[net.micro] 80286 benchmarks and other Intel libel

phil@amd70.UUCP (Phil Ngai) (04/28/84)

>>> Sometimes I think Intel plays numbers games to hide their brain-damaged
>>> architectures.

>> Sometimes?

>Nope, must be all the time.  I was part of a group doing a design for a hi-
>availability machine based on the 432.  We had lived through all the lies in
>the 432 specs, and then the degradations of the spec, and we actually had a 
>proto partly running.  And then Intel jerked the 432.  No w the guy on the
>other side of the wall is doing something using the 80186.  I wish him the
>best of luck - he'll need it.  286?  Eek, I'm gun-shy.  Don't walk up to
>me and say "Intel" - I won't be responsible for the reaction!

>Cheers,
>Dick Binder
>decvax!decwrl!rhea!dosadi!binder

Of course, DEC never cancels any projects. DEC-20? There never was a DEC-20,
it was all in your imagination.

Mr. Binder, I am sure it feels good to take out your frustrations against
Intel but I think this network has a better use than to say nasty things
about other people. The flames I've been seeing lately seem to consist
of more heat than light, which we can do without. To attack Intel, for
example, for dropping a project, is obviously unfair when other companies
like Digital do so too. Not to say that we should never say anything
bad about anyone, but it feels to me like people are just gratuitously
getting their digs in.

-- 
Phil Ngai (408) 988-7777 {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra,intelca}!amd70!phil

phil@amd70.UUCP (Phil Ngai) (05/10/84)

> From:     Ricky Ewing <Ewing@YALE.ARPA>
> There never was a DEC-20? What does that mean? How does it relate to your
> argument for Intel?

The referenced article was in response to an article by someone out of DEC
complaining that the 432 had been cancelled. I thought that was hypocritical
since DEC has killed their 36 bit computer line in favor of the VAX line.
I claim that a company has a right to stop doing anything that's unprofitable
for them. Sorry if I was being too subtle.

I'm not arguing so much for Intel as I am for rational arguments.
-- 
Phil Ngai (408) 749-5286 {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra,intelca}!amd70!phil

henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (05/13/84)

My understanding was that Dec didn't suddenly stop manufacturing 20's,
they merely decided not to pursue further development of the line.
This is different from ceasing to supply a product you've been praising
to the skies and which your customers have come to rely on.

Dec probably isn't pursuing further development on the PDP8 either, but
they're still building them for people who want them.
-- 
				Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
				{allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry