[bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts] PCR sequencing

prasher@HYATT.WHOI.EDU (Doug Prasher) (09/29/90)

Fellow Netters,

If you are directly sequencing PCR products, I need your advice.

We are trying to sequence PCR products of 400bp and 750bp in length 
and having almost no success.  We have tried changing a number of variables
none of which improve the situation.  Our M13 control reactions done
in parallel ALWAYS work.

OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS are:  0.6 pmol ds template, 6 pmol primer
(also used in PCR), boiled 10 minutes, snap frozen in liquid nitrogen.
Thawed on ice and then sequenced using Sequenase.

THE GENERAL RESULT is:  No sequence ladder (or extremely faint) but 
there is a fairly intense band in all four lanes at a position 
in the sequencing gel approximating the full-length fragment.  
On some gels, a short sequence ladder is observed just below this 
intense band, which we intrepret as termination at the end of the fragment.

We have assumed the problem results from a low concentration of the 
template-primer complex in the labelling reaction.  We believe there 
is enough nucleotide present in the labelling reaction such that
the Sequenase makes the complexes completely double-stranded before
the dideoxys are added in the termination reaction.

We have tried the following variables, individually of course,
 with no improvement:

1) 4 pmol ss template (via assymetric PCR) instead of 0.6 pmol ds template.
2) Increasing sequencing primer to 40 pmol.
3) Changing the thawing conditions: 
	i) leave on ice 90 min
	ii) place in a -20C block, let warm to 7C or 15C.
4) Dilute labelling mix: 1:5 is normal, 1:20, 1:75, 1:300.
5) Shorten labelling reaction time at RT and at 0 C.

PLEASE SEND YOUR COMMENTS.  IF REQUESTED I WILL SUMMARIZE AND REPOST.

Douglas Prasher
Woods Hole Oceanographic Inst
Woods Hole, MA

prasher@hyatt.whoi.edu

BAFM1@cluster.sussex.ac.uk (10/01/90)

In reply to Doug Prashers query RE problems with sequencing PCR products,
it is important (at least with klenow) to NOT have the buffer present
(ie. TM) during the annealing step. It is added at the sequencing reaction
stage. The presence of ss binding protein also helps. I must admit that I
prefer to reclone into M13, but direct sequencing is useful if you just want
to check a short region.
Hope this helps,
Jim Brannigan
BAFM1@UK.AC.SUSSEX.CLUSTER

MSALMINEN%FINNPHI@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (MIKA SALMINEN) (10/02/90)

As I think this is of general interest I reply to the net:

Doug,

We at @FINNPHI.BITNET do a lot of PCR-sequencing with reasonable success.
Here's our protocol in which you may find the answears you need:

1. denature 0.6-1.8 pmol of pcr product (purified) by heating 2 min at 100 C in
water.

2. snap cool on ice for 5 min.

3. add 6 pmol primer.

4. add buffer.

5. anneal primer for 10 min at +37 C

6. add enzyme, label and do the labelling for 5 min at +37 C

7. divide to extension/termination reactions and keep at +37 C

8. stop reaction (loading buffer)

There are a few more tricks:

- if your DNA is dirty (as agarose purified) use double amount of enzyme, this
countereffects the agarose inhibitory effect on enzyme activity.

- if you want to read near the primer add manganese buffer from the newest
Sequenase kit (one-tenth of total reaction volume) (Tabor et Richardson:PNAS
1989;86, 4076-4080).

We do our sequencing using the Amersham Multiwell system in a 30 mikrol
reactionvolume, but i know about people using Sequenase with similar success.

Those of you using Klenow outhere....

Forget about ancient inferior systems, T7 rules OK!

DISCLAIMER: I have none whatsoever commercial interests in Ame or USB corp:s,
just forwarding my own personal opinions which do not represent any policies
of this institute.


Hope this helps,

Mika salminen

MSALMINEN@FINNPHI (BITNET)

ldow@biosys.UUCP (Leslie Johnston-Dow) (10/03/90)

Dear Doug,
   We are doing alot of PCR sequencing.  In my own experience, 
sequencing symmetric PCR fragments can be difficult.  The things 
that have really made a difference are 1) lowering PCR primer 
amount to 5 pm each (or removing PCR primers with centicon 100) 
and 2) using Taq polymerase for sequencing and to cycle the 
sequencing reaction using a labeled sequencing primer( in our case a 
fluorescent primer).  By cycling the sequencing reaction, you will 
get a linear amplification of extension products which should give 
plenty of sequence data.  Also, with this approach you can directly 
sequence symmetric PCR fragments without any purification!  If you 
want more info just let me know....Good-luck.

Sincerely, Sandy Koepf
Applied Biosystems Inc.

I can be contacted via ldow@apldbio.com