gnu@sun.uucp (John Gilmore) (03/21/84)
I think it's really funny how the folks at U of T are loudly shouting out of one side of their mouths about how great the IBM PC is, how so much wonderful software exists for it and how the greats of the industry are all working on it. Out of the other side of their mouths comes sneaking messages desparately requesting a C compiler that can compile a program bigger than 64K without generating seriously broken code. We don't seem to have that problem in 68000-land, guys. Why not go back to the 8080, at least the compilers work. John Gilmore, Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca
perelgut@utcsrgv.UUCP (Stephen Perelgut) (03/22/84)
Response to drivel from: John Gilmore, Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca > I think it's really funny how the folks at U of T are loudly > shouting out of one side of their mouths about how great the IBM > PC is, ... Absolutely nobody from the U of T has muttered anything about how great the IBM PC is. I know because I have been the one taking the side of the PC and my argument has been simply that PC's are: - popular with the public - broken in, understood, and supported by more than one vendor - available in quantity NOW, in Canada. If John wishes to misinterpret that to mean great, I wonder how he handles praise. I read that as "only valid alternative". > Out of the other side of their mouths comes sneaking messages > desparately requesting a C compiler that can compile a program bigger > than 64K without generating seriously broken code. If you had to work with an 8088, wouldn't you want to at least have working tools. I know WE would produce working software and we expect the same. Sorry that this somehow offends you John. -- Stephen Perelgut Computer Systems Research Group University of Toronto Usenet: {linus, ihnp4, allegra, decvax, floyd}!utcsrgv!perelgut CSNET: perelgut@Toronto
wjr@rayssd.UUCP (03/23/84)
What about the PRONTO with the 80186?
perelgut@utcsrgv.UUCP (Stephen Perelgut) (05/11/84)
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I responded to this the first time it appeared but, due to the
slanderous (libelous?) nature, I feel I should respond briefly
to this quirky reappearance.
The 8088 is a wonderful machine mainly because it is available,
in quantity, with a standard OS, from multiple vendors, NOW!
The SUN is very very very slow in arriving. Ours still hasn't
arrived and won't for at least a month. It hasn't even been
shipped. And I think the order just passed its 6-month birthday!
We'd develop for your machine but we don't have one. Thank G-D I
didn't decide to develop the summer course based on it. The MAC
is still not available in quantity, development must take place
on another and different machine, and there isn't enough information
about it or its OS in the public domain.
Once again, the U of T is very happy with the decision to go with
8088 based pc's for the short-term. When other chips catch up in
availability (need 100's on short order sometimes) and when they
appear from multiple vendors in compatible configurations, then we'll
be ready!
P.S. If there is enough interest, I will post a summary of the
summer prototype teaching laboratory results in August.
P.P.S. Anyone waiting for Turing documentation should mail us. There
was a backlog due to an unexpected demand for the reports but that
should be clear. If you haven't received a requested copy then
mail me or Phyllis Eve Bregman (utcsrgv!phyllis). You got lost in UUCP.
--
Stephen Perelgut
Computer Systems Research Group University of Toronto
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