daemon@ig.UUCP (11/06/87)
From: roy%phri@uunet.UU.NET (Roy Smith) In article <3911@ig.ig.com> you write: > Let me emphasize once again that to use these two protocols one must > have access to a workstation, mini, or mainframe computer locally. To > the best of my knowledge, PC's, Mac's, etc., do not possess this kind > of networking capability (yet). Not 100% true. Using an AppleTalk/Ethernet bridge box made by Kinetics (FastPath, aka KFPS-n, n=[123]) and Telnet from NCSA (National Center for Supercomputing Activities, or something like that; they are at U. Ill. Urbana-Champaign), you can run telnet from a Mac, and ftp as well (although, for some reason I havn't yet figured out, you can't initiate an ftp connection from the Mac; you have to telnet to the host you want and then run ftp back to the Mac). We use it all the time and love it. The telnet part provides a pretty decent vt-100 and Tek-401X emulation. Of course, just running telnet on the Mac on your desk isn't going to help you much unless you're linked into a larger network with IP connections to the outside world. To the best of my knowledge, you can't (yet) buy an IMP interface card for a slotted Mac. :-) ---------------- [Note: I'm still not sure of the mechanics of the Bionet/usenet gateway. Do messages get bi-directionally gatewayed (i.e. is the proper procedure simply to post to bionet.whatever, or is there a mailing-list moderator to whom I should send submissions)? At any rate, please forward the part above this note to the BBoard/newsgroup.] -- Roy Smith, {allegra,cmcl2,philabs}!phri!roy System Administrator, Public Health Research Institute 455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016
daemon@ig.UUCP (11/06/87)
From: David Kristofferson <KRISTOFFERSON@BIONET-20.ARPA> In article <3911@ig.ig.com> you write: > Let me emphasize once again that to use these two protocols one must > have access to a workstation, mini, or mainframe computer locally. To > the best of my knowledge, PC's, Mac's, etc., do not possess this kind > of networking capability (yet). Not 100% true. Using an AppleTalk/Ethernet bridge box made by Kinetics (FastPath, aka KFPS-n, n=[123]) and Telnet from NCSA (National Center for Supercomputing Activities, or something like that; they are at U. Ill. Urbana-Champaign), you can run telnet from a Mac, and ftp as well (although, for some reason I havn't yet figured out, you can't initiate an ftp connection from the Mac; you have to telnet to the host you want and then run ftp back to the Mac). We use it all the time and love it. The telnet part provides a pretty decent vt-100 and Tek-401X emulation. Of course, just running telnet on the Mac on your desk isn't going to help you much unless you're linked into a larger network with IP connections to the outside world. To the best of my knowledge, you can't (yet) buy an IMP interface card for a slotted Mac. :-) ---------------- [Note: I'm still not sure of the mechanics of the Bionet/usenet gateway. Do messages get bi-directionally gatewayed (i.e. is the proper procedure simply to post to bionet.whatever, or is there a mailing-list moderator to whom I should send submissions)? At any rate, please forward the part above this note to the BBoard/newsgroup.] -- Roy Smith, {allegra,cmcl2,philabs}!phri!roy System Administrator, Public Health Research Institute 455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Roy, I've passed along the whole of your message since the USENET question is also of general interest. Thanks for the information about the Mac. I had in mind Sun workstations which have come down in price to the original IBM PC-AT range and offer all these features plus 1152x900 resolution graphics, multi-tasking (i.e., the ability to run several database searches simultaneously on your desktop!), 141 megabytes of disk storage, etc. Biologists are just beginning to learn about the workstation environment and I think that people will discover soon that there is a lot more to offer than the Mac can currently handle. The Mac II is getting into the workstation range and will eventually have these features too, but workstations have them now,they are tested and are known to work, and I'm >95% sure that they are standard features, not add-ons from a variety of suppliers. Rob Liebschutz is our systems programmer here who set up the USENET newsgroups. My understanding (and I'm about 98% certain on this) is that messages are "bi-directionally gatewayed" so that posting to the appropriate USENET news group will also result in distribution to ARPANET and BITNET readers. However, I will cc Rob on this so that he can correct me if I am in error. Thanks again for your input. We have been devoting a lot of time and effort over the last 10 months to get the bboard systems up and running and I'm glad to see people from outside BIONET starting to participate. We have been receiving a fair amount of traffic on our EMPLOYMENT bboard lately in particular. Users should be aware that they can post any job openings (or requests for employment) to employment@bionet-20.arpa (ARPANET or BITNET) or bionet.jobs on USENET. As with the rest of the bboards, there is no charge for the service. Sincerely, Dave Kristofferson BIONET Resource Manager ARPANET Address: kristofferson@bionet-20.arpa BITNET Address: kristofferson%bionet-20.arpa@wiscvm.bitnet -------