[bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts] Digitizer for RFLP data?

marylamb@milton.u.washington.edu (Mary Lamb) (10/12/90)

A colleague in the Philippines (a former graduate student 
in our lab) sent us the following question:
   Can you recommend a digitizing setup for analyzing RFLP data, 
something like the sequencing gel reader? (We have a gel reader 
and associated software from IBI.  We have no connection with IBI, 
other than owning this equipment.)
Does anybody know of such a setup for analyzing RFLP data?  
You can reply by posting to the net or to me by e-mail 
and I'll summarize if I get replies.

Mary Lamb
Department of Zoology NJ-15
University of Washington
Seattle WA 98195
E-mail marylamb@u.washington.edu

(I'm sorry about the previous message; I was in a hurry and forgot 
to remove the formatting from the word processor.  
Haste makes waste, my grandmother always said. :-)

marylamb@milton.u.washington.edu (Mary Lamb) (10/20/90)

[I had had a request from a colleague in the Philippines for
recommendations about digitizing systems for RFLP analysis.  I
posted this request on the net and received information that I
have forwarded to her.  I don't have need for such a system at
the present time, so I haven't pursued these leads any further. 
Here is a summary, and thanks to all of those who sent
information.  I have no connection with any of the products or
companies mentioned.  Mary Lamb, Dept. of Zoology NJ-15,
University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195.]

Summary:

IntelliGenetics markets a video image acquisition system that is
dedicated to acquiring, enhancing, reading and analyzing DNA
sequencing film images to produce ASCII sequence files.  They are
now extending this system to allow it to function with
restriction fragments and RFLP applications, and they expect that
this new application will be available by the first quarter of
1991.  Such a system would cost ~$28,000 including the cost of
the computing hardware required (286 based MS-DOS system).   
(I have no connection with IntelliGenetics.)

From DEUSTACHIO@MCCLB0.MED.NYU.EDU, I received the following
interesting suggestion:
"The FBI has constructed such a system, which they use for the
analysis of their forensic human RFLP gels.  My understanding is
that is assembled from commercially available hardware and
software, and in fact that one of their considerations in
assembling the system was selection of cheap and readily
available components (since they're hoping to export it to other
police forensic labs).  I do not have a list of the components
and do not believe that such a list has been published.  The
person at the FBI Forensic Science Research and Training Center,
Quantico VA 22135 responsible for the development of the system
is Keith L. Monson, and he would be the person from whom to try
to obtain more information. (If you decide to follow up on this,
I'd be very interested in knowing the outcome.)  A discussion of
the FBI system in an FBI bulletin I have in front of me refers to
a paper by Pun et al (Electrophoresis 6:268 (1985)) as the source
at least of the basic strategy and perhaps of specific software
and components as well. "

[I did not get in touch with the FBI, but I did Xerox the paper
and send to my colleague along with the message.]

A couple of messages referred me to Native Plants, Inc. in Salt
Lake City.  They apparently use the same kind of IBI gel reader
that we have in our lab for reading sequencing gels.  (I have no
connection with Native Plants, Inc. or IBI.)

From: Francis_Ouellette@cc.sfu.ca 
I got a couple more leads:
"...We have been looking into densitometers/scanners and a couple
of the products we have looked at also do RFLP analysis.
 
One of them is from Vision System Ltd, and they are based in
Australia, (which is closer to the Philippines than we are  :-)
and they now have a rep in Vancouver.  Their Australian address
is:
 
Second Ave
Technology Park
The Levels,
South Australia
5095 Australia
tel: (08) 349-5988
fax: (08) 349-5989
 
I have not seen their system yet (they are setting up a demo at
UBC in a couple of weeks), but I have looked at a short video
clip.  . . .  It seems like an adequate system.  It has a large
database manager of RFLP that comes with it, and the system
modular, ie you can get the software/hardware you need to do what
you need.  For example you can also get the desk-top-publishing
package to make figures from your captured data, or you could
also get the densitometry software (which is different from the
RFLP software).  It appears to be a company geared toward
forensic medicine, but it is trying to get into the scientific
arena!  I am not sure of the price range, but I think it is in
the high 20K (if not low 30K) for a system with camera, light
box, 386 computer and software   The other system for which I did
see a demo, was *very* impressive for its ability to do RFLP
analysis.  It has high resolution, very impressive software to
detect and outline different band patterns and was of course also
quite expensive!  Also in the 30K range (but maybe high 30K), but
here we are not talking PCs but a SUN Spark station!  A very
impressive machine!  This is from BioImage, a software company
that was recently (past year?) bought by Millipore.   I am sorry
I don't have the address here (now!) but I sure you have a
millipore rep around there!     The prices I mentioned are for
here (in $US/$CAN ???) and are probably not too accurate, and may
vary much (in either direction) for the Philippines.   I hope the
info is useful, and I know I don't need to say it, but I will
anyway: I am not related, in any way, shape, or form to any of
the companies above.  I am just a grad student working away at
his Phd and looking at things that my supervisor drops on my
desk!"