rogers@ARSUN.UTAH.EDU (Alan R. Rogers) (05/26/90)
I've been trying to figure out the Cheverud-Dow-Leutenegger (CDL) method of phylogenetic autocorrelation, and am stuck. I am posting my confusion in the hope of generating a dialogue about (1) whether the problem I perceive is real or not (2) how well the method works. The aim of the method is to estimate the correlation, over several species, of two characters. This is not a trivial problem because the data points are not independent: closely related species tend to be more similar than random pairs of species. CDL develop their method in two stages, the first of which estimates the "phylogenetic constraint" involved in each character, and the second of which attempts to estimate the correlation between what are called the "specific components" of each character. It all boils down to a path analysis problem which, in simplified form, looks something like this: s1 /- S1 -------\ | X1 /---+- P2 -------/ | rS| q1 | | | | s2 rP| \- S2 -------\ | X2 \----- P2 -------/ q2 Here, Si and Pi represent the "phylogenetic" and "specific" components of Xi, and si and pi are the corresponding path coefficients. rS and rP are the correlations between specific and phylogenetic components, respectively. The equations implied by this path diagram are r = s1 s2 rS + q1 q2 rP 1 = s1^2 + q1^2 1 = s2^2 + q2^2 where r is the correlation between X1 and X2. CDL's autocorrelation method gives us the values of s1 and s2, and the 2nd and 3rd equations then tell us q1 and q2. This leaves 1 equation in two unknowns (rS and rP), which would appear to have no unique solution. Can anyone suggest where we might find an additional equation that might give this system a sensible answer? CDL, by the way, study systems with more than two variables. The problem would appear to be even worse there, since each new variable adds more parameters than it adds observable correlations. For example, adding one more variable to a system of K variables would add K observable correlations (one with each of the original variables), but 2K unobservable parameters that must be estimates (K correlations between specific values, and K between phylogenetic values). Help!! Alan Rogers INTERNET: rogers@arsun.utah.edu USMAIL : Dept. of Anthropology, Univ. of Utah, S.L.C., UT 84112 PHONE : (801) 581-5529
HXH5@PSUVM.PSU.EDU (05/26/90)
I read one of those papers once and it seemed to me that the covariance between ecology and phylogeny was (arbitrarily) added to the phylogenetic variance--then the paper concluded that phylogeny accounted for whatever it was, mating systems and dimorphism or something. I never followed up on it. Is this part of the same thing??