erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) (06/22/88)
I'm running rel 3.0 on my 3b1, and as I'm about to reinstall all
my software (long story) I was wondering if I should bother with
HoneyDanBer for my machine...
I've heard non-unix-pc'ers praise HDB, but I don't remember hearing
much from unix-pc users that use HDB..
thx in advance.
--
"It was men made her that way, Skate UNIX or go home, boogie boy...
it was us made her that way." -- from "Airhead" by Thomas Dolby
J. Eric Townsend ->uunet!nuchat!flatline!erict smail:511Parker#2,Hstn,Tx,77007
..!bellcore!tness1!/kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) (06/23/88)
In article <936@flatline.UUCP> erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes: >I was wondering if I should bother with HoneyDanBer for my machine... YES! I had as many as several crashes a day on ditka with the stock (3.51) uucp; that dropped to zero with HDB. And getting a TrailBlazer to work comfortably with the stock trash is pretty close to hell; with HDB there's no problem at all. Bottom line: beg, borrow, steal, hold Cassoni (er, whoever it is now) hostage, do whatever you have to do to get HoneyDanBer. -- Karl Swartz |UUCP {emoryu1,pacbell,decvax!formtek}!ditka!kls 1-412/937-4930 office | {pitt,psuvax1}!idis!formtek!ditka!kls |BIX kswartz "I never let my schooling get in the way of my education." (Twain)
gws@n8emr.UUCP (Gary Sanders ) (06/24/88)
In article <936@flatline.UUCP> erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes: >I was wondering if I should bother with HoneyDanBer for my machine... Yes you should bother with it, but You cant really get it.. It was available for a very short time via the STORE, and I am sure that a few folks may have picked it up then, but Now its available via the STORE and only to AT&T employee's. Its a shame that AT&T dosent let it out for the hords of people for are buying up 7300.. OH well.... -- Gary W. Sanders HAM/SWL BBS 614-457-4227 (uucp) gws@n8emr (uucp) osu-cis!n8emr!gws (packet) N8EMR @ W8CQK (cis) 72277,1325
bob@rush.cts.com (Bob Ames) (06/24/88)
In article <936@flatline.UUCP>, erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes: > > I'm running rel 3.0 on my 3b1, and as I'm about to reinstall all > my software (long story) I was wondering if I should bother with > HoneyDanBer for my machine... > > I've heard non-unix-pc'ers praise HDB, but I don't remember hearing > much from unix-pc users that use HDB.. > > J. Eric Townsend ->uunet!nuchat!flatline!erict smail:511Parker#2,Hstn,Tx,77007 Since the old version of HDB3.0 for the unix pc is in the Public Domain, I heartily recommend it. Appearently 3.5[01] and the new 3.0 HDB is not in the PD, as evidenced by the new passwords on the Store. Before I get flamed, here are my reasons for believing HDB2.0, old HDB3.0, MAILX, KSH, HACK, ROGUE, and all other software that appeared on all catalogs before 6/27/86 (when the passwords appeared) are in the Public Domain. 1. The AT&T hotline gave me access to the Store. This definately affected my decision to purchase several more unix-pcs. 2. The old version of the store, upon installation, encouraged users to redistribute store stuff, to "encourage wider distribution" [I don't remember the exact quote, but that is the jist of it]. 3. These items were available on the store. 4. At no time has there *EVER* been *ANY* message on the store stating that some software should not be downloaded because it isn't in the public domain. In fact, the store *still* encourages users to contribute software. There you have it. And *NO*, I'm not willing to re-distribute even this stuff as I'm not sure if the version I have may have been updated since these Public Domain programs were received. Putting on my asbestos suit |-) Bob Ames INET: bob@rush.cts.com Rush UNIKS PC Support Center Bell: 208-733-0931 UUCP: {cbosgd, ucsd, nosc, sun!ihnp4, hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!rush!bob "I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!" "We each pay a fabulous price - for our visions of paradise." - N Peart 1987
cks@ziebmef.uucp (Chris Siebenmann) (06/27/88)
In article <315@ditka.UUCP> kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) writes: ... >Bottom line: beg, borrow, steal, hold Cassoni (er, whoever it is now) >hostage, do whatever you have to do to get HoneyDanBer. And don't forget to tell the rest of us unforunate non-AT&T people how to get a copy too. The stock uucp sucks rocks if you try to do anything complicated with it. -- You're a prisoner of the dark sky/The propeller blades are still And the evil eye of the hurricane's/Coming in for the kill Chris Siebenmann uunet!utgpu!{ontmoh!moore,ncrcan}!ziebmef!cks cks@ziebmef.UUCP or .....!utgpu!{,ontmoh!,ncrcan!brambo!}cks
dave@galaxia.zone1.com (David H. Brierley) (06/28/88)
In article <577@n8emr.UUCP> gws@n8emr.UUCP (Gary Sanders (n8emr)) writes: >Yes you should bother with it, but You cant really get it.. It was >available for a very short time via the STORE, and I am sure that a >few folks may have picked it up then, but Now its available via the Here's a good question for you all. Suppose that I was one of those "few folks" that grabbed HDB during it's shorted-lived appearance on the STORE. Since no restrictions have ever been placed on any of the stuff that I've gotten from the STORE, am I now free to distribute copies of HDB? How about this scenario: suppose someone who had been able to download HDB set up a shell script to take all of the stuff they had gotten from the STORE and post it to unix-pc.sources. Could that person be taken to court by ATT for posting licensed software even though they received the software from ATT without any license restrictions? PLEASE NOTE: this posting should not be mis-construed as a statement to the effect that I am in possession of a copy of HDB. Do not send me messages requesting a copy of HDB. I am simply playing a game of "what if". -- David H. Brierley Home: dave@galaxia.zone1.com ...!rayssd!galaxia!dave Work: dhb@rayssd.ray.com {sun,decuac,cbosgd,gatech,necntc,ukma}!rayssd!dhb
alex@umbc3.UMD.EDU (Alex S. Crain) (06/28/88)
In article <479@galaxia.zone1.com> dave@galaxia.zone1.com (David H. Brierley) writes: >In article <577@n8emr.UUCP> gws@n8emr.UUCP (Gary Sanders (n8emr)) writes: >Here's a good question for you all. Suppose that I was one of those "few > folks" that grabbed HDB during it's shorted-lived appearance on the STORE. > [is HDB3.0 PD?] My understanding of the copyright laws is that if AT&T conciously released something without restriction, then they cannot later change their mind. This belief comes from a long description of the copyright laws that was posted to the net last year by someone who appears to know about such things. (claimed to be a lawyer, but I won't hold it against him) -- :alex. nerwin!alex@umbc3.umd.edu alex@umbc3.umd.edu