wchutt@monsanto.com (12/24/90)
I am interested in obtaining a program for managing literature citations. This program must be compatible with SUN Microsystems computers. If anyone is aware of such a program please contact me by E-mail. #! rnews 377 Path: monsanto.com!wchutt From: wchutt@monsanto.com Newsgroups: sci.chem Subject: data base Message-ID: <1990Dec24.124126.3050@monsanto.com> Date: 24 Dec 90 12:41:26 -7 Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO Lines: 2 Does anyone know if a Sun Microsystems compatible computer program exists for tracking literature references and compliling a bibliographic data base? #! rnews 1946 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles P. Mok) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 22:20:09 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:40 GMT Subject: Re: Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t??? Message-ID: <1990Dec18.222547.17877@pa.dec.com> Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!pa.dec.com!fortsc.enet.dec.com!mok Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp Sender: news@pa.dec.com (News) Lines: 30 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:253 comp.sys.apollo:2102 comp.sys.hp:2002 In article <1990Dec18.144236.15864@ccad.uiowa.edu>, timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) writes... >I am interested in obtaining benchmark information for HP 9000/425t >workstations (if any of the '040 machines are actually out there :-). >SPECmarks would be of most interest as I can compare these with info >from other vendors. If you have other benchmarks I would be interested >in seeing results for it on other workstations so I have a basis for >comparision. I do NOT need MIPS or MFLOPS ratings, I have these. I guess a lot of people are interested in seeing those SPECmarks and comparing them too, including myself. Unfortunately HP for some reason has not been releasing any of those numbers despite the fact that they are a member supporting SPEC's unified benchmarking effort. Interesting indeed. If you can find any of those numbers tested, please let me know too! Charles >-- >Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu >Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research >University of Iowa 228 ERF >Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242 --- Charles Mok/Digital Equipment Corporation INTERNET: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com UUCP: ....!decwrl!fortsc.dec.enet.com!mok --- #! rnews 919 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:57:12 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:42 GMT Subject: Re: 040 NeXT (was:Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t???) Message-ID: <F+gp#&x3@cs.psu.edu> Organization: Penn State Computer Science Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!news Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec18.222547.17877@pa.dec.com> Sender: news@cs.psu.edu (Usenet) Lines: 5 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:254 comp.sys.apollo:2105 comp.sys.hp:2003 In-Reply-To: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com's message of 18 Dec 90 22:20:09 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: client6.cs.psu.edu How about SpecMarks for the 68040 NeXT? They have been shipping for a week or two. Is the personal workstation a reality? -Mike #! rnews 1965 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles P. Mok) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 22:20:09 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:42 GMT Subject: Re: Re: 040 NeXT (was:Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t???) Message-ID: <1990Dec18.222547.17877@pa.dec.com> Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!pa.dec.com!fortsc.enet.dec.com!mok Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp Sender: news@pa.dec.com (News) Lines: 30 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:253 comp.sys.apollo:2102 comp.sys.hp:2002 In article <1990Dec18.144236.15864@ccad.uiowa.edu>, timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) writes... >I am interested in obtaining benchmark information for HP 9000/425t >workstations (if any of the '040 machines are actually out there :-). >SPECmarks would be of most interest as I can compare these with info >from other vendors. If you have other benchmarks I would be interested >in seeing results for it on other workstations so I have a basis for >comparision. I do NOT need MIPS or MFLOPS ratings, I have these. I guess a lot of people are interested in seeing those SPECmarks and comparing them too, including myself. Unfortunately HP for some reason has not been releasing any of those numbers despite the fact that they are a member supporting SPEC's unified benchmarking effort. Interesting indeed. If you can find any of those numbers tested, please let me know too! Charles >-- >Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu >Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research >University of Iowa 228 ERF >Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242 --- Charles Mok/Digital Equipment Corporation INTERNET: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com UUCP: ....!decwrl!fortsc.dec.enet.com!mok --- #! rnews 1946 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles P. Mok) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 22:20:09 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:40 GMT Subject: Re: Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t??? Message-ID: <1990Dec18.222547.17877@pa.dec.com> Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!pa.dec.com!fortsc.enet.dec.com!mok Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp Sender: news@pa.dec.com (News) Lines: 30 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:253 comp.sys.apollo:2102 comp.sys.hp:2002 In article <1990Dec18.144236.15864@ccad.uiowa.edu>, timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) writes... >I am interested in obtaining benchmark information for HP 9000/425t >workstations (if any of the '040 machines are actually out there :-). >SPECmarks would be of most interest as I can compare these with info >from other vendors. If you have other benchmarks I would be interested >in seeing results for it on other workstations so I have a basis for >comparision. I do NOT need MIPS or MFLOPS ratings, I have these. I guess a lot of people are interested in seeing those SPECmarks and comparing them too, including myself. Unfortunately HP for some reason has not been releasing any of those numbers despite the fact that they are a member supporting SPEC's unified benchmarking effort. Interesting indeed. If you can find any of those numbers tested, please let me know too! Charles >-- >Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu >Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research >University of Iowa 228 ERF >Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242 --- Charles Mok/Digital Equipment Corporation INTERNET: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com UUCP: ....!decwrl!fortsc.dec.enet.com!mok --- #! rnews 919 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:57:12 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:42 GMT Subject: Re: 040 NeXT (was:Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t???) Message-ID: <F+gp#&x3@cs.psu.edu> Organization: Penn State Computer Science Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!news Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec18.222547.17877@pa.dec.com> Sender: news@cs.psu.edu (Usenet) Lines: 5 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:254 comp.sys.apollo:2105 comp.sys.hp:2003 In-Reply-To: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com's message of 18 Dec 90 22:20:09 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: client6.cs.psu.edu How about SpecMarks for the 68040 NeXT? They have been shipping for a week or two. Is the personal workstation a reality? -Mike #! rnews 1965 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles P. Mok) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 22:20:09 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:42 GMT Subject: Re: Re: 040 NeXT (was:Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t???) Message-ID: <1990Dec18.222547.17877@pa.dec.com> Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!pa.dec.com!fortsc.enet.dec.com!mok Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp Sender: news@pa.dec.com (News) Lines: 30 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:253 comp.sys.apollo:2102 comp.sys.hp:2002 In article <1990Dec18.144236.15864@ccad.uiowa.edu>, timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) writes... >I am interested in obtaining benchmark information for HP 9000/425t >workstations (if any of the '040 machines are actually out there :-). >SPECmarks would be of most interest as I can compare these with info >from other vendors. If you have other benchmarks I would be interested >in seeing results for it on other workstations so I have a basis for >comparision. I do NOT need MIPS or MFLOPS ratings, I have these. I guess a lot of people are interested in seeing those SPECmarks and comparing them too, including myself. Unfortunately HP for some reason has not been releasing any of those numbers despite the fact that they are a member supporting SPEC's unified benchmarking effort. Interesting indeed. If you can find any of those numbers tested, please let me know too! Charles >-- >Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu >Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research >University of Iowa 228 ERF >Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242 --- Charles Mok/Digital Equipment Corporation INTERNET: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com UUCP: ....!decwrl!fortsc.dec.enet.com!mok --- #! rnews 2303 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: daver@ECE.ORST.EDU (Dave Rabinowitz) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 01:53:22 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:46 GMT Subject: Re: Burned-out infrared printer Message-ID: <1990Dec19.015322.16037@usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU> Organization: Oregon State University -- Electrical & Computer Engineering Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!agate!bionet!uwm.edu!ogicse!orstcs!usenet!ECE.ORST.EDU!daver Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <4491@altos86.Altos.COM> Sender: @usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU Keywords: HP infrared thermal printer, smoke, fire, warranty Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: ece.orst.edu In article <4491@altos86.Altos.COM> steve@altos.com (Steve Scherf) writes: >and print and never have to replace a ribbon or ink cartridge. Then one >day (when it was a mere two weeks old) I turned it on, and POOF! A little >column of smoke rose from the area of the printing head. When it attempted >to print what I had sent to it, it just made a bunch of black streaks on the >paper. The spot on the paper where the head had been at rest had a hole burned >through, and the rubber platen behind it had melted. That head must have >gotten really hot to do that. The bubbled and warped plastic on the head >itself was testimony to that. The head normally operates on a very low duty cycle (it's pulsed on for a very short time and then remains off until the next column). If a dot is left on for more than a few seconds it will self-destruct (it gets really hot). The CPU runs directly off the batteries and if the battery voltage dropped low enough to lock up the CPU while a dot was on the dot would be dead, so there is a low-voltage detector which resets the CPU (clearing the dot outputs) before the voltage gets low enough to cause a problem. In your case it sounds like there was a short in one of the inputs to the head driver (a separate current driver chip plus a transistor for the eighth dot - the driver chip was designed for the 7-row non-graphics printer version) was shorted to a value which caused it to be permanently on. Since it didn't happen until after you had the printer and had used it successfully it might have been caused by a scrap of metal which somehow got into the unit. #! rnews 1772 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: TDSTRONG%MTUS5.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Tim Strong) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 16:27:05 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:48 GMT Subject: Re: Units problem.... Message-ID: <04699C2C60001D6E@gacvx2.gac.edu> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 30 To: handhelds@gac.edu Return-path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:TDSTRONG@MTUS5.BITNET> In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 18 Dec 1990 02:45 CST To: handhelds@gac.edu On Tue, 18 Dec 1990 02:45 CST >...The above are all correct. However, here is where things start getting >weird: > > > UBASE: 1_C^.5 = 1_A*s <-- 1_C^.5 == 1_C ?!?!?! > 1_F^.5 = 1_A*s^2/(kg*m) <-- why no SQROOT() for kg? > 1_V^.5 = 1_kg*m/(A*s^2) <-- why no SQROOT() for kg? > why no SQROOT() for A? > why (s^3)^.5 == s^2 ? >... > >kamido@zip.eecs.umich.edu >-- I believe quite som time ago it was mentioned that the HP48SX cannot handle fractional exponents in the units correctly. It just something that wasn't built in to the calculator. At least I believe thats how the discussion went. At the time I believe someone posted a work around technique. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy perhaps someone else does and will post it. Any takers? ====================================================================== ___ :__) _ _: _ _ TIM STRONG <TDSTRONG@MTUS5.BITNET> : \ (_: (_: (_: : Michigan Technological University ====================================================================== #! rnews 7058 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: austern@ux5.lbl.gov (Matt Austern) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 18:13:28 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:48 GMT Subject: Bulirsch-Stoer integration on the HP 48 (Part 1 of 2) Message-ID: <8668@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (theoretical physics group) Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!ucsd!dog.ee.lbl.gov!usenet Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: usenet@dog.ee.lbl.gov Reply-To: austern@ux5.lbl.gov (Matt Austern) Keywords: Bulirsch-Stoer, differential equations Lines: 142 Summary: Documentation, description, and examples. X-Local-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 10:13:28 PST I have written a program for the hp 48 which solves systems of differential equations using the Bulirsch-Stoer algorithm. This posting is a description of the program, and the next posting is the code itself. SUMMARY OF THE METHOD If you look at the code, it will immediately be apparent that this algorithm is immensely more complicated than, say, Runge-Kutta. Although this complexity makes a single step rather slow, the advantage of Bulirsch-Stoer is that it is often possible to choose extremely large step sizes while maintaining reasonable accuracy. The Bulirsch-Stoer algorithm is described in Numerical Recipes, by Press, Flannery, Teukolsky, and Vettering. (If you do any numerical work and you don't already have a copy of that book, by the way, you should get one.) I'll give a brief summary, just so that this program won't be completely a black box. If you have a system of equations of the form y' = f(x, y), where y and y' are in general vectors, and the initial conditions (x0, y0), then the problem is to find y(x1) for some x1. (Normally, we require x1 - x0 to be small; here, we make no such requirement.) Define H = x1 - x0. We divide H into n subintervals, and then use n iterations of a simple first-order method (specifically, the modified midpoint method) to find y(x1). Define this value to be y(x1, h), where h = H/n. The Bulirsch-Stoer algorithm is to compute y(x1, h) for several different values of h, and then extrapolate down to h=0. The extrapolation algorithm provides an estimate of its accuracy; when this accuracy is good enough, we return the answer. Convergence is somewhat quicker than might be expected; it turns out that y(x1, h) contains only even powers of h, so the extrapolation is actually in h^2. This algorithm can occasionally fail. The rational function extrapolation might encounter a pole, in which case there's nothing to do but quit. The program checks for this failure, so that at least there won't be a mysterious blowup. (This is rare, but it happened to me once. The solution is to use a different extrapolation procedure in those cases. If I get energetic, I may implement polynomial extrapolation for the 48sx as a fallback.) It is also conceivable that the step size will have to be reduced so far that x+h will be indistinguishable from x. I have never seen this happen (my guess is that it would only happen when you're close to some singular point in the solution of the differential equation, or when you have a system of equations which vary on very different scales), but there is code to check for that too. THE PROGRAM: There are actually four programs here: EXTRAP, NDESTEP, DESTEP1, and DE. (There are also two objects that are intended for internal use. They are named in lowercase.) EXTRAP is the extrapolation routine. It takes two arguments, both lists. Level 2 contains a list of x values, and level 1 a list of y values. EXTRAP returns two values: in level 2 it returns y(0), and in level 1 an estimate of the error in that prediction. (EXTRAP, incidentally, is where most of the time gets spent. I've tried to make the code in its inner loop efficient, but I'd welcome any suggestions for speeding it up.) DESTEP1 solves a single first-order differential equation. It takes five arguments. In order, level 5 to level 1, they are: ydot, tolerance, stepsize, x, y. ydot is a function: it takes x and y (on the stack, in that order) and returns y'(x, y). Tolerance is the required accuracy (i.e., if Delta-y is the error, then we demand Delta-y / y < tolerance), and stepsize, x, and y are self-explanatory. DESTEP1 returns the same information, to make it convenient to take another step. ydot and tolerance are left unchanged on the stack; the new step size is that recommended by the algorithm (you don't have to follow the recommendation, of course!); and x and y are the new values. (Note: if you are too greedy with your step size and your tolerance, DESTEP1 might have to choose a smaller step than you asked for. If so, x will be incremented by the step actually used. This is slightly unusual, though: Bulirsch-Stoer can handle most reasonable requests.) NDESTEP is just the same, except that y is a vector, and ydot must take a vectorial y as an argument and return a vectorial ydot as a result. (Most of the code in NDESTEP, actually, is identical to that in DESTEP1. Merging them would be quite easy if you want to conserve memory.) DE is intended for interactive use; it's essentially just a cosmetic shell for NDESTEP and DESTEP1. It takes and returns only four arguments: tolerance is taken from the display format. (In STD format, it uses a tolerance of 0.0001.) It chooses to call NDESTEP or DESTEP1, depending on the type of argument given. It returns x and y as tagged objects; if the user provided tags then those tags are preserved, otherwise it uses the rather unimaginative labels "x" and "y". Finally, NDESTEP and DESTEP1 use user flags; DE saves and restores the old values. EXAMPLE PROBLEM: Solve the equation x^2 y''(x) + x y'(x) + x^2 y(x) = 0, subject to the initial conditions y(0) = 1, y'(0) = 0. Specifically, find y(5). Solution: This is equivalent to the system y1' = - y1/x - y y' = y1, with y(0) = 1, y'(0) = 0. Put the following four entries on the stack: \<< OBJ\-> DROP \-> x y1 y \<< IF x 0 == THEN y NEG ELSE y1 x / y + NEG END y1 2 \->ARRY \>> \>> 5 0 [0 1] Then, with the display mode set to 3 FIX, hit DE. After 67 seconds, I get the result that y(5) = -0.178, and y'(5) = 0.328. In fact, the solution to this equation is a Bessel function, J0(x). The tabulated answer is J0(5) = -0.177597, and J0'(5) = -J1(5) = 0.327579. 67 seconds is a long time, but we were able to span the entire interval from 0 to 5 in a single step, and still get three digits of accuracy. Enjoy! There are obviously better tools than the HP 48 for serious numerical calculations, but it's very convenient to have a quick way of playing with a differential equation. -- Matthew Austern austern@lbl.bitnet Proverbs for paranoids, 3: If (415) 644-2618 austern@ux5.lbl.gov they can get you asking the wrong austern@lbl.gov questions, they don't have to worry about answers. #! rnews 13791 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: austern@ux5.lbl.gov (Matt Austern) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 18:15:24 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:48 GMT Subject: Bulirsch-Stoer integration on the HP 48 (Part 2 of 2) Message-ID: <8670@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (theoretical physics group) Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!dog.ee.lbl.gov!usenet Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: usenet@dog.ee.lbl.gov Reply-To: austern@ux5.lbl.gov (Matt Austern) Keywords: Bulirsch-Stoer, differential equations Lines: 326 Summary: Code for integration of differential equations. X-Local-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 10:15:24 PST The values returned by BYTES are #60761d and 3026.5. ************************* CUT BELOW THIS LINE ************************* %%HP: T(3)A(R)F(.); DIR @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ DE takes 4 args: ydot, step, x0, y0. ydot is a function that computes @ the derivative of y; it must take x and y on the stack (x in level 2, y @ in level 1), and return y in level 1 of the stack. Step is the step size @ that the user requests, and x0 and y0 are the initial conditions. @ It returns the same four pieces of information, in the same positions @ on the stack: the function ydot (unchanged), a recommendation for the @ size of the next step, and the new values of x and y. Normally, the @ new x will be x0 + step, but occasionally it will be necessary to @ take a smaller step than the user requested. @ x and y will always be returned as tagged objects. The user may provide @ tags; otherwise, the tags will be "x" and "y". @ DE \<< IF -49 FC? -50 FC? AND @ Start by getting precision from display. THEN 4 @ Use 4 digits as default, if in STD mode. ELSE 0 0 3 FOR I 2 * -48 I + FS? + NEXT END NEG ALOG @ Convert 3 digits, for example, to 10^-3. RCLF @ Store flags, since program uses them. \-> ydot step x0 y0 tol flags \<< IF x0 TYPE 12 == @ Result will be displayed as a tagged THEN x0 OBJ\-> SWAP @ object. If user has provided a tag, ELSE "x" x0 @ use it; otherwise, use "x" as default. END IF y0 TYPE 12 == @ Now do the same for y. THEN y0 OBJ\-> SWAP ELSE "y" y0 END \-> xt x yt y \<< ydot tol step x y IF y TYPE DUP 0 == SWAP 1 == OR THEN DESTEP1 @ Call DESTEP1 if y is a real or complex ELSE NDESTEP @ number, or NDESTEP otherwise. It is END @ assumed that if y isn't a number it is @ a vector; if user puts in something @ weird, program will bomb. yt \->TAG SWAP @ Tag the new y value. xt \->TAG SWAP @ Tag the new x value. 4 ROLL DROP @ Get rid of the tolerance that is returned. flags STOF @ Restore old flag settings. \>> \>> \>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ @ DESTEP1 takes 5 arguments: ydot, tolerance, stepsize, x, y. These @ arguments mean the same thing here as with DE; we're just adding @ tolerance. This is the maximum fractional error permitted in the @ result; i.e., we must have (Delta y) / y < tolerance. (That's not @ quite the way I write the test, though; y == 0.0 may be rare, but it has @ been known to happen.) DESTEP1 \<< { } { } 0 \-> ydot tol step x y htab ytab iter @ ydot, tol, step, x, and y are the arguments, @ and are documented above. htab is a table @ of the subintervals used, and ytab is a @ table of the result for each choice of @ number of subdivisions. \<< 20 CF @ Clear flag 20 to indicate that no @ extrapolation has converged yet. WHILE 20 FC? iter 15 < AND @ Loop until an extrapolation converges, or REPEAT @ until we have done too many iterations. divisions 'iter' INCR GET @ Find number of subdivisions for this DUP step SWAP / @ iterations, and then find the size h of IF DUP x + x == @ each subdivision. Check to make sure THEN @ that it isn't so small that x+h = h. DROP2 @ If it is, then clean up the stack and "Stepsize underflow" @ signal an error. DOERR END DUP x y ydot EVAL * y + @ If N is the number of subdivisions, y x 4 PICK + 3 ROLL 4 ROLL @ we will now do N iterations of the \-> h @ modified midpoint method. Most of \<< 4 ROLL 1 - @ this is done on the stack, but what's 1 SWAP FOR n @ going on is the recursion relation DUP2 ydot EVAL h * @ <next y> = <last y> + 2*h*y'(x, y) 2 * 4 PICK + 4 ROLL @ <next x> = x + h, DROP 3 ROLL h + @ where <last y> is saved from before SWAP @ the current iteration and where y @ represents y at the current iteration. NEXT @ The last iteration is a bit different: DUP2 ydot EVAL h * @ <new y> = 0.5*(y + <last y> @ + h * y'(x + h, y)). + SWAP DROP + .5 * @ Store this is table of y values by 1 \->LIST 'ytab' STO+ @ prepending it to the list. h SQ 1 \->LIST 'htab' STO+ @ Store current value of h^2 the same way. @ (Isn't it neat that STO+ works with lists?) \>> IF iter 1 \=/ @ Now do an extrapolation with our values of THEN @ h^2 and y(x+step, h^2). We can't @ extrapolate with a single point, though! htab 1 6 SUB @ Only use the most recent 6 values; adding ytab 1 6 SUB @ older ones isn't very helpful. (Why 6? EXTRAP @ Folklore. You can try other values.) IF OVER ABS tol * < @ Is the error in this extrapolation small THEN 20 SF @ enough? If so, set flg 20 to mark success. ELSE DROP @ If not, get rid of the extrapolated y value END @ on the stack, and go to another iteration. END END IF 20 FS? @ Did we get convergence? If so, choose a THEN @ new step size and return. The criterion @ for choosing a new step size is that we @ want the 6th extrapolation to converge. @ If it took more, then shrink the step size; @ if it took fewer, then expand it. If we're @ at exactly 6 or 7, expand or shrink @ slightly. (Why 6? Folklore. Experiment @ with different values if you like.) CASE iter 6 == THEN 1.2 END iter 7 == THEN .95 END 16 divisions iter GET / END step * SWAP x step + @ Now put the stack in the right order SWAP tol 4 ROLLD @ so that arguments are returned the ydot 5 ROLLD @ same way as they were given. ELSE @ If control got to here, then the step @ size that was requested was too large. @ Shrink it by a large factor and try again @ recursively. ydot tol step 250 / x y DESTEP1 END \>> \>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ @ Arguments for NDESTEP are exactly the same as for DESTEP1, except that y @ is a vector instead of a number. Similarly, of course, the function ydot @ must accept arguments of x and y, with y a vector, and must return a @ vector. There is no error checking for correct dimensionality. @ @ The meaning of tolerance is also slightly different. This is the @ maximum fractional error for *any* of the components of y. This @ could therefore introduce large inefficiencies if you're trying to @ solve a system of equations that vary on very different length @ scales. @ @ I'm not going to bother to comment this. The code here is identical @ to DESTEP1, since + and * can take vectorial arguments, except for @ the part that does the extrapolation and checks it for convergence. @ All the hard work is done in the function lextrap, which I did comment; if @ you read that, it should be completely clear what's happening in NDESTEP. @ NDESTEP \<< { } { } 0 \-> ydot tol step x y htab ytab iter \<< 20 CF WHILE 20 FC? iter 15 < AND REPEAT divisions 'iter' INCR GET DUP step SWAP / IF DUP x + x == THEN DROP2 "Stepsize underflow" DOERR END DUP x y ydot EVAL * y + y x 4 PICK + 3 ROLL 4 ROLL \-> h \<< 4 ROLL 1 - 1 SWAP FOR n DUP2 ydot EVAL h * 2 * 4 PICK + 4 ROLL DROP 3 ROLL h + SWAP NEXT DUP2 ydot EVAL h * + SWAP DROP + .5 * 1 \->LIST 'ytab' STO+ h SQ 1 \->LIST 'htab' STO+ \>> IF iter 1 \=/ THEN htab 1 6 SUB ytab 1 6 SUB tol IF lextrap THEN 20 SF END END END IF 20 FS? THEN CASE iter 6 == THEN 1.2 END iter 7 == THEN .95 END 16 divisions iter GET / END step * SWAP x step + SWAP tol 4 ROLLD ydot 5 ROLLD ELSE ydot tol step 250 / x y NDESTEP END \>> \>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ @ EXTRAP takes two arguments: x, y. Both are lists. Returns two @ numbers: y(0) and y_err. y(0) is the value of y extrapolated to x=0, @ and y_err is an estimate of the error. @ EXTRAP \<< DUP DUP2 SIZE DUP 3 PICK SWAP GET \-> X Y C D N RES @ C and D are temporary variables (lists), @ used in a recursion relation. N is the @ number of entries, and RES will be the @ final result. \<< 1 N 1 - FOR COL @ Loop over "columns" in a 2-d tableux. 1 N COL - FOR I @ Loop over entries in the current column. D I GET C I 1 + GET @ What we are doing here is computing the \-> DI CI1 @ values C and D will have in the next @ column. We only use one element of C and @ one of D at a time, so squirrel them away @ to save time. \<< X I GET @ The recursion relation is X I COL + GET / @ (x(i)/x(i+col))*D(i)*(C(i+1)-D(i)) DUP DI * CI1 - @ C'(i) = ---------------------------------- CI1 DI - DUP @ (x(i)/x(i+col)) * D(i) - C(i+1) CI1 * SWAP DI * @ 4 ROLL * ROT @ C(i+1) * (C(i+1) - D(i)) @ D'(i) = -------------------------------- . @ (x(i)/x(i+col)) * D(i) - C(i+1) @ IF DUP 0 == @ This algorithm occasionally fails; check THEN @ for division by 0 which would signal that. 3 DROPN X Y "Extrapolation failed" DOERR END DUP ROT SWAP / 'C' I ROT PUT @ Store new values of C and D. / 'D' I ROT PUT \>> NEXT 'RES' @ The final result is given by D N COL - GET @ the sum of D(N - col) for all col. STO+ @ This in, in fact, only one possible choice; @ any of several sums over C or D will work. NEXT RES D 1 GET ABS @ The last correction to the result is our \>> @ error estimate. \>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ @ divisions is a vector containing the number of subintervals to use @ in successive iterations. There are 15 elements here; this is the @ maximum number of iterations that we will use. The numbers here are @ from Numerical Recipes, and have no theoretical basis. Once again, they @ are folklore; changing them will reduce or increase efficiency, but @ won't give you wrong answers. divisions [ 2 4 6 8 12 16 24 32 48 64 96 128 192 256 384 ] @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ @ lextrap is an internal function used by NDESTEP. Arguments are x, y, @ tol. x is a list of numbers, y is a list of vectors, and tol is the @ maximum error permitted. Extrapolates list of vectors to x=0, and @ returns 1 in level 1 of the stack if extrapolation has sufficiently @ small error, 0 if not. If the extrapolation succeeded, returns y(0) @ in level 2, otherwise returns nothing but the 0 to signify failure. @ lextrap \<< OVER DUP SIZE SWAP 1 GET SIZE 1 GET 0 \-> xl yl tol N n comp @ xl is list of x values, yl is list of y @ values, each of which is a vector. @ N is number of elements in the lists, and @ n is number of elements in each y vector. @ comp is an iteration variable: which @ component of y vector are we looking at? \<< 21 SF @ No extrapolations have failed. WHILE 21 FS? @ Quit when an extrapolation fails, or when comp n < @ all extrapolations are done successfully. AND REPEAT xl 'comp' INCR @ Look at the next component. 1 N FOR i yl i GET @ Put the current component of all the OVER GET SWAP @ y values on the stack, NEXT @ ... DROP @ ... N \->LIST @ and assemble them into a list. EXTRAP @ Now do an extrapolation with this list. IF OVER ABS tol * > THEN @ If this extrapolation didn't converge, then comp DROPN @ clean up the stack, and clear flag 21 to 21 CF @ signal failure. 0 END END IF 21 FS? @ If we're done with this loop, and flag 21 THEN n \->ARRY 1 @ is still set, then all extrapolations have END @ succeeded. The results are on the stack; \>> @ turn them into a list. \>> END ************************* CUT ABOVE THIS LINE ************************* -- Matthew Austern austern@lbl.bitnet Proverbs for paranoids, 3: If (415) 644-2618 austern@ux5.lbl.gov they can get you asking the wrong austern@lbl.gov questions, they don't have to worry about answers. #! rnews 1088 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: jfa0522@hertz.njit.edu (andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 18:29:38 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:49 GMT Subject: Equation Card Offer Message-ID: <2007@njitgw.njit.edu> Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!ucsd!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!gatech!rutgers!njin!njitgw!jfa0522@hertz.njit.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: news@njitgw.njit.edu Lines: 12 What is the offer? Is it still on? Is there a deadline date? Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- john f andrews SYSOP The Biomedical Engineering BBS 24 hrs 300/1200/2400 (201) 596-5679 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERNET jfa0522@hertz.njit.edu LabRat@faraday.njit.edu CIS 73710,2600 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- #! rnews 782 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: crain@cpsin3.uucp (Steven Crain) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 15:33:24 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:49 GMT Subject: Saturn Assemblers Message-ID: <1990Dec18.153324.18551@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Organization: Michigan State University Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!umich!sharkey!msuinfo!cpsin3!crain Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Distribution: comp Sender: news@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu Keywords: Saturn Assembler Amiga Lines: 6 Does somebody have any of the Assemblers for the HP48sx compiled for the Amiga? I currently do not have a working compiler (I have DICE- but I haven't registered it yet) Thanks. Steve crain@buster.cps.msu.edu #! rnews 2478 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: NELSON%VWSCYG@vmsc.oac.uci.edu (Matthew A. Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 17:27:00 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:49 GMT Subject: linear fits with errors Message-ID: <EC03481D60001CB7@gacvx2.gac.edu> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 62 To: handhelds@gac.edu Return-path: <NELSON%VWSCYG@vmsc.oac.uci.edu> To: handhelds@gac.edu X-VMS-To: HANDHELDS Below you will find a routine for doing fits to the line Y=a+bX, and a routine to predict a value of y0 given an x0. I realize that these are already built into the 48, but the routines below not only provide the coefficients a, b, and the predicted y0, but also the standard deviations in these values, Sa, Sb and Sy0. Knowing these errors is often times crucial, and I have long been amazed that linear regression routines usually omit them. The formulae used for the calculations below were gotten from "Introduction to the Theory of Error", by Yardley Beers (Addison- Wesley, 1962). The first routine takes your sigma-dat, and calculates a, Sa, b, Sb and an estimate of the errors in the y-data, Sy (this is used in the second routine). It changes the display mode and displays the relevant information, and also creates the global variables a, Sa, b, Sb and Sy. %%HP: T(3)A(R)F(.); \<< RCLF \-> f \<< 4 FIX \GSY SQ \GSX^2 * \GSX*Y \GSX \GSY * * 2 * - N\GS \GSX*Y SQ * + N\GS \GSX^2 * \GSX SQ - / \GSY^2 SWAP - N\GS 2 - / \v/ DUP 'Sy' STO \-> sy \<< CLLCD N\GS N\GS \GSX^2 * \GSX SQ - / \v/ sy * DUP 'Sb' STO \->STR "Sb: " SWAP + 6 DISP N\GS \GSX*Y * \GSX \GSY * - N\GS \GSX^2 * \GSX SQ - / DUP 'b' STO \->STR " b: " SWAP + 5 DISP \GSX^2 N\GS \GSX^2 * \GSX SQ - / \v/ sy * DUP 'Sa' STO \->STR "Sa: " SWAP + 4 DISP \GSX^2 \GSY * \GSX \GSX*Y * - N\GS \GSX^2 * \GSX SQ - / DUP 'a' STO \->STR " a: " SWAP + 3 DISP "fit to: Y=a+bX" 1 DISP 7 FREEZE \>> f STOF \>> \>> The second routine takes x0 from the stack and returns the predicted y0 in level 2, and it's error, Sy0, in level 1. The first routine must be executed before this one, in order to calculate the required coefficients. %%HP: T(3)A(R)F(.); \<< \-> x \<< x b * a + \GSX^2 \GSX 2 * x * - N\GS x SQ * + N\GS \GSX^2 * \GSX SQ - / \v/ Sy * \>> \>> Any comments may be thrown to Matt Nelson (nelson@psroot.ps.uci.edu) #! rnews 926 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.falco@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Andrey Dolgachev) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:40:09 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:50 GMT Subject: HP-28C for sale Message-ID: <276e9cf3:1464comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.falco Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Keywords: hp-28 Lines: 8 Well, I know that everybody is interested in the new HP-48's and 28s's, but if anybody is interested in a great calculator for a low price, how about this: I am selling my HP-28C for only $70 or best offer. Since it is a HP, it's in like-new condition, with all the original manuals and the HP-28C/S Insights book . The 28C is just like the 28S, just with 2k of RAM. Leave me e-mail on the HP board or call me at (313)-663-6798 in Ann Arbor, Mich. ---Falco or Andrey Dolgachev #! rnews 678 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: jthornto@wunderbar.ee.ubc.ca (Johan Thornton) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 04:28:31 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:51:02 GMT Subject: HP-28 Processor Notes Message-ID: <1476@fs1.ee.ubc.ca> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!fs1!wunderbar.ee.ubc.ca!jthornto Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: root@fs1.ee.ubc.ca Lines: 6 I need the original HP-28 Processor Notes. I think they're available on gmuvax.gmu.edu but that system's anonymous ftp is currently not working. -- Johan Thornton (but my friends call me jthornto@ee.ubc.ca) #! rnews 894 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: shankar@hpclscu.HP.COM (Shankar Unni) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 22:31:34 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:50 GMT Subject: Re: Re: how to get longer file names? Message-ID: <1340156@hpclscu.HP.COM> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Calif. Language Lab Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hpda!hpcuhb!hpcllla!hpclisp!hpclscu!shankar Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec6.123154@dali.gatech.edu> Lines: 10 > Please tell me about 'some locally-added software'. > If X,GNU emacs or TeX need recompiling, I give up trying 'convertfs'. The only ones that need re-compiling are those that do directory traversal, *AND* have been compiled on HP-UX 6.2 or older. If these executables are compiled on any recent HP-UX (6.5, 7.0), then they don't need recompilation after "convertfs". ---- Shankar Unni. #! rnews 2285 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: harry@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:40:16 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:51:03 GMT Subject: Re: Questions about HPUX 8.0, X11R4, HP policy Message-ID: <101950174@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hpcvlx!harry Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> Lines: 36 Jim Sadler writes: > But why doesn't HP provide the untested code > as "user supported" ? We've tried something like this in the past (the SE support tape), and we may do something similar in the future. Our support organization(s) have expressed reservations about such things, stating that customers expect support for anything and everything we ship regardless of labeling. While I personally feel we should provide such a package, I can't guarantee it will happen. We are trying to accomplish much the same goal with the ftp-able X stuff on hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com. > This is the first time that I > have heard why HP doesn't ship certain libraries, up till now I > thought someone was makeing capricious and arbitrary decisions on what > to not included with HP-UX. Is the above reason why certain berkley > utilities and librarys are missing ? I suspect that this is the reasoning, although I don't have first hand knowledge in the case of Berkeley stuff. While I personally have no explanation for the current lack of things like bcopy(), index/rindex, etc., I believe the situation will improve some with HP-UX 8.0. > 2. Please, Please don't take my or anyone else postings > personally. Most of the time the reason I make critical type > postings is because I can't get the real information anyother > way and I hope it might influence someone to correct my perceived > problem. I can't remember ever being offended by one of your postings. I am more than willing to listen to criticism and certainly try to learn from it. I recognize that the previous poster has some legitimate complaints and problems, but for me they tended to get lost within the unusually large amount of flames contained in the posting. Harry Phinney harry@cv.hp.com #! rnews 1124 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rvdp@cs.vu.nl (Ronald van der Pol) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 22:41:27 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:51 GMT Subject: Re: indir and #! Message-ID: <8531@star.cs.vu.nl> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!hp4nl!star.cs.vu.nl!rvdp Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <5713@uafhp.uark.edu> Sender: news@cs.vu.nl Keywords: can I enable it? Lines: 25 award@uafhp.uark.edu (Sven Thjostarsson) writes: >I am trying to install indir on an HP 375. I have gotten it to compile, >but when I try to execute a script like: >#!/usr/local/bin/indir some list of arguments >My shell reports to me that the file cannot be executed. Is there >something I need to do to enable this or is it not supported under >HP-UX? Use the following syntax for setuid shellscripts: #!/usr/local/bin/indir -u #?/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/setuid_shellscript # # here starts your shellscript # Other options for indir(1) are -g, -n and -b. (see the manual page) -- Ronald van der Pol <rvdp@cs.vu.nl> #! rnews 1167 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: ash@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Art Harkin) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 21:01:36 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:51 GMT Subject: Re: The "getdtablesize" command Message-ID: <4310151@hpindda.cup.hp.com> Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hpda!hpcuhb!hpindda!ash Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <28687@mimsy.umd.edu> Lines: 14 / hpindda:comp.sys.hp / preetham@ra.src.umd.edu (Preetham Gopalaswamy) / 3:00 pm Dec 17, 1990 / I am trying to compile a software package that was unfortunately not written for SysV although they claim that it is. The computer being used is an HP800 running HPUX 3.1. One of the problems that I am facing is finding a SysV equivalent for the command "getdtablesize" which is used (so the SUN man pages say) to "get the descriptor table size". What can I use instead of this command since it does not exist on the HPs. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Preetham Gopalaswamy ps: You may either post the answer or send e-mail to preetham@ra.src.umd.edu ---------- #! rnews 1437 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: ash@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Art Harkin) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 01:45:04 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:51 GMT Subject: Re: The "getdtablesize" command Message-ID: <4310152@hpindda.cup.hp.com> Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hpda!hpcuhb!hpindda!ash Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <28687@mimsy.umd.edu> Lines: 33 Reposted since previous posting cut off the answer... In reply to: > comp.sys.hp / preetham@ra.src.umd.edu / 3:00 pm Dec 17, 1990 / > >I am trying to compile a software package that was unfortunately not written >for SysV although they claim that it is. The computer being used is an HP800 >running HPUX 3.1. One of the problems that I am facing is finding a SysV >equivalent for the command "getdtablesize" which is used (so the SUN man >pages say) to "get the descriptor table size". What can I use instead of >this command since it does not exist on the HPs. >Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > Preetham Gopalaswamy > >ps: You may either post the answer or send e-mail to preetham@ra.src.umd.edu > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try: #include <sys/types.h> #ifdef hpux t = FD_SETSIZE; #else /* hpux */ t = getdtablesize(); #endif /* hpux */ Art Harkin Hewlett Packard #! rnews 1205 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rvdp@cs.vu.nl (Ronald van der Pol) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 22:47:16 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:51 GMT Subject: Re: The "getdtablesize" command Message-ID: <8532@star.cs.vu.nl> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!hp4nl!star.cs.vu.nl!rvdp Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <28687@mimsy.umd.edu> Sender: news@cs.vu.nl Lines: 17 preetham@ra.src.umd.edu (Preetham Gopalaswamy) writes: =I am trying to compile a software package that was unfortunately not written =for SysV although they claim that it is. The computer being used is an HP800 =running HPUX 3.1. One of the problems that I am facing is finding a SysV =equivalent for the command "getdtablesize" which is used (so the SUN man =pages say) to "get the descriptor table size". What can I use instead of =this command since it does not exist on the HPs. =Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Select and its functions are BSD features. Not all SVR3 machines include all the select additional functions. Maybe it is in HP's libbsd.a? -- Ronald van der Pol <rvdp@cs.vu.nl> #! rnews 2147 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: paul@prcrs.UUCP (Paul Hite) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:14:57 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:52 GMT Subject: Re: Some Q&A's about HP-UX 8.0 and X11R4 Message-ID: <1357@prcrs.UUCP> Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!ucsd!usc!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!lll-winken!uunet!prcrs!paul Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> <1990Dec17.113709.8929@and.cs.liv.ac.uk> Lines: 29 In article <1990Dec17.113709.8929@and.cs.liv.ac.uk>, rkl@and.cs.liv.ac.uk writes: > > It's disk quotaing that is possibly HP's biggest faux pas. That is a > desperately required feature of HP-UX, especially in an academic situation > with 100's of undergrads, and I feel that 8.0 should be 'free' to those > without a support contract, simply because rival manufacturer's (Sun springs > to mind) have had disk quotaing for many years. > > Richard K. Lloyd, *** This is a MicroVAX II running VAX/VMS V5.3-1 *** > Computer Science Dept., * JANET : RKL@UK.AC.LIV.CS.AND * This is the second time in a week that someone from the academic world has opined that they should get free upgrades because HP is adding features that other vendors have had for awhile. Do you guys run your own business this way? For example, when you offered your first C++ course, did you offer all of your former students free C++ training? Do you routinely do this for every course, excluding only those courses which your university offers before any other? Perhaps some of your colleagues will argue that bug fixes, not new features, should be free. But again, do you offer to reteach, for free, anyone who attended a course which later is found to contain incorrect information? If you do operate in this manner, how do fund it? After all, like operating systems, an education in computer science is never really complete. Paul Hite PRC Realty Systems McLean,Va uunet!prcrs!paul (703) 556-2243 You can't tell which way the train went by studying its tracks. #! rnews 1636 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: dhepner@hpcuhc.cup.hp.com (Dan Hepner) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 20:02:47 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:52 GMT Subject: Re: Fault-tolerant HP-UX? Message-ID: <530022@hpcuhc.cup.hp.com> Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hpda!hpcuhc!dhepner Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec18.131438.4762@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Lines: 24 From: randy@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (RANDALL SCHRICKEL (NCE) x7661) >Saw a short blurb about the subject in Unix Today, or some magazine. Who can >tell me anything about it? Supposedly it can be used at sites with 2 or more >HPs, so that if one crashes the other will take over with no down time. >Pricing, reviews, any details would be appreciated. Thanx. HP-UX 8.0 will have an optional feature called "SwitchOver/UX", which allows for one HP-UX machine to back up up to seven others, and take over in the event that one of the seven fails. The backup machine "becomes" the failed machine in all important matters, and reboots as the failed machine. It takes over the disks, and thus uses exactly the same '/' directory. A special Ethernet address is used for each machine in these "groups", and the backup takes over the Ethernet address of the failed machine. The IP address is similarly unchanged. Thus, accessing the takeover from a network is indistinguishable from accessing the original machine. Pricing, etc, should be obtained from your local HP sales office. If you should have trouble locating such, send email. Dan Hepner dhepner@cup.hp.com #! rnews 1469 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: jfk@ais.org (Jim Knight) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 05:52:41 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:59 GMT Subject: Re: All you HP experts, please HELP me................ Message-ID: <TW&+X%#@irie.ais.org> Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!b-tech!ais.org!jfk Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <52129@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> Sender: jfk@ais.org Lines: 22 In article <52129@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v087mxgb@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu writes: > >My company uses an HP3000/960 for their MIS/data processing >dept. I in Engineering run a software package on a SUN >Sparcstation (no other choice, thats all it runs on)...... > An interesting combination. >Anyway, we have a database system by ASK that requires >"block mode" terminal emulation. > Unfortunately, block mode terminal emulators are not a dime a dozen, and I know of none in the public domain. Even then it would require porting to your sun. Block mode programs make extensive use of Hp specific terminal functions, your only choice may be to add either a terminal or a PC to your desk. -- ================================================================= Come Visit M-net. Michigan's Public Access Unix and Conferencing (313) 994-5023 jfk@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us jfk@ais.org #! rnews 1946 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles P. Mok) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 22:20:09 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:40 GMT Subject: Re: Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t??? Message-ID: <1990Dec18.222547.17877@pa.dec.com> Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!pa.dec.com!fortsc.enet.dec.com!mok Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp Sender: news@pa.dec.com (News) Lines: 30 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:253 comp.sys.apollo:2102 comp.sys.hp:2002 In article <1990Dec18.144236.15864@ccad.uiowa.edu>, timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) writes... >I am interested in obtaining benchmark information for HP 9000/425t >workstations (if any of the '040 machines are actually out there :-). >SPECmarks would be of most interest as I can compare these with info >from other vendors. If you have other benchmarks I would be interested >in seeing results for it on other workstations so I have a basis for >comparision. I do NOT need MIPS or MFLOPS ratings, I have these. I guess a lot of people are interested in seeing those SPECmarks and comparing them too, including myself. Unfortunately HP for some reason has not been releasing any of those numbers despite the fact that they are a member supporting SPEC's unified benchmarking effort. Interesting indeed. If you can find any of those numbers tested, please let me know too! Charles >-- >Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu >Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research >University of Iowa 228 ERF >Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242 --- Charles Mok/Digital Equipment Corporation INTERNET: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com UUCP: ....!decwrl!fortsc.dec.enet.com!mok --- #! rnews 963 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:30:31 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:52 GMT Subject: Re: LasetJet print driver for DeskJet? Message-ID: <15520025@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hpcc05!hpdmd48!alien Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec18.113611.1256@urz.unibas.ch> Lines: 10 > Internal fonts were used and the characters were overlapping sometimes. Yup, that sounds like what you'd get if you specify a font that isn't there. (especially if the one you call for is proportionally spaced) You need a memory cartridge to use softfonts with the DeskJet. _____________ Tom von Alten email: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com Hewlett-Packard Disk Mechanisms Division 208 323-2711____________________________ #! rnews 919 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:57:12 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:42 GMT Subject: Re: 040 NeXT (was:Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t???) Message-ID: <F+gp#&x3@cs.psu.edu> Organization: Penn State Computer Science Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!news Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec18.222547.17877@pa.dec.com> Sender: news@cs.psu.edu (Usenet) Lines: 5 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:254 comp.sys.apollo:2105 comp.sys.hp:2003 In-Reply-To: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com's message of 18 Dec 90 22:20:09 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: client6.cs.psu.edu How about SpecMarks for the 68040 NeXT? They have been shipping for a week or two. Is the personal workstation a reality? -Mike #! rnews 1965 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles P. Mok) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 22:20:09 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:42 GMT Subject: Re: Re: 040 NeXT (was:Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t???) Message-ID: <1990Dec18.222547.17877@pa.dec.com> Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!pa.dec.com!fortsc.enet.dec.com!mok Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp Sender: news@pa.dec.com (News) Lines: 30 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:253 comp.sys.apollo:2102 comp.sys.hp:2002 In article <1990Dec18.144236.15864@ccad.uiowa.edu>, timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) writes... >I am interested in obtaining benchmark information for HP 9000/425t >workstations (if any of the '040 machines are actually out there :-). >SPECmarks would be of most interest as I can compare these with info >from other vendors. If you have other benchmarks I would be interested >in seeing results for it on other workstations so I have a basis for >comparision. I do NOT need MIPS or MFLOPS ratings, I have these. I guess a lot of people are interested in seeing those SPECmarks and comparing them too, including myself. Unfortunately HP for some reason has not been releasing any of those numbers despite the fact that they are a member supporting SPEC's unified benchmarking effort. Interesting indeed. If you can find any of those numbers tested, please let me know too! Charles >-- >Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu >Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research >University of Iowa 228 ERF >Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242 --- Charles Mok/Digital Equipment Corporation INTERNET: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com UUCP: ....!decwrl!fortsc.dec.enet.com!mok --- #! rnews 825 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: luigi@paris.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 19:36:56 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:52 GMT Subject: coff format for 9000 series 300 Message-ID: <1990Dec18.113656@paris.Berkeley.EDU> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!ucsd!dog.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!paris.Berkeley.EDU!luigi Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Sender: news@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU Reply-To: luigi@paris.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato) Lines: 10 I am looking for documentation of the object file format used by an HP 9000 series 300, in particular of the assembler directives dntt, vt, sltnormal, sltspecial, etc. Does anybody have something that they can e-mail to me? Thanks in advance Luigi Semenzato luigi@ginger.berkeley.edu ...!ucbvax!luigi #! rnews 2324 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: EYRING@cc.utah.edu Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 21:09:32 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:53 GMT Subject: HP 700/X terminal, R3 compat, but R4 ?~r Message-ID: <104534@cc.utah.edu> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!eyring Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Lines: 44 We have an HP 700/X X window graphics terminal, its a 20 inch 256 colors box. We have a Sun 3/470 running 4.1 OS using Open Windows 2.0. OW 2.0 is X11R4, but the software for the x server from HP is X11R3. Every since I got the fonts converted from sun format to .snf HP server format and started working with the server full time, olwm, I have had odd results from it. It blows up occasionally. First thought this was due to not enough memory onboard the server, so we went from 1 to 2 Megs on the 700/X HP server. That didn't solve the problem. After continual use, say 3 or 4 programs running interactively, and with occasional use. The system will lock up and maybe a dissassembly window appears, on the HP 700/X server, ... Illegal opcode at FFD6F2F0 FFF42500: ... FFF42600: ... FFF42700: ... FFF42800: ... panic: halted ... I have also looked at the HP 700/X memory statistics and seen the Amount installed 2048 Kb Number fragments 33 Free pool 99547 Kb Largest fragment 197379 Kb ^^^^ ^^^^^ |-------------------------------------| | |= big problem here! I can only think of 2 remaining problems left, since the mem upgrade did not cure it. 1. X11R4 Sun client software is not compatible with HPs X11R3 server software. Someone should know about this, its an easy one right? Could R4 calls to a R3 server make the mem manager screw up so badly? 2. The HP 700/X X window graphics terminal memory manager has a serious bug in it. We ran mem diagnostics on the HP and everything passed. Any insights or comments would be greatly appreciated. >bob witmer >Eyring Inc., Flight Simulation >Salt Lake City, Utah >eyring!rcw@snowbird.sun.com or eyring@cc.utah.edu #! rnews 592 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: bary1@vax5.cit.cornell.edu Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:54:47 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:53 GMT Subject: HPUX 7.0 acctdisk bad uids Message-ID: <1990Dec18.225447.1705@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!unix!Teknowledge.COM!uw-beaver!cornell!vax5.cit.cornell.edu!bary1 Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Distribution: comp Lines: 10 acctdisk seems to be producing bad uids on our 9000/835 HPUX 7.0. I saw something in the latest SSB about accounting coming up with some bad uids #! rnews 4600 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:22:09 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:53 GMT Subject: DeskWriter problems Message-ID: <1990Dec19.022209.5340@rodan.acs.syr.edu> Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!wwtaroli Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.mac.hardware Sender: wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) Lines: 104 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:2012 comp.sys.mac.hardware:3854 Well, I've been nothing but happy with my DeskWriter (2278A model) until just recently. I've been printing some rather lengthy documents from a few different applications. With some documents, I start getting the line Datacomm buffer overrun - no DTR handshaking . I consulted the manual, which says that this points to a cable problem. I reseated the cable on both ends tried again... with the same result. I assume that the cable itself isn't bad since normal control signals (offline, out of paper, etc) are making their way back to the Mac. I assume that at least the offline indicator involves the DTR line. Two different documents I've had this happen to so far are a 20-page Word document with just text and one small figure, and a rather large (full page) PICT file with the Memory Map of a Plus (I own an SE, but someone tried printing this and got the error). I've been unable to print either of these from front to end with any luck. I was able to print the Word document because I'd sectioned it out from the start... but I'm stuck with a nice PICT file that won't print. Any suggestions? BTW, here's my stats... MacEnvy System Environment Report (2.0) ========================================================================== Filename: MacEnvy Report Report Date: Tuesday, December 18, 1990 21:24:44 ========================================================================== Item Type/Status ---------------- -------------------------------------------------------- Machine: Macintosh SE Memory: 16384K (16 megabytes) Processor: Motorola 68030 Coprocessor: Not installed PMMU Chip: Installed (in 68030) Sound Chip: ASC not present Graphics: Standard QuickDraw (B/W) Keyboard: ADB Standard (U.S.) ADB Devices: 2 devices attached SCSI Chip: NCR 5380 installed Clock Chip: New clock chip (256 bytes) ROM Version: 256K (Version 118), rev. 1 ROM C7 Info: $B2E362A8 (Mac SE ROM) System: Version 6.0.5 (409K) Finder: Version 6.1.5 MultiFinder*: Version 6.1b9 (active) Localized For: U.S./Canada (0) File System: HFS (Hierarchical) Debugger: Installed at $0001BB60 RAM Cache: 32K, cache disabled Current App: "DAJHandler" User Name: "Bill Taroli" Printing To: DeskWriter (A.02.00) AppleTalk*: AppleTalk is not loaded. File Server: No remote volumes found SCSI Devices: 0 - - - - - - 7 SCSI Drives: 1 SCSI drive @ ID# 0 Sony Drives: 1=800K, 2=800K, 3=None Controller: IWM chip (GCR only) Other Drives: None Boot Volume: Desktop (43 MB) Volume Use: 34939K used, 8271K free Catalog Info: 703 files, 94 folders Catalog Size: 512K + 512K extents Boot Blocks: Version 23 Startup App: "MultiFinder" Monitors: 1 screen device Main Screen: 512 x 342 pixels Resolution: 72 x 72 pixels per inch Pixel Depth: 1 bit/pixel (monochrome) Alt Screen: N/A Resolution: N/A Pixel Depth: N/A NuBus Cards: Slot Manager not present PRAM Status: Last write valid ($A8) Modem Port: 9600 baud, D=8, S=2, N Printer Port: 9600 baud, D=8, S=2, N % Boot Drive: External (drive #2) Default Font: Garamond Speaker Vol: Current setting = 2 Mouse Setup: Dbl-Click = 32, Scaling: On Key Repeat: Rate = 2, Threshold = 16 Blink Rates: Caret = 32, Menu: 2 times Latitude: 0! 0' 0" North Longitude: 0! 0' 0" East Time Zone: 0 hr, 0 min east of GMT Any help is greatly appreciated. Regards -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Taroli (WWTAROLI@RODAN.acs.syr.edu) | "You can and must understand * * Syracuse University, Syracuse NY | computers NOW!" -- Ted Nelson * ******************************************************************************* #! rnews 3488 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: lindner@cs.umn.edu (Paul Lindner) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 07:48:14 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:51:04 GMT Subject: More Generic HP Questions and Thanks Message-ID: <1990Dec19.074814.941@cs.umn.edu> Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!umich!umeecs!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!lindner Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Lines: 59 I really want to thank you all for helping me get up to speed administrating my new HP workstations. I truly would be quite in the dark without the great tips everyone supplied me with. So here goes. My problems with YP was that (duh) I had to manually add the +::0:0::: lines to /etc/passwd and /etc/group, easy oversight. I got decent versions of finger and talk from me10.lbl.gov. I also got the new HP X server. I compiled the R4 clients and libraries easily. (The HP server is actually faster than the Xhp server... wow!, and it now correctly does titlebar squeezing! yeah!) This all went quite smoothly. I did encounter a problem with the /etc/exports file. Apparently you cannot just put a directory that you want to export like under SunOS. You have to put a "file-system" name in there. (In this case / instead of /usr/local). This brings up another problem: Can I repartition drives? mediainit is weird. So now for the questions (Yes I still haven't received a tape drive or manual set yet, sigh....) 1. Are the vtdaemon, rlbdaemon, nftdaemon, and rfadaemon worth running? Our current setup is based around Suns, i.e. the HP server is a YP slave to a Sun YP master. Everyone around here uses telnet or rsh (er make that remsh). Will any of HP's software break without these weird NS daemons? We're planning on using Softbench and some strange 68000 embedded system emulator thingie that I haven't touched yet. I've already disabled rwhod which is a bit of a network/compute hog. 2. What options can I disable from my kernel? The machines that I have are 400t's with 200 meg SCSI disks and not much else. I've already removed all but the SCSI disk driver. I also got rid of the tape drivers, ane printer drivers. I think I've got most of the unecessary junk out of the kernel. Does anyone have any tips for the optimal settings for the various operating system parameters? This ties with problem #1, if I get rid of the stuff in #1 can I safely get rid of NS services in the kernel? 3. Does anyone know of an automounter for the HP that will read Sun's auto.master and auto.direct maps? I realize that I could use the virtual home directory madness, but I would rather not. Otherwise I may consider writing a little shell script that converts auto.direct files into the appropriate HP maps. (This would be automagically used in the YP Makefile, so I really wouldn't have to fiddle with it once it worked.) 4. Is there an equivilant to pstat that I'm somehow missing? 5. I'm still working on my port of PLP (my favorite lpd replacement.) If someone's already done this, let me know.. please! Thanks in advance! -- Paul Lindner, Univ. of MN \ Microcomputer / Pauls Law: You can't IT Sun dude, & UofM ACM pres \ Workstation / fall off the floor. lindner@boombox.micro.umn.edu \ Networks / {...!rutgers!umn-cs!lindner} | | | | | | | | |||||\ Center /||||| | | | | | | | | #! rnews 4600 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:22:09 GMT Date-Received: Thu, 20 Dec 1990 07:50:53 GMT Subject: DeskWriter problems Message-ID: <1990Dec19.022209.5340@rodan.acs.syr.edu> Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!wwtaroli Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.mac.hardware Sender: wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) Lines: 104 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:2012 comp.sys.mac.hardware:3854 Well, I've been nothing but happy with my DeskWriter (2278A model) until just recently. I've been printing some rather lengthy documents from a few different applications. With some documents, I start getting the line Datacomm buffer overrun - no DTR handshaking . I consulted the manual, which says that this points to a cable problem. I reseated the cable on both ends tried again... with the same result. I assume that the cable itself isn't bad since normal control signals (offline, out of paper, etc) are making their way back to the Mac. I assume that at least the offline indicator involves the DTR line. Two different documents I've had this happen to so far are a 20-page Word document with just text and one small figure, and a rather large (full page) PICT file with the Memory Map of a Plus (I own an SE, but someone tried printing this and got the error). I've been unable to print either of these from front to end with any luck. I was able to print the Word document because I'd sectioned it out from the start... but I'm stuck with a nice PICT file that won't print. Any suggestions? BTW, here's my stats... MacEnvy System Environment Report (2.0) ========================================================================== Filename: MacEnvy Report Report Date: Tuesday, December 18, 1990 21:24:44 ========================================================================== Item Type/Status ---------------- -------------------------------------------------------- Machine: Macintosh SE Memory: 16384K (16 megabytes) Processor: Motorola 68030 Coprocessor: Not installed PMMU Chip: Installed (in 68030) Sound Chip: ASC not present Graphics: Standard QuickDraw (B/W) Keyboard: ADB Standard (U.S.) ADB Devices: 2 devices attached SCSI Chip: NCR 5380 installed Clock Chip: New clock chip (256 bytes) ROM Version: 256K (Version 118), rev. 1 ROM C7 Info: $B2E362A8 (Mac SE ROM) System: Version 6.0.5 (409K) Finder: Version 6.1.5 MultiFinder*: Version 6.1b9 (active) Localized For: U.S./Canada (0) File System: HFS (Hierarchical) Debugger: Installed at $0001BB60 RAM Cache: 32K, cache disabled Current App: "DAJHandler" User Name: "Bill Taroli" Printing To: DeskWriter (A.02.00) AppleTalk*: AppleTalk is not loaded. File Server: No remote volumes found SCSI Devices: 0 - - - - - - 7 SCSI Drives: 1 SCSI drive @ ID# 0 Sony Drives: 1=800K, 2=800K, 3=None Controller: IWM chip (GCR only) Other Drives: None Boot Volume: Desktop (43 MB) Volume Use: 34939K used, 8271K free Catalog Info: 703 files, 94 folders Catalog Size: 512K + 512K extents Boot Blocks: Version 23 Startup App: "MultiFinder" Monitors: 1 screen device Main Screen: 512 x 342 pixels Resolution: 72 x 72 pixels per inch Pixel Depth: 1 bit/pixel (monochrome) Alt Screen: N/A Resolution: N/A Pixel Depth: N/A NuBus Cards: Slot Manager not present PRAM Status: Last write valid ($A8) Modem Port: 9600 baud, D=8, S=2, N Printer Port: 9600 baud, D=8, S=2, N % Boot Drive: External (drive #2) Default Font: Garamond Speaker Vol: Current setting = 2 Mouse Setup: Dbl-Click = 32, Scaling: On Key Repeat: Rate = 2, Threshold = 16 Blink Rates: Caret = 32, Menu: 2 times Latitude: 0! 0' 0" North Longitude: 0! 0' 0" East Time Zone: 0 hr, 0 min east of GMT Any help is greatly appreciated. Regards -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Taroli (WWTAROLI@RODAN.acs.syr.edu) | "You can and must understand * * Syracuse University, Syracuse NY | computers NOW!" -- Ted Nelson * ******************************************************************************* #! rnews 1607 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: scott@hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM (Jim Scott) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 1990 15:00:53 GMT Date-Received: Fri, 21 Dec 1990 15:00:53 GMT Subject: Re: rom disk Message-ID: <27580004@hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM> Organization: Hewlett Packard St. Louis, Mo. Path: hpuslma!scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.2 87/11/24; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM References: <16894@brahms.udel.edu> As an addendum to Henry's comments on 'battery backed ROM disks,' Checkmate went out of business and the company that picked up some of their line of products decided not to support the Memorysaver card. My Memorysaver died a few months ago, so now I am back to trying A.E's. Ramkeeper once they send me a new I.C. that will work with either my A.I. or S & S 4MB RAM board. One caveat with the Ramkeeper, too, A.E. doesn't manufacture it anymore either, but they do still support it; my current one was purchased used and I added the latest firmware upgrade, Rev. 1.7 (1.4 was probably sufficient for my IIGS ROM 01 machine). Being spoiled by having GS/OS and Appleworks GS in ROM for extremely fast boot up and access 'forced' me to try implementing it with the Ramkeeper once again. My first one wouldn't handle both 256K and 1MB chip RAM cards and that is why I originally bought the Memorysaver. By the way A.E. tech. support told me that the Ramkeeper wasn't selling enough to warrant its continuation; their Vulcan hard disks are what they are pushing for mass storage and faster file access vs. 3.5" floppies. Jim #! rnews 1440 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 14:42:36 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 14:44:16 GMT Subject: Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t??? Message-ID: <1990Dec18.144236.15864@ccad.uiowa.edu> Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!uunet!ns-mx!ccad.uiowa.edu!timv Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp Sender: timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) Followup-to: comp.benchmarks Lines: 18 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:245 comp.sys.apollo:2093 comp.sys.hp:1999 I am interested in obtaining benchmark information for HP 9000/425t workstations (if any of the '040 machines are actually out there :-). SPECmarks would be of most interest as I can compare these with info from other vendors. If you have other benchmarks I would be interested in seeing results for it on other workstations so I have a basis for comparision. I do NOT need MIPS or MFLOPS ratings, I have these. BTW, I would be running DOMAIN/OS, but results from either environment would be useful. Thanks, --tv -- Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research University of Iowa 228 ERF Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242 #! rnews 1440 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 14:42:36 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 14:44:16 GMT Subject: Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t??? Message-ID: <1990Dec18.144236.15864@ccad.uiowa.edu> Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!uunet!ns-mx!ccad.uiowa.edu!timv Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp Sender: timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) Followup-to: comp.benchmarks Lines: 18 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:245 comp.sys.apollo:2093 comp.sys.hp:1999 I am interested in obtaining benchmark information for HP 9000/425t workstations (if any of the '040 machines are actually out there :-). SPECmarks would be of most interest as I can compare these with info from other vendors. If you have other benchmarks I would be interested in seeing results for it on other workstations so I have a basis for comparision. I do NOT need MIPS or MFLOPS ratings, I have these. BTW, I would be running DOMAIN/OS, but results from either environment would be useful. Thanks, --tv -- Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research University of Iowa 228 ERF Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242 #! rnews 700 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.kevin@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Kevin Jessup) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 23:40:07 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:55 GMT Subject: Re: DTE48 and Packet Message-ID: <276d5282:1436.4comp.sys.handhelds;1@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.kevin Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <1990Dec13.020335.13500@isis.cs.du.edu> <12433@life.ai.mit.edu> Keywords: terminal packet radio null-modem Lines: 3 I have successfully connected my 48SX to a HAYES modem with a null modem cable inserted between the MODEM and the 48SX to PC serial cable. Worked great! #! rnews 1897 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: cloos@acsu.buffalo.edu (James H. Cloos) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 02:48:03 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:57 GMT Subject: Re: HP48: Code Objects in User Language Programs Message-ID: <52082@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> Organization: State University of New York @ Buffalo Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <kskalb.661187537@faui1f> Sender: news@acsu.Buffalo.EDU Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <kskalb.661187537@faui1f> kskalb@faui1f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Kalb) writes: [etc.] >Can a code object be included into a user language program ? >If yes, how ? [etc.] You will have to use a function such as \->PRG posted previously by Rick Grevelle. (see below). To do this, write your usrlang program as usual, execute PRG\-> to put each element of the porgram on the stack, put your code object on the stack, then use ROLLD & ROLL to position the CODE where it belongs in the program (interactive stack helps here). If you left a marker for where the code was to be inserted, make sure you remove it from the stack, if you didn't, make sure you increment the #_of_elements count that PRG\-> left on level 1. Now use \->PRG to combine the elements back into a program. The four programs in the downloadable dir below need to be run thru ASC\-> to use them. Here is the DIR: %%HP: T(3)A(R)F(.); DIR \->PRG "D9D2043C8154450B21305CEC" PRG\-> "D9D202BA812BF81F3040379C1B21305293" ALG\-> "D9D202BA812BF8194040379C1B2130C3D2" \->ALG "D9D2043C81D6450B2130474F" END These routines do do argument checking. -JimC -- James H. Cloos, Jr. Phone: +1 716 673-1250 cloos@ACSU.Buffalo.EDU Snail: PersonalZipCode: 14048-0772, USA cloos@ub.UUCP Quote: <> #! rnews 2977 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Joseph K. Horn) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 10:40:06 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:20 GMT Subject: Re: HP48: Code Objects in User Language Programs Message-ID: <276de832:1452.1comp.sys.handhelds;1@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.joehorn Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <kskalb.661187537@faui1f> Lines: 60 Klaus Kalb asks how to include pre-written Code objects inside user-code programs without assembling the entire program. A very handy way is to use Rick Grevelle's PRG-> and ->PRG routines (posted here earlier) with ROLL and ROLLD. ---------------------------Example:-------------------------------- I have a Code object stored in 'JUNK'. I have a program that looks like this: << A B C + JUNK * >> but I want the program to look like this: << A B C + Code * >>. Here's how to do it: 1) << A B C + JUNK * >> (this is the original program) 2) PRG-> (decomposes program into its objects + count (8)) 3) 4 ROLL (this pulls JUNK down from level 4 to level 1) 4) RCL (this replaces JUNK with its Code contents) 5) 4 ROLLD (this puts the Code into level 4, where JUNK was) 6) ->PRG (this recomposes the program into a single object) 7) See << A B C + Code * >> on the stack! Steps 3 and 5 are done easily by using the interactive stack. In fact, this application is the only time I use the interactive stack. If more than one replacement is to be made, steps 3 through 5 can be automated (if you have Donnelly's Tool Library) this way: ->LIST 'JUNK' DUP RCL REPLACE OBJ->. That'll replace every 'JUNK' with its contents throughout the whole program. Global search and replace on program objects! Can't do THAT on most handhelds! Of course, this method can be used to insert "External"s and anything else your heart desires into programs. You don't ever have to assemble the whole thing like we used to do! Now you can write a chunk at a time, verify that each chunk works, and then tack the chunks together with ->PRG. PRG-> by Rick Grevelle, in ASC format. String checksum: # CE4Dh. ASC'd object checksum: # 3925h. -----[ PRG-> begin ]----- %%HP:; "D9D202BA812BF81F3040379C1B21305293" -----[ PRG-> end ]----- ->PRG by Rick Grevelle, in ASC format. String checksum: # 7844h. ASC'd object checksum: # CEC5h. -----[ ->PRG begin ]----- %%HP:; "D9D2043C8154450B21305CEC" -----[ ->PRG end ]----- Usage: Place a program object in level 1. Press PRG->. See the program's objects in levels 2 through n, and find n in level 1. PRG-> converts a program object into a meta-object. Place objects in levels 2 through n, and place n in level 1, and press ->PRG. See the objects combined into a program object in level 1. ->PRG converts a meta-object into a program object. -- Joseph K. Horn -- (714) 858-0920 -- Peripheral Vision, Ltd. #! rnews 608 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.dnickel@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Derek Scott Nickel) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 23:40:08 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:56 GMT Subject: Re: Units problem.... Message-ID: <276d550f:1450.2comp.sys.handhelds;1@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.dnickel Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <1990Dec16.220615.5132@zip.eecs.umich.edu> <1990Dec16.225234.6000@z Lines: 3 The HP 48SX, by design, only stores unit exponents as integers. Derek S. Nickel #! rnews 2006 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: bgribble@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Gribble) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 19:12:10 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:57 GMT Subject: graphics stuff (attn: erikmb@cd.chalmers.se) Message-ID: <10167@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!jarthur!jarthur.claremont.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: bgribble@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Lines: 28 I've been trying to get mail through to the author of Tetris, the part-ml version, but my mailer pukes on his address. So, Erik, if you're reading, please answer this if you have the time. If you're not Erik, but know the answer to the question, feel free to answer. Thanks. ========================= start included stuff here ======================= I'm trying to figure out a few things about graphics, and am having problems with one area - how to select a grob as the one being displayed. I'm talking about machine language here, of course. In your Tetris program, you managed to make the GRAPH grob the current one from inside the program. How did you go about this? I've experimented with the pointers at #7055x or so, but changing them always causes a system halt - even just switching current-grob pointer to indicate the graph-grob. Any light you can shed would be appreciated greatly. Also, I'd like to help out with your password program, if you still need people to betatest. Since I'm leaving here Dec 23, an answer before then would be nice (if you have the time). Thanks in advance for any help you can give. ***************************************************************************** ** Bill Gribble Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA ** ** bgribble@jarthur.claremont.edu Never heard of it? You're stupid. ** ***************************************************************************** #! rnews 1041 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: @vms3.macc.wisc.edu:KAUFMAN@LUCI.DecNet (KAUFMAN) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 1990 23:56:00 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:57 GMT Subject: <None> Message-ID: <20121517564300@vms3.macc.wisc.edu> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 7 To: HANDHELDS@gac.edu Return-path: <KAUFMAN%LUCI.DecNet@vms3.macc.wisc.edu> To: HANDHELDS@gac.edu X-VMS-To: WIRCS3::IN%"HANDHELDS@GAC.EDU" I'm looking for information on the subject of double-precision arithmetic on the HP-28S. In Eric Toonen's list of SYSEVAL numbers, some mention of double-precision numbers was made, and now my curiosity is piqued. Does the 28S have double precision capability, and if so, what operations are supported. I realize one would need to write ML routines to do the dirty work, and that the display surely cannot handle them, but does anyone have any info on this? TheSeeker #! rnews 651 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: TDSTRONG%MTUS5.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Tim Strong) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 20:53:52 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:58 GMT Subject: HP48SX Internals Message-ID: <37A2037FE0001860@gacvx2.gac.edu> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 3 To: HANDHELDS@gac.edu Return-path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:TDSTRONG@MTUS5.BITNET> To: HANDHELDS@gac.edu Thank you for the copy of the internals document. I post this so I don't get 30 or more copies in the next few days. #! rnews 931 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: schram@boulder.Colorado.EDU (SCHRAM STEVEN P) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 02:13:40 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:58 GMT Subject: minehunt Message-ID: <1990Dec18.021340.7692@csn.org> Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ncar!boulder!csn!news Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: news@csn.org Reply-To: schram@tramp.Colorado.EDU (SCHRAM STEVEN P) Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: tramp.colorado.edu I've got a minehunt game for the 28s. I was wondering if anyone (especially the authors) would mind if I posted it, since it is a copyrighted game, or at least I think so. Could some authority on the subject give me a hand on this one? Thanks. ************************************** *signature under construction. ************************************** #! rnews 1464 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: NELSON%VWSCYG@vmsc.oac.uci.edu (Matthew A. Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 20:06:00 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:58 GMT Subject: Equation library weirdness Message-ID: <38F3728E60001869@gacvx2.gac.edu> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 15 To: handhelds@gac.edu Return-path: <NELSON%VWSCYG@vmsc.oac.uci.edu> To: handhelds@gac.edu X-VMS-To: UCI::IN%"handhelds@gac.edu" Hello, all. I just encountered some weirdness in the equation library card's periodic table. I needed to know the heat of vaporization for liquid nitrogen. "Ah ha," me thinks, "that's in the 48's periodic table." When I looked it up, it gave me a value of 2.7928 kJ/mol. Great. The only problem was that when I compared the results of my calculations to those my boss worked out, I was exactly a factor of 2 off. It turns out that when the equation library gives 2.8 kJ/mol, it is talking about per mole of N, not per mole of N2. For cryin' out loud, who has ever heard of LN1 ?! When I finally figured this out, I went digging in the manual, and found no mention of this rather odd way to present physical properties. I guess that I can assume that this 'atomic standard' is the usual for the equation library. Just thought that I'd pass the info along... -matt #! rnews 1797 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: TNA32@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU (FRINGE) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 01:00:00 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:58 GMT Subject: off Message-ID: <EAA618DE39FFE0AB29@ISUVAX.BITNET> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 112 To: handhelds@gac.edu Return-path: <TNA32@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU> To: handhelds@gac.edu X-VMS-To: IN%"handhelds@gac.edu" a while back someone posted a blurb wnating to know about programs that came up when you turned the calculator on. I posted, but it never made it to the net. Oh well, I'll try again. As Xeno posted earlier, just assign a program to the off sequence (blue-on) and have the program execute an off command. Here's mine as an example. to turn the calculator on, press on and hold the + key until the menu appears. beep+ and beep- will enable or disable respectively, the beep for this session with the calculator . (I found this kind of handy in exams) %%HP: T(3)A(D)F(.); \<< DO DO OFF UNTIL KEY END UNTIL 95 == END CLLCD -57 CF IF -17 FS? THEN "RAD MODE: ON" 1 DISP ELSE IF -18 FC? THEN "RAD MODE: OFF" 1 DISP END END IF -15 FC? -16 FC? AND THEN "RECT. MODE" 2 DISP ELSE "POLAR MODE" 2 DISP END IF -19 FC? THEN "2D VECTORS" 3 DISP ELSE "COMPLEX #" 3 DISP END IF -49 FC? -50 FC? AND THEN "STD MODE" 4 DISP ELSE IF -49 FS? -50 FS? AND THEN "ENG MODE" 4 DISP END END -61 SF -62 SF { "BEEP+" "BEEP-" } TMENU -1 WAIT IF 11.1 SAME THEN -56 CF ELSE -56 SF END 2 MENU \>> -Mike #! rnews 806 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: TNA32@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU (FRINGE) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 00:56:00 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:59 GMT Subject: A models...again Message-ID: <EAA6B534811FE0AB29@ISUVAX.BITNET> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!spool2.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 10 To: handhelds@gac.edu Return-path: <TNA32@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU> To: handhelds@gac.edu X-VMS-To: IN%"handhelds@gac.edu" Good news to all of you with the VERY bug ridden A model 48SX. HP IS NOW REPLACING THEM. Call up the service center (NOT TECH SUPPORT) and tell them you have a A model 48SX. Voila, "Send it in and we'll upgrade it" Merry x-mas! Mike #! rnews 633 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.rtwilson@hpcvbbs.UUCP (robert wilson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 03:40:06 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:59 GMT Subject: 48 internals? Message-ID: <276d8591:1455comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.rtwilson Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Keywords: internals Lines: 3 Is there a comprehensive source of info for the 48sx? I'm looking for memory maps of the i/o as well as internal architecture and development -where can I get this information???????? bob #! rnews 534 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.rtwilson@hpcvbbs.UUCP (robert wilson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 03:40:07 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:59 GMT Subject: assembler Message-ID: <276d85fa:1456comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.rtwilson Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Keywords: assembler Lines: 1 can the assembler STAR be found on this bbs? I sure could use it there! thanks someone....bob #! rnews 899 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: olling@trc.jnoc.go.jp (Cliff Olling) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 05:11:44 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:48:59 GMT Subject: Is Sharp's Wizard considered a handheld? Message-ID: <102@trc.jnoc.go.jp> Organization: Japan National Oil Corporation, Chiba City, Japan Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!sun-barr!ccut!trc!olling Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: olling@jnoc.go.jp (Cliff Olling) Reply-To: olling@trc.jnoc.go.jp (Cliff Olling) Lines: 6 In any case, please *E-MAIL* to me if you have any such product made my Sharp, Casio, Canon, etc. -- Clifford Olling Japan National Oil Corporation $@@PL}8xCD(J Technology Research Center $@@PL}3+H/5;=Q(J Chiba City, Japan olling@jnoc.go.jp $@KkD%K\6?1X(J 24hrs/day=>81+472-73-5831 #! rnews 1640 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: caloccia@lectroid.sw.stratus.com (William Caloccia) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 07:20:21 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:12 GMT Subject: HP48SX -- On/Off detection from alarm-driven program Message-ID: <3481@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!samsung!crackers!transfer!lectroid!caloccia Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: usenet@lectroid.sw.stratus.com Reply-To: caloccia@stratus.com (William Caloccia) Keywords: timing alarms Lines: 26 I've managed to figure out a correction for my HP48 so that the clock is closer to 3 seconds a month than 3 seconds a day off. The correction is an alarm, which adjusts the clock every half hour. I don't want the calculator to stay on 1/3 of the time (10 minutes to time out after the alarm), nor do I want to have it turn off while I'm trying to use it. One suggestion was to use a program (bound to a USR key, etc) that simply did << 6 SF OFF 6 CF >> and to then add a test to the alarm to check for the flag being set. However, it appears that when the calculator goes to service the alarm, the unexecuted portion of the 'off' program ('6 CF') is executed and then the alarm is executed, and since the Flag is then clear. the calculator is left on. Has anyone else succeeded in doing this kind of thing ? (yes, I can turn the calculator back on, but it is awfully annoying when you're in the middle of something -- bad enough that the edit/entry area is blown away by the alarm..) Any suggestions would be apreciated... thanks, --bill #! rnews 741 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: LIGUORO%IPACRES.BITNET@ICNUCEVM.CNUCE.CNR.IT (CRAZY_FINGERS) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 11:09:00 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:21 GMT Subject: Unsubscribe from this list. Message-ID: <EAE7FD7BB47F2054B1@IPACRES.BITNET> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!ucsd!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 1 To: handhelds@gac.edu Return-path: <@ICNUCEVM.CNUCE.CNR.IT:LIGUORO@IPACRES.BITNET> To: handhelds@gac.edu X-VMS-To: IN%"handhelds@gac.edu" UNSUB HANDHELDS #! rnews 5504 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: jbb@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Jim B. Byers) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 02:44:25 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:00 GMT Subject: Re: Questions about HPUX 8.0, X11R4, HP policy Message-ID: <101950173@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvlx!jbb Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> Lines: 101 OK, now we are getting somewhere. I understand you to be saying the following things. 1) You are using an HP-UX machine. 2) Do not have a support contract because your organization decided not to. 3) You have only had access to the net for the past quarter. 4) You have need for some X11 based programs that you have seen. Someone on your site compiled them for another machine, but not for HP-UX. 5) You would be willing to compile them if you have to. (It is assumed that you would prefer a binary. 6) You need the Athena widgets to compile these it. You want these to be shipped as part of HP-UX. If you were on support you would expect us to bug fix these and work with you on work arounds etc. 7) You also need a copy of GKS. I take this to mean the xgks stuff found in the contrib section of the MIT tape under contrib/libraries/xgks 8) You cannot install the MIT tape and build what you want due to space constraints. 9) You are angry and are letting us know. Lets cover these. Re: 4) You have some X11 programs that you want to use. These are applications that you have seen, that may be available as source. I understand these to be PD rather than purchased applications. I still am not sure what these are. In the past requests for such binaries have been fulfilled by the net. Someone took the time to compile them for use on another system on your site. Other sites across the country probably have compiled them for HP-UX. Give the net a try. No vendor will ever provide every PD application that is passed around on the net. Why would they, they Why would they? They are passed around quite efficiently on the net :-). Re: 5) The obvious problem here is obtaining the right patches etc. to the MIT tape. I know you have a great faith in the MIT tape software (even in the contrib) section but it is software whose major goal is features not stable code. This is not to say that the contributors, HP included, do not strive for good code. My point is that this is the first time that much of this code has seen the light of day. Re: 6) I would recommend that you consider ftp-ing the libraries from hpcvaaz as Harry describes in his response. You would prefer that these were included in HP-UX. This is a tough one. We wrestled with this one when the Athena widgets first came out (R2).As you mentioned people would expect us to support/bug fix them if they were in HP-UX. It frankly has not come up as much of an issue as the libraries are available via hpcvaaz and most commercial developers use Motif if they are widgeteers. In short we (here on the X11/Motif/VUE team ) haven't heard many complaints. Really. We still would have had a problem satisfying you with the 7.0 release. The 7.0 release was completed *before* R4 came out. So we would have had to rely on hpcvaaz to satisfy your needs. In a similar vain you want the latest thing on the net but want it to be there in the last standard release. You expect these to be bug free and part of an extremely stable release. This is hard to deliver on! Are these goals mutually exclusive or am I missing something? Re: 7) GKS has been on the HP-UX boxes for a long time. It has always been available as a separate product. Since you need a PD type version you probably are talking about the xgks from the contrib/toolkit section of the MIT tape. As a point of reference, there are 9 toolkits in this section. I have no direct info on xgks, since I have never been asked about it. How about posting a request on the net (sansflames) and see what kind of response you get. Figraro from template as well as an HP implementation of Phigs can be purchased. PEX from the X consortium is still rather young (I believe) and is I am unsure of its availability outside the consortium. Someone else will have to help out on this. Re: 8) The size of the MIT tape is huge, agreed. There are many parts to it. Different people are interested in different parts. Thats the beauty of PD software, but it is unrealistic to expect all vendors to ship all parts to all people for "free". Re: 9) Personally I thinks flames can be a good sign. The person obviously feels strongly about the subject. On the other hand, keep in mind that if you really want answers, it is not unreasonable to try a more straight forward query first. The Athena widgets have been on hpcvaaz for a long time. Various people on the net have R4 binaries/source. All these could have been found without extrainious heat. I was very serious about the fact that compatibility is religion here. While I am involved with only X11/Motif here which makes me naive (as each of us is - knowing only a small fraction of the world's knowledge) I know the immense amount of importance it take on here. I am glad to have read your comments. And I hope that this helps! Jim Byers ITO Marketing/Lab Team "Never attribute malice where ignorance will suffice." A rule for living #! rnews 4071 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: jsadler@misty.boeing.com (Jim Sadler) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 1990 04:58:16 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:01 GMT Subject: Re: Questions about HPUX 8.0, X11R4, HP policy Message-ID: <1150056@misty.boeing.com> Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!bcstec!misty!jsadler Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> Lines: 84 / misty:comp.sys.hp / mikeg@dali.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) / 7:01 am Dec 13, 1990 / >Hi HP people, > > I hear that HPUX 8.0 will be shipped out in June or July. >I also hear that X11R4 will be send with it. That is, if you have >`software support.' > > What if you don't have software support? [Gripes about >HP policy left for later.] Will someone please make a tar file of the >distribution tape, and put it somewhere? Or send the tar file to those >of us who have no support from HP? Why should you get the additions that HP put into X for free, while I have to pay for it ? As you say below X is in the "public domain", I beleive it's not. It is freely distributed. If you want it, why not ftp it from uunet or mit. > > My local HP rep was confused when I told her I knew of >people with X11R4 on an HP. She seems to think that it hasn't been >released yet. People have it, though! As they say not all reps are created equal and its not always the reps fault. The 842 and 852 intro is a good example. The sales force didn't know about them until a few days before they were introduced. They didn't get briefed until after the intro and some of the magazines knew about them way before the field offices. I think marketing at Corp HQ. messed but good. > > Why does the X11R3 that comes with HPUX 7.0 not include >some of the X routines that many public programs expect? Will X11R4 >lack this hideous problem? Good question ! I'd sure like to know! It's not restricted to just X either other libraries are missing !! > > Why does HP consider fixing their software bugs (called an update >of the OS) something for which you have to pay big money for a >support contract? It is unfair. If you pay for UNIX, you should get UNIX, >and not have to pay incrementally to have HP give you UNIX over a period >of time. It isn't as if the machine was inexpensive up front. It isn't as if >HPUX is not the most incompatible port of UNIX and X on the planet. It >most certainly is NOT that new versions of the OS are improvements >to UNIX. The new versions are bug fixes. That is not right. I kinda agree somewhat, except for the "most incompatible" try Xenix or apollo "UN*X". Software only update service is $600 per year list. I would think that it would be cheaper than that for you with the edu discount. The last time I check Sun and DEC charged for their update service. Is it competative ?? > > X is in the public domain. HP makes so called `inhancements' >(read "incompatible frilly fluff") to it and sells it for money. Stuff deleted. I really do wish HP would provide libraries and utilities that are more upto date. > > For now, I run many of the X apps I need on a Sparc, and just >have the Sparc use my display. EtherNet is wonderful. xhost + is >fantastic. My HPUX is being used as a dumb X terminal!!! I'd like it >to evolve into something more useful. While ours aren't "dumb X terminal"'s. I understand the feeling. > > Thank you in advance for your reply, > Mike Gourlay > mike@penguin.gatech.edu > >-------------------------------------------- >I don't officially speak for Georgia Tech or GTRI; Why the hell >should they care if I'm unhappy with HPUX, just because I work >with it every single day? The upper echelons have Sparcs and SGI's. >---------- jim sadler 206-234-9009 email uunet!bcstec!jsadler | jsadler@misty.boeing.com This service is brought to you by the computing mafia of Boeing (BCS). Oh ya None of the above is an opinion of The Boeing Co. #! rnews 3230 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: jsadler@misty.boeing.com (Jim Sadler) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 21:46:28 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:01 GMT Subject: Re: Questions about HPUX 8.0, X11R4, HP policy Message-ID: <1150057@misty.boeing.com> Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!bcstec!misty!jsadler Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> Lines: 56 / misty:comp.sys.hp / harry@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) / 1:29 pm Dec 14, 1990 / >Mike Gourlay writes: MUCH DELETED. > >> Why does the X11R3 that comes with HPUX 7.0 not include >> some of the X routines that many public programs expect? > >We do not ship some of the libraries distributed in the MIT X Consortium >distribution because of possible support problems. It may appear to be >bureaucratic overhead, but for us to release a product we have to show >that we've adequately tested it. This involves having a test suite >which covers a certain percentage of the paths through the code, and >enough test hours (with few enough bugs found) to ensure that the >customer will be able to make good use of the product. We simply do not >have the "engineering resources" (i.e. enough people) to adequately >test all of the various pieces of the public X11 release. > I can accept the above. But why doesn't HP provide the untested code as "user supported" ? DEC does this with their install tapes. I'm not sure, but I believe they do it for no extra charge (at least it doesn't show up as a seperate charge). This is the first time that I have heard why HP doesn't ship certain libraries, up till now I thought someone was makeing capricious and arbitrary decisions on what to not included with HP-UX. Is the above reason why certain berkley utilities and librarys are missing ? MORE DELETED. > >While ranting and flaming may make one feel a bit better during moments ^^^^^^^ Two points I'd like to make: 1. If it was just moments that happened occasionally, I would agree with you. When it happens week after week in the normal course of your work it gets extremely fustrating. Please don't think I agree with everything that Mr. Gourlay say's, I don't, but I do empathize with him. These feeling are compounded if you work in a multi-vendor shop and you can walk to a brand X machine and it does what the HP didn't. 2. Please, Please don't take my or anyone else postings personally. Most of the time the reason I make critical type postings is because I can't get the real information anyother way and I hope it might influence someone to correct my perceived problem. >of frustration, it doesn't help motivate anyone else to provide >assistance. Also, saying thank you at the end does little to remove the >bitter taste of the preceding flames. > >Harry Phinney harry@cv.hp.com >---------- jim sadler 206-234-9009 email uunet!bcstec!jsadler | jsadler@misty.boeing.com This service is brought to you by the computing mafia of Boeing (BCS). Oh ya None of the above is an opinion of The Boeing Co. #! rnews 5370 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: frank@grep.co.uk (Frank Wales) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 17:17:42 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:13 GMT Subject: Re: Questions about HPUX 8.0, X11R4, HP policy Message-ID: <1990Dec17.171742.1309@grep.co.uk> Organization: Grep Limited, LEEDS, UK Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!logitek!grep!frank Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> Reply-To: frank@grep.co.uk (Frank Wales) Keywords: HPUX 8.0 help X11R4 gripe Lines: 111 [Disclaimer: I am not, and never have been, an employee of HP, just a long-time satified customer, blah-blah-blah.] In article <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> mikeg@dali.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) writes: > I hear that HPUX 8.0 will be shipped out in June or July. >I also hear that X11R4 will be send with it. That is, if you have >`software support.' > > What if you don't have software support? [Gripes about >HP policy left for later.] Will someone please make a tar file of the >distribution tape, and put it somewhere? Or send the tar file to those >of us who have no support from HP? What a good idea. But why stop with HP? Why not make copies of all the common OSs from all vendors and put them somewhere public? Why bother actually paying for them at all? After all, they cost nothing to develop, duplicate and distribute, right? > Why does HP consider fixing their software bugs (called an update >of the OS) something for which you have to pay big money for a >support contract? Most software updates include new commands, new facilities and performance or compatibility improvements which are worth actually paying for. And remember that much of the code in HP-UX wasn't actually written by HP at all. When was the last time you had to debug a two million line package you didn't write? >It is unfair. No, it isn't. Name any commercial vendor who will provide on-going support and updates completely free of charge. >If you pay for UNIX, you should get UNIX, and not have to pay >incrementally to have HP give you UNIX over a period of time. Huh? I wasn't aware that I was getting HP-UX on the installment plan. UNIX is a moving target from any vendor, which is one reason why software updates exist and cost money. >It isn't as if the machine was inexpensive up front. I find HP machines quite competitive for price/performance, especially when cost of ownership and reliability are considered. >It isn't as if HPUX is not the most incompatible port of UNIX and >X on the planet. It doesn't sound like you've ported much to HP-UX that wasn't Sun or VAX dependent. It's very accommodating of foreign software. >It most certainly is NOT that new versions of the OS are improvements >to UNIX. The new versions are bug fixes. That is not right. You are correct; the statements preceding "That is not right" are not right. How many new versions have you seen? How many other vendors' versions of UNIX have you seen? How do you determine whose is better? > X is in the public domain. No, it isn't. It's freely distributable within certain constraints. >HP makes so called `inhancements' >(read "incompatible frilly fluff") to it and sells it for money. Sun, AT&T, DEC, and most other workstation vendors also make enhancements. Is everyone evil? >X should be compilable from the distribution >at MIT, and so capable people should be able to compile X11R4 without >waiting for the newest distribution from HP. Has anyone done that? You said earlier that they had. Besides, how long do you think it takes to test something the size of X, especially when you didn't write it? How long does it take to distribute zillions of copies of it? Do you think HP are just dawdling because they feel like it? >My local rep blaimed it on inherent incompatibilities in UNIX. WHAT?!?!?!!? >That's ridiculous. Inherent incompatibilities in UNIX? No such thing. See Configure by Larry Wall for some idea of the nonexistent incompatibilities between different UNIX versions. Read comp.unix.* and comp.lang.c for some more. >Between SYSV and BSD, okay. Which one of these isn't UNIX, since obviously they can't both be (UNIX isn't incompatible with itself, after all)? >Between _either_ BSD or SYSV and HPUX, I see incompatibility >(or is it incompetence?) Ahem. HP-UX is one of the most reliable UNIX versions I know of. It got that way because HP actually debug the thing before they ship it, unlike certain other workstation vendors I could mention. Their implementation of some things is also cleaner (e.g., context-dependent files versus mutant symlink file systems from Hell). Maybe you're not prepared to pay for reliability, and want Untested Creeping Features (tm) instead. Maybe that puts you in the minority of HP's customers. >That, according to her, is why WE HAVE TO PAY HP TO GIVE US PUBLIC >DOMAIN SOFTWARE AND BUG FIXES TO THEIR WEIRD, BUGGY, INCOMPLETE UNIX >PORT AND SPECIAL VERSION OF X. For some reason, the phrase "eat my shorts" comes to mind. It always seems to happen when someone's BIFF key gets stuck down. Can't imagine why. -- Frank Wales, Grep Limited, [frank@grep.co.uk<->uunet!grep!frank] Kirkfields Business Centre, Kirk Lane, LEEDS, UK, LS19 7LX. (+44) 532 500303 #! rnews 3384 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: gordon@maxwell.waterloo.edu (Gordon R. Strachan) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 13:57:19 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 14:44:15 GMT Subject: Re: Questions about HPUX 8.0, X11R4, HP policy Message-ID: <1990Dec18.135719.25336@sunee.waterloo.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!agate!bionet!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!sunee!maxwell!gordon Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> <101950173@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> Sender: daemon@sunee.waterloo.edu Lines: 61 In article <101950173@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> jbb@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Jim B. Byers) writes: > >OK, now we are getting somewhere. I understand you to be saying >the following things. > >1) You are using an HP-UX machine. >2) Do not have a support contract because your organization decided > not to. >3) You have only had access to the net for the past quarter. >4) You have need for some X11 based programs that you have seen. > Someone on your site compiled them for another machine, but not for > HP-UX. stuff deleted >Lets cover these. > > >Re: 6) I would recommend that you consider ftp-ing the libraries from >hpcvaaz as Harry describes in his response. You would prefer that >these were included in HP-UX. This is a tough one. We wrestled with >this one when the Athena widgets first came out (R2).As you mentioned >people would expect us to support/bug fix them if they were in HP-UX. >It frankly has not come up as much of an issue as the libraries are >available via hpcvaaz and most commercial developers use Motif if they >are widgeteers. In short we (here on the X11/Motif/VUE team ) haven't >heard many complaints. Really. > > Okay, I interpret this to say that unless we complain, we won't get the Athena widget set shipped in v8.0. So okay, I'm complaining! I want the Athena widgets put into the standard HP distribution. What you say is in essentially correct. When I write X programs I use the motif widgets because they are better than the Athena widgets. But, the problem comes when you want to compile public domain code, the vast majority of which still use the Athena widgets. I don't think it is such a big deal for HP to stick the library in the distribution and mark it as unsupported. After all, wasn't that what the /usr/contrib directory was for, unsupported contributed software? At least make it an option for those of us that want it. The lack of Athena widgets and totally brain dead man page names for the Xt library functions are the two biggest problems with HP's X software. I would like to add though, that on the hole I am quite happy with HP's X software. I don't consider HP's additions to the X server to be minor. The reason I never installed the R4 stuff from MIT is I didn't want to lose these additions, most notably the starbase extensions. Also, I have been satisfied with HP software support. It seems to me, although this is just subjective, that HP has a lot more updates than other major vendors (ie Sun) and their O/S is more stable. The software support is expensive but, so far at least, I think it has been worth the money. > >I am glad to have read your comments. And I hope that this helps! > >Jim Byers >ITO Marketing/Lab Team Gordon #! rnews 1412 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: chan@hpfcmgw.HP.COM (Chan Benson) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 18:07:25 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 20:23:11 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Dream System (sort of) Message-ID: <17780002@hpfcmgw.HP.COM> Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!chan Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.7.5 (840 Contrib) 87/2/5; site hpfcmgw.HP.COM References: <1990Dec14.095519.14818@hellgate.utah.edu> Well, I seem to be having some problems with getting my "remove foot from mouth" posting posted. So if you see this multiple times, I apologize. In a previous note, I wrote... >> Does speed not matter? The Sparcs are much (10x?) faster. > >I'm willing to admit some advantages to Sun, but the Sparcstation I is >about the same performance as the 400t. At the worst the multiplier is >some number greater than one and less than two. It's certainly nowhere >near ten. > > -- Chan > >If all the false statistics presented on usenet in a year were placed >end to end they would circle the equator 50,000 times. I inadvertantly added a few yards of misinformation of my own. I should have qualified the above statement with the word "integer". Floating point performance on the SparcStation is about 3-4 times faster than a 68030 based 400t. The 68040 upgrade narrows that gap substantially. -- Chan #! rnews 1407 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rsh@hpfcdc.HP.COM (Scott Holbrook) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 20:16:50 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 14:44:22 GMT Subject: Re: indir and #! Message-ID: <5570553@hpfcdc.HP.COM> Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hpfcdc!rsh Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.3 1990/04/18; site hpfcdc.HP.COM References: <5713@uafhp.uark.edu> > I am trying to install indir on an HP 375. I have gotten it to > compile, but when I try to execute a script like: > #!/usr/local/bin/indir some list of arguments > My shell reports to me that the file cannot be executed. As documented in exec(2) (talking about #! scripts): If the initial line of the script exceeds a system defined maximum number of characters, exec fails. The minimum value for this limit is 32. Indeed, the limit in HP-UX is 32 characters. My guess is that your line is exceeding this limit. > Is there something I need to do to enable this or is it not > supported under HP-UX? There is no way that you can change the 32 byte limit. You can either shorten your first line (perhaps move 'indir' to someplace with a shorter path), or make the script a sh(1) script that simply runs /usr/local/bin/indir some list of arguments Scott Holbrook / rsh@hpfcla.fc.hp.com HP-UX Development Lab #! rnews 1866 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 02:32:05 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:01 GMT Subject: Re: The "getdtablesize" command Message-ID: <CEDMAN.90Dec17183310@lynx.ps.uci.edu> Organization: University of California, Irvine, USA. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!ucsd!orion.oac.uci.edu!cedman Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <28687@mimsy.umd.edu> Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: lynx.ps.uci.edu In-reply-to: preetham@ra.src.umd.edu's message of 17 Dec 90 23:00:17 GMT In article <28687@mimsy.umd.edu> preetham@ra.src.umd.edu (Preetham Gopalaswamy) writes: I am trying to compile a software package that was unfortunately not written for SysV although they claim that it is. The computer being used is an HP800 running HPUX 3.1. One of the problems that I am facing is finding a SysV equivalent for the command "getdtablesize" which is used (so the SUN man pages say) to "get the descriptor table size". What can I use instead of this command since it does not exist on the HPs. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. getdtablesize() is a BSD command to find (basically) the maximum number of files open at the same time. The corresponding HPUX command is sysconf(_SC_OPEN_MAX). The correct include file for this is <unistd.h>. Simply replace getdtablesize by sysconf everywhere, or better, define getdtablesize, compile it, and add this function to your BSD library. Then you will never again have to worry about it. Carl Edman Theorectical Physicist,N.:A physicist whose | Send mail existence is postulated, to make the numbers | to balance but who is never actually observed | cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu in the laboratory. | edmanc@uciph0.ps.uci.edu #! rnews 4990 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rkl@and.cs.liv.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 11:37:09 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:15 GMT Subject: Some Q&A's about HP-UX 8.0 and X11R4 Message-ID: <1990Dec17.113709.8929@and.cs.liv.ac.uk> Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!rkl Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> Lines: 98 In article <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu>, mikeg@dali.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) writes: > Hi HP people, I don't work for HP, but we have a large installation of HP-UX workstations here, so I'm slightly qualified to comment :-) > I hear that HPUX 8.0 will be shipped out in June or July. > I also hear that X11R4 will be send with it. That is, if you have > `software support.' I'm waiting for disk quotaing with 8.0 myself (and will it work across NFS ?). X11R4 is a dead subject - we got our copy FTP'ed directly from a US archive 2 days after it was announced. Even then, MIT supplied a hacked-by-HP .o file for the X11R4 server, which was annoying when most/all of the other target machines could compile from the C sources. We now compile all PD stuff using MIT's X11R4 and we don't even touch HP's 7.0 X11 release. > My local HP rep was confused when I told her I knew of > people with X11R4 on an HP. She seems to think that it hasn't been > released yet. People have it, though! We do. You can order it from MIT on 4 tapes for a nominal fee. > Will the X11R4 binaries running on HPUX 6.5 also run > on a similar machine running 7.0? Yes, here's the experience we've had: Compiled on Works on HP X11R2/6.5 HP X11R2/6.5, HP X11R3/7.0, MIT X11R4/7.0 HP X11R3/7.0 HP X11R2/6.5, HP X11R3/7.0 MIT X11R4/7.0 HP X11R3/7.0 and MIT X11R4/7.0 - *not* under 6.5 Of course, font paths and libraries can cause problems, but there are workarounds. > Specifically, will the X binaries > running on a HPUX 6.5 9000s319C+ run on a HPUX 7.0 9000s370? > Libraries? Server? Client? Should be OK, but I can't guarantee that. > Why does the X11R3 that comes with HPUX 7.0 not include > some of the X routines that many public programs expect? Will X11R4 > lack this hideous problem? Even the MIT release of X11R3 did not come with some of the libraries needed by many PD X11R4 programs. This is a problem: HP lag 6-8 months behind MIT on their releases...and they also tweak the MIT release, which is a bit naughty. > Why does HP consider fixing their software bugs (called an update > of the OS) something for which you have to pay big money for a > support contract? It is unfair. It's disk quotaing that is possibly HP's biggest faux pas. That is a desperately required feature of HP-UX, especially in an academic situation with 100's of undergrads, and I feel that 8.0 should be 'free' to those without a support contract, simply because rival manufacturer's (Sun springs to mind) have had disk quotaing for many years. > X should be compilable from the distribution > at MIT, and so capable people should be able to compile X11R4 without > waiting for the newest distribution from HP. Has anyone done that? Yes, but it was a big problem working out where to put MIT's X11R4. After playing with dreaded cdf's, we've finally settled on a /MIT top level (under which are the bin, include and lib dirs) soft-linked to a central disk mounted via NFS. Customised scripts allow either version to be started up (with separate ~/.x11start and ~/.mitstart startup files). > That, according to her, > is why WE HAVE TO PAY HP TO GIVE US PUBLIC DOMAIN SOFTWARE > AND BUG FIXES TO THEIR WEIRD, BUGGY, INCOMPLETE UNIX > PORT AND SPECIAL VERSION OF X. I object to HP including an highly-modified release of Elm with 7.0 and then removing any trace of the original author's names. We've renamed ours to elm.7.0 (and newmail.7.0) and soft-linked elm and newmail to the latest PD version (elm 2.3 PL9). > For now, I run many of the X apps I need on a Sparc, and just > have the Sparc use my display. EtherNet is wonderful. xhost + is > fantastic. My HPUX is being used as a dumb X terminal!!! I'd like it > to evolve into something more useful. I'd recommend a minimum HP-UX configuration of 16MB RAM, preferably with a colour display and at least a 300MB system disk. Diskless machines or machines with <16MB RAM really do suffer massive peformance degradation when running X. Richard K. Lloyd, *** This is a MicroVAX II running VAX/VMS V5.3-1 *** Computer Science Dept., * JANET : RKL@UK.AC.LIV.CS.AND * Liverpool University, * Internet : RKL%and.cs.liv.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu * Merseyside, England, **************************************************** Great Britain. Q: "What's the world's fastest home micro ?" L69 3BX A: "The Archimedes A3000. 4 MIPS for under 800 pounds." #! rnews 1550 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: dayger@penelope.Oswego.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 09:27:13 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:21 GMT Subject: DeskJet 500 / Elek Tek Message-ID: <1990Dec18.092713.10191@oswego.Oswego.EDU> Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!oswego!news Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Distribution: na Reply-To: dayger@penelope.Oswego.EDU () Lines: 20 First; thanks to everyone who responded to my previous posting. Judging from the info I received from net-people as well as a visit to a local HP dealer, I'm opting for a DeskJet 500. However, before I decide where to buy from, there is one more company I want to check with: Several of you mentioned "Elek Tek" in your responses, however, no one really said very much about the company. Can someone fill me in on about these people: Where are they located? How good is their service? Contact info? etc. Thanks. -Tim ============================================================================= = Tim E. Dayger | Internet: dayger@oswego.oswego.edu = = Systems Operator | Bitnet: dayger%oswego@snyoswva.bitnet = = SUNY College at Oswego | UUCP: ...!sunybcs!oswego!dayger = = Oswego, NY USA | DECNet: oswego::dayger = ============================================================================= #! rnews 3142 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 08:39:19 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:22 GMT Subject: SUMMARY: strange (?) behaviour of DAT drive Message-ID: <4530@ruuinf.cs.ruu.nl> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!hp4nl!ruuinf!praxis!edwin Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Sender: news@ruuinf.cs.ruu.nl Keywords: DAT, SCSI, HP-UX 7.0, HP9000/375 Lines: 62 Thanks very much to those who responded so quickly to my notes about a somewhat strange behaviour of our DAT drive! I'll start this summary some notes to clarify a couple of things that should have appeared in my original message, but didn't: 1) The DAT is a very new product. Late intro of the DAT in the HP-UX 7.0 program caused its documentation not to make it into the HP-UX 7.0 documentation set. 2) You can buy two types of DAT drives: a stand-alone (unpack, plug-in and play) version and a bare DAT unit that nicely fits into the HP Series 6000 Mass Storage Systems (models 330S and 660S). We bought the latter one. 3) Installing the DAT hardware was thoroughly documented in the doc that came with the mass storage unit mentioned above. Well, of course HP _knew_ that the DAT installation from the OS point of view (device major/minor numbers, what to put in "/etc/conf/dfile", etc.) wasn't documented in the HP-UX 7.0 manual set, so Paul Perlmutter <paul@hppaul.fc.hp.com> wrote up a thorough summary, called "the DDS Application Note". Unfortunately, this invaluable document was shipped with the stand-alone DAT drive version only, not with the bare unit. So, we were just unlucky ;-) Anyway, Paul Perlmutter mailed me an electronic copy of this document that indeed clarifies a lot. Well done and thanks very much Paul! In a followup to my message, Paul Perlmutter also states that: |> This is a bug in the 7.0 DAT driver. It can be safely ignored. |> The reason? After the tape is successfully ejected, the driver |> during the tape "close" routine will issue a reposition command |> to the non-cartridge and the request fails. Sven Thjostarsson <award@uafhp.uark.edu> offered the following: |> Try: mt offl |> |> I know that you are supposed to use mt on 0mn, not 0m. It will |> choose the proper device if you don't specify one in your case. I verified this of course and he's right. If you used the default naming scheme (/dev/rmt/0m and /dev/rmt/0mn), you do not have to provide device names to the 'mt' or 'tar' commands. 'mt' will use the non-rewinding device by default. Well, that's it. I'm impressed by the amount (and speed) of support I got from Paul Perlmutter in just one day. Great! thanks again and Merry Christmas, --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin Kremer (SysAdm), Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands Telephone: +31-30-534104 | UUCP: ...!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ruuinf!edwin Telefax : +31-30-513791 | Email: edwin@cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.5] #! rnews 1076 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: randy@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (RANDALL SCHRICKEL (NCE) x7661) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 13:14:38 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:22 GMT Subject: Fault-tolerant HP-UX? Message-ID: <1990Dec18.131438.4762@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: JHU/APL, Laurel, MD Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!ucsd!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!aplcomm.jhuapl.edu!randy Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Distribution: usa Sender: news@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (USENET News System) Reply-To: randy@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (RANDALL SCHRICKEL (NCE) x7661) Lines: 9 Saw a short blurb about the subject in Unix Today, or some magazine. Who can tell me anything about it? Supposedly it can be used at sites with 2 or more HPs, so that if one crashes the other will take over with no down time. Pricing, reviews, any details would be appreciated. Thanx. -- Randy Schrickel randy@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab Laurel, MD 20723 "Life goes on, long after the thrill of living has gone." #! rnews 1424 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: v087mxgb@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu (Shawn E Thompson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 13:50:56 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 06:49:23 GMT Subject: All you HP experts, please HELP me................ Message-ID: <52129@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> Organization: University at Buffalo Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!ucsd!usc!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!ub!ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu!v087mxgb Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Sender: news@acsu.Buffalo.EDU Reply-To: v087mxgb@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS V1.3-4.4 Hello all, I am in dire straights...... My company uses an HP3000/960 for their MIS/data processing dept. I in Engineering run a software package on a SUN Sparcstation (no other choice, thats all it runs on)...... Anyway, we have a database system by ASK that requires "block mode" terminal emulation. How can I emulate this on my Sparc so I can have access to our HP and be a team player here ???? This is urgent, please offer any suggestion you can. Thank you in advance....... Shawn E. Thompson "..my sig file was so long, I'm not even allowed a quote..." v087mxgb@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu | set@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu University @ Buffalo|Graduate School of Mechanical Engineering CAD Engineering|Leica, Inc.|PO Box 123|Buffalo, NY 14240-0123|(716)891-3375 #! rnews 1440 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 14:42:36 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 14:44:16 GMT Subject: Performance of HP/Apollo 9000/425t??? Message-ID: <1990Dec18.144236.15864@ccad.uiowa.edu> Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!uunet!ns-mx!ccad.uiowa.edu!timv Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp Sender: timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson) Followup-to: comp.benchmarks Lines: 18 Xref: hplabs comp.benchmarks:245 comp.sys.apollo:2093 comp.sys.hp:1999 I am interested in obtaining benchmark information for HP 9000/425t workstations (if any of the '040 machines are actually out there :-). SPECmarks would be of most interest as I can compare these with info from other vendors. If you have other benchmarks I would be interested in seeing results for it on other workstations so I have a basis for comparision. I do NOT need MIPS or MFLOPS ratings, I have these. BTW, I would be running DOMAIN/OS, but results from either environment would be useful. Thanks, --tv -- Timothy VanFosson E-mail : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu Senior Systems Analyst US Mail : CAD-Research University of Iowa 228 ERF Phone : (319) 335-5728 Iowa City, Iowa 52242 #! rnews 1108 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: gaspar@urz.unibas.ch Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 10:36:11 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 14:44:17 GMT Subject: LasetJet print driver for DeskJet? Message-ID: <1990Dec18.113611.1256@urz.unibas.ch> Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!ucsd!usc!samsung!uunet!mcsun!cernvax!chx400!urz.unibas.ch!gaspar Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Lines: 16 Hello DeskJet Experts! I just downloaded a printer driver (dvi-jep) for a HP LaserJet. Because I know that the DeskJet Plus is (almoast) fully compatible with the LJ, I wanted to use it. But the printout was quite funny! Internal fonts were used and the characters were overlapping some- times. After looking at the printout file, I saw that softfonts are being downloaded. In my DeskJet Plus printer manual it says that softfonts can only be used if you have a memory upgrade. Now, before I spend some money on that I want to be sure that this would really solve the problem. Does anybody have a clue? thanks for any help. laci #! rnews 2063 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: gz@pta.oz.au (Electric Blue) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 22:47:18 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:19:36 GMT Subject: Re: Re^2: Query on HP Hard Drives Message-ID: <2985@pta.oz.au> Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hpcc05!hp-ptp!hp-ses!hpsdel!sdd.hp.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!yarra!pta!gz Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.periphs.scsi References: <18382@netcom.UUCP> Followup-to: comp.sys.hp Lines: 35 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:1935 comp.periphs.scsi:965 In article <18382@netcom.UUCP>, katcher@netcom.UUCP (Jeff Katcher) writes: > I'd really appeciate it if someone could identify the two HP > hard disk drives I bought at a sale last week. > > #1 is an HP 97544SF which I am pretty sure is a 396MB (unformatted) > SCSI drive. > > #2 is an HP 97536F which is a SCSI drive, but I know nothing beyond that. > The list of HP drives I have, shows a 97530S series, at 136, 204, or 408 > MB, and a 97540S series at 396-793 MB. The HP97536 drive is physically 1663 cylinders in size, with physical cylinder 776, track 0 reserved for the log track, physical cylinders 776 (except for track 0) to 794 used for sector sparing, and physical cylinder 795 is the native CE cylinder (which is unaccesible to the user). The user data area is 1643 cylinders in size. One of the user data cylinders is reserved, and another is the user CE cylinder. Also note that the disk contains 64, 256-byte sectors per track. The HP97544 has 1447 cylinders, 8 heads and 14(?) sectors. Login name: gz In real life: George Zisis. Phone +61 2 415 0515 O. O .O -m---------- \.#-#./ ----mmm-------- .'#####`. -------mmmmmm----- / | | \ ----------mmmmmmmmm-- --------------------|-------------------- Fly Inverted .... | .... It confuses the hell Out of the ducks.... #! rnews 5521 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rjn@hpfcso.HP.COM (Bob Niland) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 05:50:56 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:15:17 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Serial LaserJet printing! Message-ID: <7370267@hpfcso.HP.COM> Organization: Hewlett-Packard/FSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!rjn Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpfcso.HP.COM References: <1990Nov27.111210@dali.gatech.edu> re: > I connected an HP laserJet Series II to my HPUX 370 serial port > using a cable I built to go from the 370's 9 pin RS-232 to the > printer's 25 pin RS-232. Cables to use: 92221P direct 9M to 25M, or... 98561-61604 9M-25F adaptor plus 40242G or 13242G You need to bring DTR in on CTS to get the hardware flow control. You also need to set a bit in the device file minor number to turn on CTS detection in the host. Also request the latest serial driver from your HP support person. Earlier ones may not do CTS correctly. The following covers more than just CTS.... re: Advanced Serial Driver Date: 27 Nov 90 Here are the things you can control on the 400 #1 and 345/375 serial port with the 7.05 or pre-release 7.0/7.03 driver. Some of this is not yet documented in any published manuals. Contact your HP support representative for a copy of the driver. Have them contact me if they don't have it. Permissions Owner Group Major Minor Last write File name crw--w--w- 1 root crm 1 0x090000 Feb 28 09:39 tty09 crw-rw-rw- 1 root other 1 0x090001 Nov 4 1988 cua09 crw-rw-rw- 1 root other 1 0x090001 Feb 12 14:17 cul09 # # example LP files # crw--w--w- 1 root bin 1 0x0900cc Mar 19 11:44 lp crw-rw-rw- 1 lp bin 1 0x0900cc Mar 1 1989 rlp ^^^^^^^^ | __________________________/ / | V TERMINALS: 0xScPoAc where Sc = card select code (05, 06, 09) Po = port number (98642); 00 for other cards Ac = access type Access type bit fields: AABB CDEF AA = receive fifo trigger level 00 = 1 01 = 4 10 = 8 11 = 14 (not on select codes 5 & 6) BB = effective tx fifo size 00 = 12 (16 on all other buffered cards) 01 = 8 10 = 4 11 = 1 AA only on 345/375 built-in ports 05, 06, 09, 98628A, 98638A and 98642A BB only on 345/375 built-in port 09, 98628A, 98638A and 98642A C = 0 hardware handshake disabled (CTS/RTS) C = 1 hardware handshake enabled CTS available on all built-in 05, 06, 09, 98626A, 98628A, 98638A and 98642A port 0 RTS available on 345/375/400 built-in 09 D = 0 modem (or modem eliminator) D = 1 direct connect Not supported on 98642A ports 1,2,3 E = 0 US modems E = 1 CCITT mode (for European modem support) Not supported on 98642A ports 1,2,3 F = 0 call-in port F = 1 call-out port (for cu* devices) In addition, UNIX (HP-UX) routinely allows control of the following items. See the termio(7) manual page in the HP-UX Reference Manual for details. speed 19200 baud; line = 0; susp <undef>; dsusp <undef> intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^H; kill = ^U; swtch = ^@ eof = ^D; eol = ^@; min = 4; time = 0; stop = ^S; start = ^Q -parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb -hupcl cread clocal -loblk -crts -ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc ixon ixany -ixoff -ienqak isig icanon iexten -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel -tostop Note "ienqak" is ignored on the 300 and 800. # example /etc/inittab entries (don't use both on the same port) # 09:2:respawn:/etc/getty -h tty09 HST 09:2:respawn:/etc/getty -h lp LPH {if using CTS flow control} 09:2:respawn:/etc/getty -h lp LP {if not} # example customized /etc/gettydef entries # The "LP" and "LPH" entry keeps the port properly configure for unspooled I/O. # LP# B19200 SANE CS8 ONLCR CLOCAL IXON IXANY TAB3 OPOST ###LP LPH# B19200 SANE CS8 ONLCR CLOCAL TAB3 OPOST ###LPH HST# B19200 SANE HUPCL CS8 ISTRIP IXON IXOFF # B19200 SANE HUPCL CS8 ISTRIP IXON IXOFF #HST login: #HST # example /usr/lib/uucp/Devices entries (HST modem) # <type> <cul> <cua> <speed> PROG/usr/lib/dialit <type> /dev/<cul> \T \S \P Direct tty09 0 19200 direct Direct cul09 0 19200 direct ACUHP92205A cul09 cua09 19200 hp92205A Regards, Hewlett-Packard Bob Niland 3404 East Harmony Road Internet: rjn@hpfcrjn.FC.HP.COM Fort Collins UUCP: [hplabs|hpu*!hpfcse]!hpfcrjn!rjn CO 80525-9599 This response does not represent the official position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard Company. The above data is provided for informational purposes only. It is supplied without warranty of any kind. #! rnews 1055 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: wehr@fmeed1.UUCP (Bruce Wehr) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 1990 12:48:40 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:33 GMT Subject: Re: Re: how to get longer file names? Message-ID: <8983@fmeed1.UUCP> Organization: Ford Electronics Division, Dearborn MI Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!rphroy!teemc!fmeed1!wehr Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec6.123154@dali.gatech.edu> Keywords: file names longer help Lines: 12 In article <1990Dec6.123154@dali.gatech.edu>, mike@penguin.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) writes: > > I don't suppose that there is any way to allow my file > names to be longer that 14 characters, is there? 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Box 2053, Room 1153, Dearborn, Michigan 48121-2053 (313)337-5304 #! rnews 9176 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mikeg@dali.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 16:19:08 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:33 GMT Subject: Re: Questions about HPUX 8.0, X11R4, HP policy Message-ID: <1990Dec17.111908@dali.gatech.edu> Organization: Georgia Tech Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!gatech!prism!dali.gatech.edu!mikeg Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu> <101950170@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Reply-To: mikeg@dali.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) Keywords: get real Lines: 229 John Milburn replies to my original article: }The only reason you don't have support is because you }choose not to. WRONG. The "only" reason I do not have support is that I do not run GTRI, that support is considered unaffordable, and in the past, we have not had good experience with HP computers. (We have great expereience with other hardware HP makes, like their 8510 network analyzer, I must say.) }If you really want a full X implementation, get the MIT }distribution and compile it yourself. As I posted, I do not have the disk space for doing that, since there can be NO down time for X on this, I need a running copy of R3 to run while I have the R4 source, object files, libraries and binaries. That's quite a bit more than I can fit. --------------------------------------------- Harry Phinney writes: } previously announced in this group }Not all local HP representatives have the time to keep up on news/notes }(apparently some posters don't either). Some of the posters have not read this group and all of its messages since the beginning of time. I have only had this box for one quarter. As for "Not all local HP reps..." having time to keep up with news, my reps don't have InterNet access, much less news from this group. } This server is available from: }hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.15) in the file: }If you need some of the libraries not distributed with HP-UX, you can get }These contain both libXaw and libXmu. Get the README file in that }same directory for information on unpacking these archives. I have asked some times before, and got no reply, cincerning the Athena Widgets. My local rep told me that they were simply not available for HP. Naturally she's wrong, since at the very most inconvenient, one can make X from the MIT distribution, which (as an HP person points out) is not an optimal solution by any means. In fact, the main two reasons (in order) for me wanting to use R4 is an strong need for the GKS libraries, and generally R4 runs things that R3 does not that I want to run. }While new versions do indeed contain bug fixes, they also generally }contain significant new functionality. Do you believe it is free for us }to continue to improve and enhance our products? You may not care }whether I get paid, but I do. My salary comes from customers who }purchase our products. If we simply give away all future work, where }will my salary come from? As I posted, there is no such thing as new functionality as far as UNIX is concerned. Translated from HPese, this means "bug fixes," and "putting in standard UNIX libraries that HPUX lacked." Don't get sappy about your pay. Obviously GTRI does purchase HP products. If we don't buy the "software support," you'll still get paid. Whether HP pays you to do a complete, running version of UNIX, or an incomplete, buggy version of some weird hybrid of two flavors of UNIX is my concern. I'd rather you get payed for a good job. If HP tells you that incomplete, and bugs, are okay, then you can't help it. Fine. That's between HP and their customers, not you and their customers. Do not tell me that I or any set of customers is responsible for your pay. Whether that is true or not is irrelevant to this discussion. However, if you want to take up the matter of your pay with me, then I will take up the matter of a lousy job of programming with you. I'd rather keep this impersonal, and give the programmers the benefit of the doubt, and hope that no self respecting systems programmer would give their blessing to what is running on my machine right now. I'd rather like to think that HP said that "this is good enough for government work," and not give the programmers a part in the decision to market this OS. If you want to tell me that you condone HPUX 7.0, and that you think it is acceptable, then I see no problem with it being free, and you not getting payed. I suggest you drop this line of reasoning, and leave further comments about your pay out of this. ] X is in the public domain. }No, X is not in the public domain. The code from the MIT X Consortium }is copyrighted by a host of people and corporations, including HP. What's your point? GNU software is also copyrighted. I call it PD. If there is some legal technicality of words here, then maybe PD is not the term. I mean free, legal to distribute, use etc. I mean that I don't have to pay for it. If that is what PD means, then X is in the public domain. ] HP makes so called `inhancements' }I don't think we've ever claimed to make any "inhancements":-) That's that the local representative called them. }We have }certainly made enhancements to the X server to allow our Starbase, GKS, }and PHIGS libraries to better operate within the X environment, and to GKS and PHIGS work? Those are what I'm looking for. That's the reason I want R4 (other reasons less important.) I want to avoid implementing GKS, and R4 has it. If HP has it the I'm happy for Christmas. Now, where is my present? Where do I get a working copy of GKS for my HP? }take advantage of some of the features of our particular graphics }systems. We have also added input extensions to allow the server to }deal with multiple and varied input devices, and have donated this input }code back to the MIT X Consortium. Please understand that we }participate in the MIT X releases precisely because we know that some }customers require the latest-greatest version of X more quickly than we }can "productize" it. These customers (quite possibly including }yourself) are more than welcome to use the code distributed by MIT, but }must realize that it will lack some of the above-mentioned enhancements }and has not undergone the same level of testing as our product releases. I don't care if it's supported. }While ranting and flaming may make one feel a bit better during moments }of frustration, it doesn't help motivate anyone else to provide }assistance. I know. Money helps motivate anyone to provide assistance. ----------------------------------- Jim B. Byers replies: }The MIT tape contains a huge mix of MIT blessed/authored "core" }programs, and a large bunch of contributed programs that are in }various states of quality and reliability. Which ones are of interest }to you? Athena Widgets, GKS, and PHIGS are of interest to me. Are those considered by HP to be unreliable, and low quality } If they all are, have you considered installing the MIT tape }itself? Which one would you expect us to answer questions on if }they were provided? Which ones would you expect us to bugfix if }you were on support services and found a problem? If I were on support, I would expect support for Athena Widgets, GKS and PHIGS. }My 2 cents is that I see considerable effort going into new }functionality. I expect that I will pay to upgrade to new versions }of any software I use be it Unix, Dos or whatever. Nothing is free. Wrong. GNU, and X are free to be used by us. }If all future releases were free then it would cost more upfront [sic]. This }would be unfair to those who buy a product and rarely upgrade. It is unfair to pay any money for a UNIX port and have it not work. If some people do not need UNIX to work, then they get a bargain out of "software support," because they do not need it. I use much of what would be UNIX if HPUX implemented it. }We worked quite hard to assure that }the MIT stuff will compile up correctly on our machines. } We also went to }great effort to provide screen drivers so that one could compile the }MIT server and still get good performance. the MIT stuff will compile up }correctly on our machines. As it should be, since you advertise that these boxes run X. }Where have you found or X11 to be incompatible? Compatibility with }the standard release is religion here. We certainly add things that }people have said they needed (devices other than a mouse and keyboard), }the sox11 driver, Access to the 3D accelerators - but were have we }lost compatibility? Oh, that's an easy one. There are plenty of public domain programs that expect Athena Widgets that do not compile. I even had one program that used Motif widgets (one of the few I've found) that tried to use some Motif Widgets that were not on my machine, which is supposed to have it. As far as UNIX programs, I won't even bother telling you much more than that is a very, very uninformed, naive question, and a ridiculous claim. I agree thoroughly with Brian Bartholome's comments in his reply in this thread. #! rnews 2828 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: burzio@mmlai.UUCP (Tony Burzio) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 16:05:27 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:34 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Dream System (sort of) Message-ID: <54@gauss.mmlai.UUCP> Organization: Martin Marietta Labs, Baltimore Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mmlai!burzio Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Keywords: Rolls Royce, but poor marketing... Lines: 45 >I've posted this so amny other places, I might as well post it here >too. We have $150,000 to spend on hardware for a computer >graphics visualization system. Currently, we have an Apollo netwrok >with about 25 nodes. We're looking to do animation of finite >element analysis results and CFD stuff. Obviously, at this >dollar level we'll get a lot of CPU speed. > >What would you buy? HP, Apollo, SGI, SUN, STARDENT? How would >you configure your dream system. Why, HP or course! Regardless of the abysmal marketing ploys by HP (i.e. none :-), the 835 TurboVRX is a real corker! Running SDRC IDEAS in X Window System mode, you should have your socks blown off! Nice animations too, and they are VERY fast. If you can wait, the "snake" replacement for the 800 series, around the spring(ish), should give you alarming speed (50+ MIPS?)! If you really want mucho bang-for-the-buck, get a 400 TurboVRX. As fast as a Sparc (until the $2K 68040 upgrade arrives, then twice as fast) but more capable because most of the processing of graphics is offloaded to the TurboVRX. Some notes on the 835: This processor is rated around 12 HP MIPS, or 15 the way Sun counts them. The difference between a Sparc and the 835 is multi-user access (or one user doing two things, like the 37 processes that SDRC spawns off while X is running :-) The Sparc will die at process two, because of hardware limitations (see old .arch postings for details), while the 835 will chug along unhindered while around 8 CPU burdened jobs are running. Another marketing secret at HP is the stability of HP-UX, HPs' UNIX variant. Very easy to use, and it works great (as long as you use Suns' manuals to figure out UUCP :-) The local HP support (at least for the moment, the recession may change things) is SUPERB!!!! Buy from HPs' remarketing or demo sales. You usually get 50% off on currently produced systems. A computer that has run for a while is much more reliable than a "new" one. We got 2 GB of disk for the price of one. All our "used" parts are under contract and are still running after three years. ********************************************************************* Tony Burzio * Time to SKI!!! Martin Marietta Labs * mmlab!burzio@uunet.uu.net * ********************************************************************* #! rnews 4909 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: bb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian Bartholomew) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 03:35:47 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:56 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Dream System (sort of) Message-ID: <25849@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Organization: UF CIS Dept. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!caen!uflorida!reef.cis.ufl.edu!bb Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <54@gauss.mmlai.UUCP> Sender: news@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU Keywords: Rolls Royce, but poor marketing... Lines: 92 In article <54@gauss.mmlai.UUCP> you write: > I've posted this so amny other places, I might as well post it here > too. We have $150,000 to spend on hardware for a computer graphics > visualization system. Currently, we have an Apollo netwrok with about > 25 nodes. We're looking to do animation of finite element analysis > results and CFD stuff. Obviously, at this dollar level we'll get a lot > of CPU speed. > What would you buy? HP, Apollo, SGI, SUN, STARDENT? How would you > configure your dream system. Usually I agree with what Tony says, but in this case I almost completely disagree. Here's why: The *first* rule of computer purchasing is to select the software you want to run, then find a computer that runs it. Fast hardware is useless without powerful and flexible software to use it. *Useless*! For a start, compare the size of Sun's SPARCware catalog (about 1200 pages, three applications per page) with HP's equivalent software catalog. If you can find a close enough match and are happy with the HP selections, fine. Just remember that you are choosing from a substantially smaller pool of applications than you would with Sun. [Tony paraphrased: The HP 800 series with graphics accelleration is the fastest machine this week] Let's see SPECmarks, not MIPS! What do MIPS mean when comparing between RISC (SPARC) and CISC (800?) architectures? Let's see performance comparisons between equally-priced Sun and HP configurations. [Tony paraphrased: The 835 deals better with multiple CPU-intensive users on the same machine] I have no data to indicate if this is true or not, and in fact sounds like a tuning problem (i.e. don't run an animation machine on 8 megs of RAM). Assuming that it is real, is this capability useful, given that this guy needs a head for each seat, to display animation on? > Another marketing secret at HP is the stability of HP-UX, HPs' UNIX > variant. Very easy to use, and it works great (as long as you use > Suns' manuals to figure out UUCP :-) The local HP support (at least > for the moment, the recession may change things) is SUPERB!!!! As long-time readers of this group know, this is one of my favorite complaints about HP workstations. HP-UX is consistantly behind SunOS in terms of features, most notably networking features. Within the first week of getting our new HP 9000/345 workstations with the pre-installed software (including X Release 2 - yum-yum), we had managed to crash or hang 3 of the 7 machines, at least once. At the time, we were taking particular care not to do anything unreasonable on them, as we didn't have backups of the disk (and the OS tapes failed upon installation). I don't know about Tony's area, but at the University of Florida (the premier Florida Engineering University, perhaps one of the big 3 or 4 in the Southeast) the HP reps are incredibly uninformed about the workstation product line. It is extremely difficult to impossible to get such things as patch tapes out of our sales reps. The telephone-based tech support is much better, but usually we have questions that go over their heads. And,they keep referring us to the local reps for patch tapes (!) The local Sun reps are rather more clued-in, but perhaps not overwhelmingly so. However, the existance of Sun-manager mailing lists, informal ftp sites for patches, and other such net resources makes expert support just 8 hours and a mail message away. I know that HP is attempting to start participating in this milieu, but they are very far from there yet. Besides, it seems that a very large percentage of the software posted on the net has been developed on Sun 3 or 4 computers. That saves an awful lot of porting time when that hot new piece of free data- visualization software comes NNTP'ing down the net. Examples: KHOROS (~100 Megs of source), NCSA-something. [Tony paraphrased: buy cheap, slightly used or demo] I agree, as long as you get the warranty, like he suggests. One last note: anyone who cares to dispute these points should attack my facts, not my attitude. -- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Bartholomew UUCP: ...gatech!uflorida!mathlab.math.ufl.edu!bb University of Florida Internet: bb@math.ufl.edu #! rnews 2230 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: bb@sandbar.cis.ufl.edu (Brian Bartholomew) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 1990 06:39:11 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:15:55 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Dream System (sort of) Message-ID: <25876@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Organization: UF CIS Dept. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!sandbar.cis.ufl.edu!bb Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <54@gauss.mmlai.UUCP> <25849@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> <1990Dec11.193127.23709@actrix.gen.nz> Sender: news@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU Keywords: Rolls Royce, but poor marketing... Lines: 41 jlol@REMUS.EE.BYU.EDU (Jay Lawlor) & paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) > The Series 800 is based on HP-PA, which is RISC. The series 300 and > 400 are 680x0, which is CISC. Oops. Foot-in-newsfeed syndrome. The comparison I drew was between Sun 4 (RISC) and 800 (RISC, I now learn). I still want to see SPECmarks between equally-priced systems. jlol@REMUS.EE.BYU.EDU (Jay Lawlor) > HP's getting better in this area. You can't catch up all at once. > Otherwise you'd have bug distribution lists the size of Sun's lists. I have heard reports that HP is funding some academic institution in Utah to port true BSD to the 400 line. Jay, could this perhaps be your institution? If so, are you able (legally and properly) to make a progress report to this newsgroup? > Well, we have R3 and are running an R4 server from HP that works > great. All of our (CIS, Math) Suns are completely running R4. This would be an empty point save that I am told the R3->R4 upgrade mainly consisted of bug fixes. The (non-)reliability of R2 on the 345's seems to suggest that as well. > I guess it depends on where you live. The ee dept here won't buy any > more Suns because of the "quality" of support they received. Our HP > support has been much better. Uh, what was your rep's name again? :-) -- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Bartholomew UUCP: ...gatech!uflorida!mathlab.math.ufl.edu!bb University of Florida Internet: bb@math.ufl.edu #! rnews 1942 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mjs@hpfcso.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 1990 17:49:33 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:18:16 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Dream System (sort of) Message-ID: <7370270@hpfcso.HP.COM> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!mjs Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpfcso.HP.COM References: <54@gauss.mmlai.UUCP> Another "fact" that needs clarification is the inferrence that somehow SPEC numbers are more "meaningful" than MIPS numbers when comparing RISC vs. CISC. This would be true only if MIPS really did mean "Millions of Instructions Per Second". However, no one actually calculates MIPS ratings that way any more. They are calculated *exactly* the same way as SPEC numbers are - ie, you run a few benchmarks, divide by the time the same benchmarks take on a VAX, and produce some sort of average. RISC/CISC is entirely orthogonal to this. SPEC ratings differ from MIPS rating in three important respects. The MIPS benchmarks are almost entirely integer, almost entirely C, and almost entirely "toys" (ie, Dhrystone). The SPEC suite is more floating point intensive and uses a lot of Fortran, and includes more "real" applications. Neither suite tells you much about overall system performance - except for gcc in SPEC, none do much I/O, or use much VM; none attempt any graphics, networking, etc. In theory, because of the way the numbers are generated, SPECmarks would always equal MIPS ratings. This is almost never true in practice, though - MIPS numbers are artificially inflated because several of the benchmarks in the suite are unrealistic "meatballs" for an optimizer to speed up. -------------- Marc Sabatella (marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com) Disclaimers: 2 + 2 = 3, for suitably small values of 2 Bill and Dave may not always agree with me #! rnews 2014 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mikeg@dali.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 16:35:43 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:42 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Dream System (sort of) Message-ID: <1990Dec17.113543@dali.gatech.edu> Organization: Georgia Tech Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!apple!ames!ncar!gatech!prism!dali.gatech.edu!mikeg Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec14.095519.14818@hellgate.utah.edu> <BB.90Dec15033453@beach.cis.ufl.edu> Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Reply-To: mikeg@dali.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) Keywords: silly silly silly stupid Lines: 34 In article <BB.90Dec15033453@beach.cis.ufl.edu>, bb@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian Bartholomew) writes: |> In article <1990Dec14.095519.14818@hellgate.utah.edu> |> mjb%hoosier.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Mark Bradakis) writes: |> |> > We have a student lab with 40 machines in it. Half are HP 400t |> > machines and half are Suns, a mix of Sparcstation 1 and SLCs or some |> > such. Usually when I go over there and the lab is only half used, |> > nearly all the students are sitting in front of the Hewlett Packard |> > machines, only one or two are using Suns. Remember that TV commercial |> > where the two people are asking "Which is the best computer?" It is |> > indeed the one that people use. |> |> Here are some easy questions to ask, that might clarify the situation: |> |> Are the HP's color and the Sun's mono (SLC's are)? |> Is there software used locally that only runs on the HP's? |> Is the local support and system defaults concentrated on the HP's? Some more such questions: Does speed not matter? The Sparcs are much (10x?) faster. Are the HP's the only machines with local drives? If the Suns are using remote-mounted drives (diskless Suns), then they'll seem slower. Do you do anything with multi-threaded processing? Do you use/program UNIX as part of the projects that use the machines? Do the students program X? Do they use X? #! rnews 927 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: chan@hpfcmgw.HP.COM (Chan Benson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 21:54:18 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:20:14 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Dream System (sort of) Message-ID: <1080179@hpfcmgw.HP.COM> Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!chan Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.7.5 (840 Contrib) 87/2/5; site hpfcmgw.HP.COM References: <1990Dec14.095519.14818@hellgate.utah.edu> > Does speed not matter? The Sparcs are much (10x?) faster. I'm willing to admit some advantages to Sun, but the Sparcstation I is about the same performance as the 400t. At the worst the multiplier is some number greater than one and less than two. It's certainly nowhere near ten. -- Chan If all the false statistics presented on usenet in a year were placed end to end they would circle the equator 50,000 times. #! rnews 1296 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: chan@hpfcmgw.HP.COM (Chan Benson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:36:36 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:20:46 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Dream System (sort of) Message-ID: <17780001@hpfcmgw.HP.COM> Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!chan Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.7.5 (840 Contrib) 87/2/5; site hpfcmgw.HP.COM References: <1990Dec14.095519.14818@hellgate.utah.edu> Previously, I posted this and then tried to delete too late... >> Does speed not matter? The Sparcs are much (10x?) faster. > >I'm willing to admit some advantages to Sun, but the Sparcstation I is >about the same performance as the 400t. At the worst the multiplier is >some number greater than one and less than two. It's certainly nowhere >near ten. > > -- Chan > >If all the false statistics presented on usenet in a year were placed >end to end they would circle the equator 50,000 times. OOOOOOOOOPSSSSSSSSSSSS! And I'm doing my part to make that happen. I should have qualified my performance statement with the word "integer". The SparcStation I is 3 to 4 times faster than the 400t on floating point benchmarks. The 68040 upgrade will pretty much close that gap. -- Chan #! rnews 1246 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: paulp@hpfcdc.HP.COM (Paul Perlmutter) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 14:52:47 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:15:24 GMT Subject: Re: Strange (??) behaviour of DAT drive Message-ID: <5570552@hpfcdc.HP.COM> Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hpfcdc!paulp Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.3 1990/04/18; site hpfcdc.HP.COM References: <4522@ruuinf.cs.ruu.nl> > I ... unload the tape from my workstation ... by issueing the command: # mt -t /dev/rmt/0m offl The unit ejects the tape. ... However, everytime I do this, I get this message in "/usr/adm/messages" via "dmegs -": SCSI: Status bytes: 70 0 2 0 0 0 0 b 0 0 0 0 3a 0 0 0 1 0 0 SCSI (dev 0xd0500) sense key: Not_ready Load operation requested sense_code: Medium not present SCSI: CCL error: 1 status This is a bug in the 7.0 DAT driver. It can be safely ignored. The reason? After the tape is successfully ejected, the driver during the tape "close" routine will issue a reposition command to the non-cartridge and the request fails. Other than the spurious error message, no other action occurs, thus you can forget the message. #! rnews 2138 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: louxj@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (John W. Loux) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 17:37:29 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:32 GMT Subject: Re: HELP from HP 48sx and 28s users Message-ID: <1990Dec10.173729.18396@usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU> Organization: Solve and Integrate - Dept. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!rutgers!orstcs!usenet!jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU!louxj Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <562@shum.UUCP> Sender: @usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU Lines: 40 Nntp-Posting-Host: jacobs.cs.orst.edu In article <562@shum.UUCP> dmtg@vms.huji.ac.il writes: > > HELLO there > I seek programs solving algebric arrays (arrays including vars) >giving output in algebric form .In return I developed few multygrid solving >programs if anyone in need. > THANKS DAVID Hi, First of all, the UseNet group that deals with the 48SX and 28S is comp.sys.handhelds. You will find much more discussion about these calculators there. There have even been a couple of ``symbollic matrix'' programs posted. Other than that, there is the HP BBS (503-750-4448) available to Internet people via telnet at hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com. You can also FTP anonymousely to that address, but only the more popular code files from the BBS are posted there. Finally, if all goes well, Solve and Integrate (my company) will shortly be distributing disk copies of the BBS information. If all else fails, send me email, I have archived several (both?) of the symbollic array programs. As to your software, there is almost never a quastion of anyone wanting software that someone else has developed. Most often it is ``how do I get it?'' In other words, yes please post your programs to comp.sys.handhelds and/or the HP BBS. From either place your software contribution will be distributed to other archive sites and BBSes so that anyone who wants/needs what you have developed can easily get to it. Hope I've helped. John W. Loux Solve and Integrate Corp. orstcs.cs.orst.edu!solvint!john jacobs.cs.orst.edu!louxj john@solvint.UUCP #! rnews 1606 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: hm@hcshh.UUCP (Hellmuth Michaelis) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 1990 14:18:59 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:33 GMT Subject: Recovery of a 9000/800 system after a disk-crash Message-ID: <353@hcshh.UUCP> Organization: HCS GmbH, Hamburg, Europe Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!uunet!mcsun!unido!hcshh!hm Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Keywords: recovery, disk-crash, mkrs Lines: 22 A week ago we had a disk-crash on our 9000/825. We were in the lucky situation of having just made a fullbackup using fbackup, but when trying to restore the system, i recognized the missing of a minimal HP-UX like the one we made on our 300-system with the 'mkrs'-script. On the HP-PA support tape the frestore was missing, so we completly re- installed the operating system until we were able to use frestore to restore our backup-tapes. Then we read through all the documentation of the 800, but we did'nt found any hints like the one provided with the 300 ("Disaster Recovery"). So, 1. is there an easier method after such a crash to restore my backups and 2. where can i find information/documentation on this subject. Any pointers are very welcome ! Thanks, Hellmuth ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hellmuth Michaelis HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Hamburg, Europe uucp: hm@hcshh.UUCP (..!mcsun!unido!hcshh!hm) phone: +49 40 5501075 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ #! rnews 1114 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: stoler@seas.gwu.edu (Rich Stoler) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 17:19:12 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:36 GMT Subject: Software Help Message-ID: <2434@sparko.gwu.edu> Organization: The George Washington University, Washington D.C. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!!stoler Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,alt.sys.sun Sender: news@seas.gwu.edu Reply-To: stoler@seas.gwu.edu (Rich Stoler) Followup-to: comp.sys.hp Lines: 12 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:1901 alt.sys.sun:1462 This doesn't appear to have gotten out but sorry if it is a repeat. I am looking for a piece of software called grap which takes plot data and translates it into a format known to/useable by troff. If anyone has said software on a sun or an hp workstation/server can he please let me know? Thanks. -- Rich Stoler, Senior Systems Prgrammer, George Washington University SEAS Computing Facility, 725 23rd St NW, Washington DC 20052 stoler@seas.gwu.edu -or- uunet!gwusun!stoler #! rnews 1160 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mike%jaguar.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Mike Hibler) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 17:26:19 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:38 GMT Subject: A1401A DIO-II to DIO adapters for 400s Message-ID: <1990Dec10.102619.6775@hellgate.utah.edu> Organization: University of Utah CS Dept Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!jaguar.utah.edu!mike Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Distribution: usa Lines: 19 Anybody know anything about these pups? I just tried one in a 400s with a selection of DIO cards: 98642A 4-port MUX works 98625B HP-IB ROM identifies and then "UNEXPECTED USE OF FFFFFFAC" 98658A SCSI ROM identifies and then hangs I get a Really Bad Feeling from this, it sounds like devices which do DMA don't work. The most comprehensive documentation I have seen on these adapters is from a price quotation and says: "Converts DIO-II interface in Model 400s to DIO. Includes all hardware and instructions." No documentation was included with any of the 6 adapters we received. Mike Hibler mike@cs.utah.edu ...!utah-cs!mike #! rnews 1085 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: sandin@uicbert.eecs.uic.edu (Dan Sandin) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 22:16:35 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:45 GMT Subject: HP 9000/835 to HP PaintJet XL Driver Message-ID: <1990Dec10.221635.3440@uicbert.eecs.uic.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uicbert.eecs.uic.edu!sandin Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Distribution: comp.sys.hp Keywords: paintjet srx driver Lines: 11 Summary: Need paintjet driver HP Just gave us a paintjet XL, the kind with the HPIB interface, so our only choice is to hook it up to our HP 9000/835. That's just fine by me, 'cos that particular workstation is de facto mine. One more toy for me to play with. But, since it was a gift, and got lost for 6 mo, etc, there is no driver. Our contact at HP is supposed to be getting us the driver, but if anyone else could FTP it to me, it would be pretty nice. adTHANKSvance stephan meyers c/o sandin@uicbert.eecs.uic.edu #! rnews 1155 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: kees@ee.ualberta.ca (Kees denHartigh) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 23:48:26 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:49 GMT Subject: scsi controllers for HP9000-835? Message-ID: <1990Dec10.234826.7499@ee.ualberta.ca> Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!edson!news Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Distribution: na Sender: news@ee.ualberta.ca Reply-To: kees@ee.ualberta.ca (Kees denHartigh) Lines: 11 I am looking to increase the disk space on my HP9000-835 machines Presently we employ HPIB controllers to some rather antiquated Hard Drives. I was hoping to purchase some scsi controllers (If available for the 835 series) and attach some cheaper scsi drives to the system. Has anybody got any suggestions? Do's and dont's? -- Kees denHartigh kees@ee.ualberta.ca Electrical Engineering Digital Labs alberta!bode!kees University of Alberta 238 Civil Elect Voice (403)492-5421 Edmonton, Alberta Canada Fax (403)492-1811 #! rnews 1308 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rocky@polyof.poly.edu (A1 rocky shiotsuki (staff) ) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 18:47:01 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:52 GMT Subject: Help, cc said "Symbol table overflow" Message-ID: <1990Dec9.184701.22354@polyof.poly.edu> Organization: Polytechnic University Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!yale!cmcl2!polyof!rocky Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Lines: 26 Hi netpeople, Please advice me for my problem. I try to compile a C source code on HP 9000 series 400 as followed: cc -c -g TtyText.c then the compiler gave a error message that Symbol table overflow. Try the -Wc,-Ns option. Ok, I try again with option cc -c -g -Wc,-Ns TtyText.c the compiler stil gave me a error that , line 0: warning: Table size specified too small (ignored) Symbol table overflow. Try the -Wc,-Ns option. I'm new to unix system, I never see this error message before on anyother unix system. How can I bigger symbol table? Thanks in advance... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rocky Shiotsuki Internet: rocky@puscs.poly.edu Systems Programmer 128.238.5.8 Polytechnic University 333 Jay Street, Brooklyn, New York 11201 #! rnews 947 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: gates@hpfcdc.HP.COM (Bill Gates) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 1990 19:22:03 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:15:56 GMT Subject: Re: Help, cc said "Symbol table overflow" Message-ID: <5570549@hpfcdc.HP.COM> Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hpfcdc!gates Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.3 1990/04/18; site hpfcdc.HP.COM References: <1990Dec9.184701.22354@polyof.poly.edu> > Symbol table overflow. Try the -Wc,-Ns option. If you check out the cc(1) man page in the HP-UX reference, you'll see that -N is the global option you need, "s" is the sub-option stating which table is to be re-sized, and a following number is the desired number of entries. The default number of entries in the symbol table is 2000. You can increase its size with something like: -Wc,-Ns4000 Hope this helps, Bill Gates #! rnews 1061 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: robs@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Rob Slotemaker CRC) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 1990 07:51:36 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 01:18:14 GMT Subject: Re: Help, cc said "Symbol table overflow" Message-ID: <28510009@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com> Organization: HP-Sales Office-The Netherlands Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hpcc05!hpgva1!hpuamsa!robs Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1990Dec9.184701.22354@polyof.poly.edu> Lines: 19 You must specify a number, like: cc -c -g -Wc,-Ns4000 TtyText.c See cc(1) for more information. Default values are: - a = 10000; Maximum size of the asciz table. - b = 100; Maximum size of the bc table. - d = 1000; Initial size of the dimtab table. - e = 350; Maximum number of nodes per statement. - p = 150; Maximum size of the parameter stack. - s = 2000; Maximum size of the symbol table. - t = 20000; Maximum size of the tasciz table. - w = 250; Maximum size of the switch table stack. Best regards, Rob Slotemaker, Dutch CRC #! rnews 1240 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: ewagar@crash.cts.com (Eric Wagar) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 00:30:53 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:56 GMT Subject: HP Vectra setup program Message-ID: <6246@crash.cts.com> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!sdd.hp.com!usc!ucselx!crash!ewagar Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Keywords: HP Vectra CS, setup.exe, other options Lines: 17 Summary: How does one get the other options available in setup? A few months ago in Byte magazine, someone mentioned that if you typed "yada" at the first menu of the Vectra setup program, another, "secret" menu is given. Are there any other such secret menus, that would enable me to turn the keyclick on (it says you can do this in the instruction manual). Using a "filepeek" type program, there are indeed other choices that are in the program that I can't choose. Please help! Either reply via email, or post to the net. Thanks in advance! -- Eric Wagar ewagar@crash.cts.com | inet ...{nosc,ucsd}!crash!ewagar | uucp crash!ewagar@nosc.mil | arpa ...or... ewagar@ucsd.edu | inet ucsd!ewagar | uucp #! rnews 2222 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: keho@quads.uchicago.edu (thomas david kehoe) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 01:24:25 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:56 GMT Subject: Teaching math with HP calculators Message-ID: <1990Dec11.012425.7739@midway.uchicago.edu> Organization: University of Chicago Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven!mimsy!midway!quads.uchicago.edu!keho Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,sci.math Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Lines: 31 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:1910 sci.math:2943 I'm hoping to get a summer job with Hewlett-Packard, and I'm thinking of writing to them with some ideas for marketing their 48SX and 28S calculators. (I'm working on an MBA at the University of Chicago; the 48SX and 28S sell for about $300 and $200 respectively, and do calculus, algebra, graphing, and about 2000 other things.) The main idea is to develop textbooks for teaching calculus, college algebra, trig, etc., with the calculators. I remember these courses as being long on the mechanics of the chain rule, Gauss-Jordan elimination, etc., and short on solving word problems. With the HP calculators (or computer-based applications), a course could quickly cover the mechanics and get on to setting up and solving word problems. Plus, the graphing functions would also make the concepts easier to understand. Could someone tell me whether there are already courses like this? Do they work well? Do instructors like to offer them? Are they using Macintosh applications, or HP calculators, or what? Are there textbooks? My other idea was just to sell a funny poster about calculus in college bookstores. Maybe commission Gary Larsen to do a "Far Side" about calculus. (I remember the National Lampoon poster of a woman on a beach saying "I love men who know calculus".) Then the back of the poster would have photos of the 48SX and 28S, with copy about how they do calculus. -- "Why my thoughts are my own, when they are in, but when they are out they are another's." - Susanna Martin, executed for witchcraft, 1681. Dave Kehoe keho@midway.uchicago.edu (312) 753-0119 #! rnews 2843 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: keho@quads.uchicago.edu (thomas david kehoe) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 01:28:57 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:57 GMT Subject: Teaching math with HP calculators Message-ID: <1990Dec11.012857.7861@midway.uchicago.edu> Organization: University of Chicago Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven!mimsy!midway!quads.uchicago.edu!keho Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,sci.math Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Lines: 45 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:1911 sci.math:2944 I'm trying to hustle up a summer job with Hewlett-Packard. Do you think they'd go for the following ideas for marketing the HP 48SX and 28S calculators? (I'm working on a MBA at the University of Chicago; the 48SX and 28S sell for about $300 and $200 respectively and do calculus, graphing, algebra, and about 2000 other things.) The main idea is to develop textbooks for calculus, college algrebra, trig, statistics, etc., using the HP 48SX and 28S. The "slant" would be to spend less time on the mechanics of the chain rule, Gauss-Jordan elimination, etc., and more time setting up and solving word problems. I assume that people who use calculus in the "real world" use computer applications or HP calculators instead of doing it by hand. There would also be use of the graphing functions so that students could get a picture of what they're doing. The main point would be that math could be taught better with computers/calculator applications, but teaching faster could be another point. Portland Community College offers a 2-quarter calculus course with the 28S that replaces the 3-quarter calculus course. The 48SX doesn't do statistics as well as Minitab or other statistics applications, so I won't push this. Is this a good idea? Would math instructors want to offer such courses? HP's calculator division has a reputation for producing excellent manuals, so I'm sure the quality of the textbook would be excellent. Is HP already doing this? Have other colleges offered such courses, and how did they work out? My other idea for marketing the 48SX and 28S is to sell a funny poster about calculus in college bookstores. Maybe commision Gary Larsen to do a "Far Side" about calculus. I remember that National Lampoon had a fairly popular poster of a woman on a beach saying "I love men who know calculus." This would be too sexist for the '90's, but something else could work. The back of the poster would have photos of the 48SX and 28S calculators and copy describing how they do calculus. -- "Why my thoughts are my own, when they are in, but when they are out they are another's." - Susanna Martin, executed for witchcraft, 1681. Dave Kehoe keho@midway.uchicago.edu (312) 753-0119 #! rnews 1774 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: walt@bcarh133.uucp (Walt Sullivan) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 12:57:43 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:18:47 GMT Subject: Re: HP 9000/345 keyboard mapping Message-ID: <WALT.90Dec11075743@bcarh133.uucp> Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!cunews!bnrgate!bwdls61.bnr.ca!bwdls58!leibniz!walt Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <409@clbull.cl.bull.fr> Sender: news@bwdls58.UUCP Lines: 37 In-reply-to: oun@cl.bull.fr's message of 7 Dec 90 13:26:55 GMT In article <409@clbull.cl.bull.fr> oun@cl.bull.fr (Jean-Luc Oun) writes: Could some kind soul tell me how to remap the keyboard sequence generated by the "Back space" button of a HP 9000/345 keyboard. Right now, the "Back space" generates the chareacter "^H". So in emacs 18.55, instead of deleting the last char, it just calls the help-for-help Emacs-lisp function. and it drives me crazy :-( :-( For exactly the same reason, I rebound my "Back Space" key to send DEL. I don't know if this will help you, because my soultion works with X Windows (X11R2). In mt .login file, I do: xmodmap .keymap.km where .keymap.km contains: ! ! Walt's xmodmap keymap modification file ! ! get rid of the stupid Caps Lock key remove Lock = Caps_Lock ! ! make the Back space key send me a DEL keycode 101 = Delete You'll notice that I disable the Caps Lock key, too. I'm a clumsy typist at the best of times, and was very tired of trying to hit CTRL-something and ending up TYPING EVERYTHING ELSE IN CAPS! -- Walt Sullivan 9D35 Carling Mail stop 104 ESN 393-7952 Unix mail: walt@bcarh133 #! rnews 2303 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: lindner@cs.umn.edu (Paul Lindner) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 09:30:01 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:18:49 GMT Subject: Tips for a new HP admin? Message-ID: <1990Dec11.093001.25983@cs.umn.edu> Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!lindner Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Keywords: HPUX 400 series Lines: 35 Summary: Send me useful info please!! I've been "appointed" to take care of a brand new batch of HP 400 Series. I've had some experience with HP-UX in the past. (Specifically a HP9000/320 with a couple of 310 clients!). I didn't really do much sysadmin stuff on em though. I've done quite a bit of admin work on Suns, Nexts, and RS/6000's though, so I'm not completely in the dark. What I'd like is any information that you think is imperative for the first time HP admin. Basically if you've got a nugget of information that saved you a bunch of time, by all means let me know! I'm looking for information in the following areas. (Hopefully some of these questions will be answered by the Manual set which hasn't arrived yet.) 1) Printing appears different. What does an old lpd hacker have to do? 2) HP NCS, what is this? NFS support is there, after I reconfigged the kernel. Is NCS better? I seem to recall that OSF liked it. 3) In the same vein, what about YP, errr NIS. It's there, I tried it but it doesn't seem to work correctly. 4) finger seems broken, "finger lindner@mermaid.micro.umn.edu" doesn't want to work. (My resolv.conf file is correct so it ain't that). 5) Will rdump/rrestore work correctly for a remote Exabyte tape drive? 6) ..... I could go on and on. I've got the machines here and I'm itching to get them up and running correctly. Right now they're in that booted but not the way I like them state. Any tips and techniques will be greatly appreciated! Thanks! -- Paul Lindner, Univ. of MN \ Microcomputer / Pauls Law: You can't IT Sun dude, & UofM ACM pres \ Workstation / fall off the floor. lindner@boombox.micro.umn.edu \ Networks / {...!rutgers!umn-cs!lindner} | | | | | | | | |||||\ Center /||||| | | | | | | | | #! rnews 976 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: larryc@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Larry Corsa) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 1990 20:51:27 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:20:14 GMT Subject: Re: HPGL on the HPLaserjetIII Message-ID: <560002@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> Organization: HP Measurement Systems Op., Loveland, CO, USA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplvec!larryc@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.2 87/11/24; site hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM References: <15737.27637b0d@ccvax.ucd.ie> Sounds like you haven't got the printer in HP-GL/2 mode. I believe this is accomplished by: [ESC]%0B Regards, Larry Corsa Technical Support Engineer | HPDesk address: HP0900/UX Measurement Systems Operation | HPUX address: larryc@hpisla.lvld.hp.com 815 14th Street SW | (303) or TELNET 679-2206 Mail Stop CU312 | FAX (303) or TELNET 679-5957 Loveland, CO 80537, USA | #! rnews 627 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rer@hpfcdc.HP.COM (Rob Robason) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 1990 00:09:43 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:20:15 GMT Subject: Re: HPGL on the HPLaserjetIII Message-ID: <5570550@hpfcdc.HP.COM> Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hpfcdc!rer Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.3 1990/04/18; site hpfcdc.HP.COM References: <15737.27637b0d@ccvax.ucd.ie> You probably need to prepend some escape sequence to the data to get the printer into plot mode. That should be documented in the manual. #! rnews 1808 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mike@penguin.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 16:23:14 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:34 GMT Subject: Intolerable Mail Problem Message-ID: <1990Dec17.112314@dali.gatech.edu> Organization: Georgia Tech Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ncar!gatech!prism!dali.gatech.edu!mikeg Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Reply-To: mike@penguin.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) Keywords: mail sendmail bug help Lines: 31 Hi, Sometimes when mail comes to me, the file /usr/mail/mike will already exist, and have the mode -rw-r---- which means that the mail group can not write to the file. What happens is that the mailer tries to save the message, and can not, so the mail does not get written. The worst thing is that the mail does not bounce; The mailer thinks everything went smoothly, and biff tells my that I have new mail. The message is not there, and I have no way of finding out what the message was, who sent it, or anything. I lose a lot of mail this way. I've lost at least a dozen messages, and who knows how much more when I'm not around to see biff puke up the eaten message. My temporary fix is to delete the badly chmod'ed file, so that mail can create a new one with -rw-rw---- permissions. That does not recover my lost mail, and invariably, it happens again and again eating more mail. I know that I've seen some fixes for a couple of HP things, but I don't recall seeing a fix for this. I can't imagine that I'm the only one who has seen this unless I'm doing something weird. Is this common? Is it my fault, or HP's? How do I fix it? Thanks yet again for help with my HP, Mike Gourlay mike@penguin.gatech.edu #! rnews 1163 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mike@hpwin052.HP.COM (Mike Croom) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 1990 14:19:02 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:41 GMT Subject: Re: News from HP-UX 8.0 ? Message-ID: <4010002@hpwin052.HP.COM> Organization: HP AEO - London, England Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!hpopd!hpwin052!mike Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp References: <1196@aut.autelca.ascom.ch> Lines: 10 Yes on SCSI, the details are coming through now but not in strength. I guess your local office will put on a meeting to discuss the new features roundbout MArch time but I am in no position to vouch for that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mike Croom This is just my angle on it, not HP's - | Financial Services AEO - | London UK -------------------------------------------- | +44-71-583-6565 No catchy motto thought of yet - | VoiceMail +44-344-367538 --------------------------------------------------- #! rnews 2213 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rocky@polyof.poly.edu (A1 rocky shiotsuki (staff) ) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 15:47:24 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:18:01 GMT Subject: xtank available for HP 9000 Series 400 Message-ID: <1990Dec17.154724.29966@polyof.poly.edu> Organization: Polytechnic University Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!yale!cmcl2!polyof!rocky Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.windows.x,comp.source.x Lines: 38 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:1982 comp.windows.x:8161 Hi everyone, Do you know about xtank? I'm very new to xtank, so I can't able to describe a detail, but I try my best. It is very impressive true interactive fully graphical game, or war simulation for Xwindow environment. This program is developed by Terry Donhue in Oct. 1987. Since then, Terry and his friends modify and updated it. Inside of xtank, there are many new programming technique, such as running many processes simultaneously, but not using fork() function, and handle multiple Xservers, display, keyboard and mouse, simultaneously. You will get know more when you read a document for xtank. Right now, xtank's source code size is about 2.2 Mega bytes, and compressed one is 891561 bytes (after I modified it). Right now, as I know, xtank only works for SUN workstation, HP 9000 Series 800, APOLLO (I'm not sure), and Amiga. But I got chance to work with HP 9000 Series 400, so I modified xtank spend some time in 4 days (between full time work), some how it is working partially. So here is unofficial release xtank for HP9000 Series 400. I sent e-mail and modified version of xtank to stripes@eng.umd.edu. xtank available from: ftp.eng.umd.edu xtank1.2f.tar.Z ; official version, but ; does not work with ; hp9000s400 puscs.poly.edu xtank1.2fb.tar.Z ; unofficital version ; for hp9000s400 I hope we will have special news group for xtank. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rocky Shiotsuki Internet: rocky@puscs.poly.edu Systems Programmer 128.238.5.8 Polytechnic University 333 Jay Street, Brooklyn, New York 11201 #! rnews 885 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: award@uafhp.uark.edu (Sven Thjostarsson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 19:43:20 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:18:54 GMT Subject: priv source? Message-ID: <5712@uafhp.uark.edu> Organization: College of Engineering, University of Arkansas, Fayetteville Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!umriscc!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!uafhp!award Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.hp Followup-to: poster Keywords: sushi stuff Lines: 5 Xref: hplabs comp.unix.admin:818 comp.sys.hp:1983 I am looking for a more secure way to run shell scripts with root authority. I currently have a C program that simply calls the script via "system()". I have heard of a program called "priv". Can anyone point me to where it can be ftp'd or to something else that will address my needs? #! rnews 1286 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 15:03:00 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:18:56 GMT Subject: memory,fortran,starbase, again Message-ID: <19300009@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxh.cso.uiuc.edu!tamu Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Lines: 22 Nf-ID: #N:uxh.cso.uiuc.edu:19300009:000:724 Nf-From: uxh.cso.uiuc.edu!tamu Dec 17 09:03:00 1990 Dear group, Last week I wrote a note about memory limits in fortran. Well, in all of my infinite wisdom I left some important facts out. The first is, I am using starbase, and the error appears there. I associatted it with memory because it only happens when I really push up the common block usage. The error that appears is: Starbase error 105: Cannot Start Graphics Resource Manager Procedure name: gopen . . . The manuals that I have only LIST starbase errors. I can't seem to find any corrective action for the errors. Thank you all for your help. Todd Henderson UI CFD Lab hender@uicfdc.aae.uiuc.edu #! rnews 1026 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: neil@yc.estec.nl (Neil Dixon) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 17:06:40 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:18:56 GMT Subject: Full unexec required for Perl on hp800 Message-ID: <1423@esatst.yc.estec.nl> Organization: ESTEC/YCV, Noordwijk, The Netherlands Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!esatst!neil Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Reply-To: neil@esatst.UUCP (Neil Dixon) Keywords: unexec Perl Emacs Lines: 10 I'd like to get a copy of unexec for the 800 series what will work with Perl. The version that comes with Emacs doesn't seem to, possibly because the bss data is never saved. Anyone know of such a beast, or have clues on how to add it to the existing unexec? -- Neil Dixon <neil@yc.estec.nl> UUCP:...!mcvax!esatst!neil, BITNET: NDIXON@ESTEC Thermal Control & Life Support Division (YC) European Space Research and Technology Centre (ESTEC), Noordwijk, The Netherlands. #! rnews 840 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: award@uafhp.uark.edu (Sven Thjostarsson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 22:00:00 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:18:56 GMT Subject: indir and #! Message-ID: <5713@uafhp.uark.edu> Organization: College of Engineering, University of Arkansas, Fayetteville Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!uafhp!award Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Keywords: can I enable it? Lines: 12 I am trying to install indir on an HP 375. I have gotten it to compile, but when I try to execute a script like: #!/usr/local/bin/indir some list of arguments My shell reports to me that the file cannot be executed. Is there something I need to do to enable this or is it not supported under HP-UX? Thanks in advance, Sven #! rnews 1207 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: preetham@ra.src.umd.edu (Preetham Gopalaswamy) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 23:00:17 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:18:57 GMT Subject: The "getdtablesize" command Message-ID: <28687@mimsy.umd.edu> Organization: UMIACS, Univ. of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!gatech!udel!haven!mimsy!preetham@ra.src.umd.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Reply-To: preetham@umiacs.umd.edu (Preetham Gopalaswamy) Lines: 12 I am trying to compile a software package that was unfortunately not written for SysV although they claim that it is. The computer being used is an HP800 running HPUX 3.1. One of the problems that I am facing is finding a SysV equivalent for the command "getdtablesize" which is used (so the SUN man pages say) to "get the descriptor table size". What can I use instead of this command since it does not exist on the HPs. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Preetham Gopalaswamy ps: You may either post the answer or send e-mail to preetham@ra.src.umd.edu #! rnews 885 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: award@uafhp.uark.edu (Sven Thjostarsson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 19:43:20 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:18:54 GMT Subject: priv source? Message-ID: <5712@uafhp.uark.edu> Organization: College of Engineering, University of Arkansas, Fayetteville Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!umriscc!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!uafhp!award Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.hp Followup-to: poster Keywords: sushi stuff Lines: 5 Xref: hplabs comp.unix.admin:818 comp.sys.hp:1983 I am looking for a more secure way to run shell scripts with root authority. I currently have a C program that simply calls the script via "system()". I have heard of a program called "priv". Can anyone point me to where it can be ftp'd or to something else that will address my needs? #! rnews 2213 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rocky@polyof.poly.edu (A1 rocky shiotsuki (staff) ) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 15:47:24 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:18:01 GMT Subject: xtank available for HP 9000 Series 400 Message-ID: <1990Dec17.154724.29966@polyof.poly.edu> Organization: Polytechnic University Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!yale!cmcl2!polyof!rocky Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.windows.x,comp.source.x Lines: 38 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:1982 comp.windows.x:8161 Hi everyone, Do you know about xtank? I'm very new to xtank, so I can't able to describe a detail, but I try my best. It is very impressive true interactive fully graphical game, or war simulation for Xwindow environment. This program is developed by Terry Donhue in Oct. 1987. Since then, Terry and his friends modify and updated it. Inside of xtank, there are many new programming technique, such as running many processes simultaneously, but not using fork() function, and handle multiple Xservers, display, keyboard and mouse, simultaneously. You will get know more when you read a document for xtank. Right now, xtank's source code size is about 2.2 Mega bytes, and compressed one is 891561 bytes (after I modified it). Right now, as I know, xtank only works for SUN workstation, HP 9000 Series 800, APOLLO (I'm not sure), and Amiga. But I got chance to work with HP 9000 Series 400, so I modified xtank spend some time in 4 days (between full time work), some how it is working partially. So here is unofficial release xtank for HP9000 Series 400. I sent e-mail and modified version of xtank to stripes@eng.umd.edu. xtank available from: ftp.eng.umd.edu xtank1.2f.tar.Z ; official version, but ; does not work with ; hp9000s400 puscs.poly.edu xtank1.2fb.tar.Z ; unofficital version ; for hp9000s400 I hope we will have special news group for xtank. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rocky Shiotsuki Internet: rocky@puscs.poly.edu Systems Programmer 128.238.5.8 Polytechnic University 333 Jay Street, Brooklyn, New York 11201 #! rnews 1114 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: stoler@seas.gwu.edu (Rich Stoler) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 17:19:12 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:36 GMT Subject: Software Help Message-ID: <2434@sparko.gwu.edu> Organization: The George Washington University, Washington D.C. Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!!stoler Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,alt.sys.sun Sender: news@seas.gwu.edu Reply-To: stoler@seas.gwu.edu (Rich Stoler) Followup-to: comp.sys.hp Lines: 12 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:1901 alt.sys.sun:1462 This doesn't appear to have gotten out but sorry if it is a repeat. I am looking for a piece of software called grap which takes plot data and translates it into a format known to/useable by troff. If anyone has said software on a sun or an hp workstation/server can he please let me know? Thanks. -- Rich Stoler, Senior Systems Prgrammer, George Washington University SEAS Computing Facility, 725 23rd St NW, Washington DC 20052 stoler@seas.gwu.edu -or- uunet!gwusun!stoler #! rnews 2063 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: gz@pta.oz.au (Electric Blue) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 22:47:18 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:19:36 GMT Subject: Re: Re^2: Query on HP Hard Drives Message-ID: <2985@pta.oz.au> Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hpcc05!hp-ptp!hp-ses!hpsdel!sdd.hp.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!yarra!pta!gz Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.periphs.scsi References: <18382@netcom.UUCP> Followup-to: comp.sys.hp Lines: 35 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:1935 comp.periphs.scsi:965 In article <18382@netcom.UUCP>, katcher@netcom.UUCP (Jeff Katcher) writes: > I'd really appeciate it if someone could identify the two HP > hard disk drives I bought at a sale last week. > > #1 is an HP 97544SF which I am pretty sure is a 396MB (unformatted) > SCSI drive. > > #2 is an HP 97536F which is a SCSI drive, but I know nothing beyond that. > The list of HP drives I have, shows a 97530S series, at 136, 204, or 408 > MB, and a 97540S series at 396-793 MB. The HP97536 drive is physically 1663 cylinders in size, with physical cylinder 776, track 0 reserved for the log track, physical cylinders 776 (except for track 0) to 794 used for sector sparing, and physical cylinder 795 is the native CE cylinder (which is unaccesible to the user). The user data area is 1643 cylinders in size. One of the user data cylinders is reserved, and another is the user CE cylinder. Also note that the disk contains 64, 256-byte sectors per track. The HP97544 has 1447 cylinders, 8 heads and 14(?) sectors. Login name: gz In real life: George Zisis. Phone +61 2 415 0515 O. O .O -m---------- \.#-#./ ----mmm-------- .'#####`. -------mmmmmm----- / | | \ ----------mmmmmmmmm-- --------------------|-------------------- Fly Inverted .... | .... It confuses the hell Out of the ducks.... #! rnews 2213 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rocky@polyof.poly.edu (A1 rocky shiotsuki (staff) ) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 15:47:24 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:18:01 GMT Subject: xtank available for HP 9000 Series 400 Message-ID: <1990Dec17.154724.29966@polyof.poly.edu> Organization: Polytechnic University Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!yale!cmcl2!polyof!rocky Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.windows.x,comp.source.x Lines: 38 Xref: hplabs comp.sys.hp:1982 comp.windows.x:8161 Hi everyone, Do you know about xtank? I'm very new to xtank, so I can't able to describe a detail, but I try my best. It is very impressive true interactive fully graphical game, or war simulation for Xwindow environment. This program is developed by Terry Donhue in Oct. 1987. Since then, Terry and his friends modify and updated it. Inside of xtank, there are many new programming technique, such as running many processes simultaneously, but not using fork() function, and handle multiple Xservers, display, keyboard and mouse, simultaneously. You will get know more when you read a document for xtank. Right now, xtank's source code size is about 2.2 Mega bytes, and compressed one is 891561 bytes (after I modified it). Right now, as I know, xtank only works for SUN workstation, HP 9000 Series 800, APOLLO (I'm not sure), and Amiga. But I got chance to work with HP 9000 Series 400, so I modified xtank spend some time in 4 days (between full time work), some how it is working partially. So here is unofficial release xtank for HP9000 Series 400. I sent e-mail and modified version of xtank to stripes@eng.umd.edu. xtank available from: ftp.eng.umd.edu xtank1.2f.tar.Z ; official version, but ; does not work with ; hp9000s400 puscs.poly.edu xtank1.2fb.tar.Z ; unofficital version ; for hp9000s400 I hope we will have special news group for xtank. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rocky Shiotsuki Internet: rocky@puscs.poly.edu Systems Programmer 128.238.5.8 Polytechnic University 333 Jay Street, Brooklyn, New York 11201 #! rnews 989 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: edp@jareth.enet.dec.com (Eric Postpischil (Always mount a scratch monkey.)) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 14:52:05 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:29 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Minehunt high score Message-ID: <18251@shlump.nac.dec.com> Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!ucbvax!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!purdue!haven!decuac!shlump.nac.dec.com!jareth.enet.dec.com!edp Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <4813@tellab5.tellabs.com> <17951@shlump.nac.dec.com> <7360028@hpfcso.HP.COM> Sender: newsdaemon@shlump.nac.dec.com Reply-To: edp@jareth.enet.dec.com (Eric Postpischil (Always mount a scratch monkey.)) Lines: 9 More fun than "near 3 mines" immediately is to take the diagonal and get "near 7 mines". Anyway, the new record for number of mines is: 54. -- edp (Eric Postpischil) "Always mount a scratch monkey." edp@jareth.enet.dec.com #! rnews 2172 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: TNAN0@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 05:13:00 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:18:45 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Chip question Message-ID: <F002EC16567F006FAC@ISUVAX.BITNET> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!sdd.hp.com!usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 33 To: handhelds@gac.edu Return-path: <TNAN0@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU> To: handhelds@gac.edu X-VMS-To: IN%"handhelds@gac.edu" Howdy All! I do not have the source for CHIP, but I have noticed that typing MEM before executing CHIP solves the problem (it works every time for me). Is it possible that the people having the problem are running relatively low on memory (6K is pretty low if you are going to run CHIP)? If so, perhaps CHIP doesn't perform a garbage collection before it allocates the necessary 4K for the game string. This is pure conjecture, of course, but perhaps automatic garbage collection occurs when the calculator has been left alone for a few seconds and that is why the problem doesn't occur if you wait before entering CHIP... I never use the on-screen clock, so I can't believe that this causes it... By the way, although I have not yet made it with 48 mines on MINEHUNT, I would like to share my syzygy scores with you: With borders: 630 Without borders: 963 I did not cheat or pause while earning these scores... Lemme know if you beat either... (by the way, the score is only 3 digits... Wonder what happens at 1000...?) ---Xeno P.S. I've been trying to write some stand alone (non-RPL-stack dependent) programs... What's the best way to locate and access relative memory addresses? For example, if I have a data area at the beginning of my code, it seems to me the best way to access it would be to use a "thisone move.a pc,a" followed by a "move.p5 thisone-dataarea,c" "sub.a c,a" thus leaving the address of the data area in register A... is there a cleaner method? And if not, what assembler will handle this "distance between relative labels" function -- SASS sure won't! #! rnews 2640 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: mike@DRD.Com (Mike Rovak) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 14:33:44 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:18:46 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Chip question Message-ID: <1990Dec11.143344.21688@DRD.Com> Organization: DRD Corporation Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!sdd.hp.com!usc!apple!uokmax!d.cs.okstate.edu!drd!mike Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <7FAF2E7DE000201F@gacvx2.gac.edu> Sender: Mike Rovak Followup-to: comp.sys.handhelds Keywords: backup frequently Lines: 44 Summary: Aha! TDSTRONG%MTUS5.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Tim Strong) wrote: } >... } >Imagine my surprise the next day when TETRIS ran and accumulated score } >without displaying any falling pieces. Likewise, PUZZLE24, which I thought } >was an RPL program, failed to run and required a system halt (ON-C) to return } >to the stack display. I looked at the INIT subroutine, and it had some } >intersting and rather large binary integers and Externals in it, which I } >could have sworn were not in the original code. I immediately and without } >question nor further debate executed the three-fingered salute (ON-A-F) and } >cleared memory. Reloaded from a good backup, downloaded what was missing, } >didn't do anything questionable or anomalous, and voila, everything works } >and memory is intact (then I made yet another backup). } } I think I know why the RPL TETRIS sometimes corrupts memory. I have found } that TETRIS needs a binary wordsize of 64 (to be safe). If the binary wordsize } is not 64 the game acts as you descirbe corrupting itself and heaven knows } what else. } } The moral is if you want TETRIS on your machine and you play with the } wordsize on your calculator alot add the following program to your TETRIS } directory and run it instead of TETRIS: } } << 64 STWS TETRIS >> } } 'RUNTET' } } STO } } Hope this helps! Thanks, Tim. Your theory matches the observed facts. When AS48 aborted, the word size was left as 16 since the locals saved at the beginning of the program got killed and never were recalled and reinstated. I find it comforting somehow to know that in this particular case, there was a logical explanation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. ======================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mike@DRD.Com uunet!apctrc!drd!mike ======================================================================== #! rnews 1811 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 18:20:19 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:30 GMT Subject: Re: Burned-out infrared printer Message-ID: <7360029@hpfcso.HP.COM> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!rrd Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpfcso.HP.COM References: <4491@altos86.Altos.COM> Steve Scherf tells a spooky story: > [ The Case of the Fried Thermal Printhead ] > I sent it back to HP and they replaced the whole unit under the warranty > agreement. I'm afraid to use it now, though I'm sure the chance of a repeat > performance is low. Has anyone else out there had this kind of experience? > Is this a common thing for thermal printers? Well, speaking as a user and not as an HP employee, I think you've experienced a rare event. Thermal printheads themselves are pretty sturdy, and something like this would only happen if the control electronics inside got zapped. If you had disassembled your printer (which obviously you didn't for good rea$on$), you would probably have seen some discolored components or circuit traces. (Well okay, maybe not...) I own two of these printers and have access to several others, and they've survived lots of abuse without ever showing this problem. However, I can understand your not wanting to use the printer again. I have the same irrational fear of placing my 48 in server mode and controlling all my file transfers from the PC. Nothing bad has happened to me yet; it's just a lot more comforting to do it all from the 48's keyboard. Like I said, totally irrational. Regards Ray Depew IC's by Bill and Dave rrd@hpfitst1.hp.com #! rnews 1051 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 20:20:41 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:30 GMT Subject: Re: Burned-out infrared printer Message-ID: <7360031@hpfcso.HP.COM> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!rrd Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpfcso.HP.COM References: <4491@altos86.Altos.COM> What I MEANT to say: > rare event. Thermal printheads themselves are pretty sturdy, and something > like this would only happen ... " ... if the control electronics inside got zapped ALSO." A dead short on ^^^^ the right control ckt. would send enough voltage to the printhead to fry the paper and the platen. And the printhead. But I think you're pretty safe now. People don't usually get struck by lightning twice. Regards Ray Depew IC's by Bill and Dave rrd@hpfitst1.hp.com ---------- #! rnews 1320 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Joseph K. Horn) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 06:40:04 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:15:14 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Xor_2Addr1Addr address request Message-ID: <2763287c:1367.5comp.sys.handhelds;1@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.joehorn Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <49399@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> <10014@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> Lines: 13 Derek: Please do. The response to the EduCALC disk offer has been very good. It seems that there are a lot of folks who want HP48 stuff pre-digested and ready to use, and haven't the time or inclination to plow through daily downloads of incomprehensible bbs text. If you can, please use 3.5 or 5.25 inch, double or high density, IBM format disks. If not, I can also transfer from Amiga 3.5, MacIntosh 3.5, Apple II 5.25, and TRSDOS 8-inch :-) Bill: See HPCVBBS item #314 in the GENERAL conference for a complete description and sample directory of the first disk in what will hopefully become the HP48 equivalent of the Fred Fish disks for the Amiga. -- Joseph K. Horn -- (714) 858-0920 -- Peripheral Vision, Ltd. #! rnews 1788 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: cloos@acsu.buffalo.edu (James H. Cloos) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 01:45:08 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:47 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Xor_2Addr1Addr address request Message-ID: <50406@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> Organization: State University of New York @ Buffalo Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <49399@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> <36637@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@acsu.Buffalo.EDU Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <36637@cup.portal.com> Jake-S@cup.portal.com (Jake G Schwartz) writes: |Jim, you mentioned that your list of internal RPL addresses did not include |XOR_2Addr1Addr. Well that's okay. How about sharing the ones you DO know |with the rest of us? I think there's a little clique here of folks "in the |know" and folks who aren't in the know, and those who discovered the |precious addresses are not apt to spend any time sharing their findings |here. Sounds a bit like the people at HP that you guys were complaining |about. How about someone posting the definitive list a la Eric Toonen's |list for the HP28 last year? We'll all benefit. | |Thanks, | |Jake Schwartz Nearly all of the addresses I do know came from either Jan (via sad's stdsymbols and the article posted here (as I recall also by Jan) and from Rick. I am also working on the addresses for the routines called directly by the usrlang commands, but that is not done yet. I will post my final .symbols file when it is done, though. -JimC -- James H. Cloos, Jr. Phone: +1 716 673-1250 cloos@ACSU.Buffalo.EDU Snail: PersonalZipCode: 14048-0772, USA cloos@ub.UUCP Quote: <> #! rnews 1325 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 18:39:00 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:31 GMT Subject: Re: BREAK and RETURN on the 48sx: where are they? Message-ID: <7360030@hpfcso.HP.COM> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!rrd Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Posting-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpfcso.HP.COM References: <8601@dog.ee.lbl.gov> > As far as I can tell, the HP 48 doesn't provide any way to break out > of a loop in the middle (in C, break), and doesn't provide any way to > return from a function anywhere but the end. (in C, return). Yes, I > know that it's always possible to avoid using these if you put in an > extra test or flag, but sometimes they are convenient. In his book "HP-41 / HP-48 Translations", Bill Wickes mentions that the command << ... CONT ... >> breaks you out of a subroutine and back into the next level. I would think that you could include a local subroutine that would do your loop for you. For example, the program << . . << a b FOR c . . . IF ... THEN CONT END . . >> . -> loop . . loop EVAL . . >> may do it for you. ----- Regards Ray Depew IC's by Bill and Dave rrd@hpfitst1.hp.com #! rnews 1433 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: nelson@ (Matt Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 16:22:21 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:32 GMT Subject: Re: MatrixWriter question Message-ID: <276CF0BD.3492@orion.oac.uci.edu> Organization: University of California, Irvine Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!!nelson Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <1990Dec17.010220.24504@midway.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: Matt Nelson <nelson@psroot.ps.uci.edu> Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: skid.ps.uci.edu In article <1990Dec17.010220.24504@midway.uchicago.edu> keho@quads.uchicago.edu (thomas david kehoe) writes: >Also, is there anyway to do an inverse cumulative distribution >function? In other words, UTPN returns the area under the >upper tail of the normal distribution past x (the value in >level 1). I often have the area under the upper tail, but >need to find x. No problem with the table in the back of a >statistics book, but the 48SX can't do it.. use the solver. suppose you had a distribution with mean=2.0 and variance=0.5, and you wanted to find the value of x with the upper- tail integral of 0.18. enter the following program as EQ: << 2 0.5 X UTPN 0.18 - >> go into the solver and hit (left shift)-X; you will be greeted with "sign change" and X: 2.64726086088, which is good to 1E-12 or so. have fun... -matt #! rnews 2012 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: jurjen@cwi.nl (Jurjen NE Bos) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 12:31:21 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:15:16 GMT Subject: Re: 32 Bt Mant is < I need! Message-ID: <2667@charon.cwi.nl> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!hp4nl!charon!jurjen Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <276057f4:1381comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.UUCP> <1990Dec10.034626.27415@cc.ic.ac.uk> <10060@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> Sender: news@cwi.nl Lines: 27 bgribble@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Bill Gribble) writes: >In article <1990Dec10.034626.27415@cc.ic.ac.uk> umapd51@cc.ic.ac.uk (W.A.C. Mier-Jedrzejowicz) writes: >> >It might be an interesting (if overly complex) project to try to implement > extended-precision math functions in machine language. You would > have to hack a new type for entry and display - say, a string with the > first character a # or somesuch. But you could do arbitrarily high > precision math. Left as an exercise for the reader :-) No! You don't! The 48SX already has arbitrary-large binaries--except that it cannot do computations with them. The display routines can show binaries of any size in the style C# <number of digits> <digits in reverse order hex> but you cannot enter them. If you want to see some of those numbers, look in the hidden directory (the one with the empty name) and look in your alarm catalog. Alarms are stored like { B E } where B is a 24 nibble binary storing the date, time and repeat interval, and E is the EXEC. (For the nosy ones: this binary stores the value of TICKS of the time and date of the alarm, prepeded by the number of ticks between to repetitions of the alarm. Funny format. This list {B E} can be converted to RCLALARM format with #E1D8 SYSEVAL, if I'm not mistaken.) If only someone would write input and calculation routines for those long binaries... #! rnews 903 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: jurjen@cwi.nl (Jurjen NE Bos) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 10:13:31 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:15:16 GMT Subject: Re: Re: 32 Bt Mant is < I need! Message-ID: <2663@charon.cwi.nl> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!charon!jurjen Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <276057f4:1381comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Sender: news@cwi.nl Lines: 9 akcs.scotty@hpcvbbs.UUCP (SCOTTY THOMPSON) writes: >I need help. Using binary numbers on my 48SX and trying to raise 2 >to the nth power to test a flag has become a difficult and unneccessary >chore. There is a simple trick: store the binary in your user flags (from memory: do RCLF 1 ROT PUT STOF), test and set flags to taste, and do RCLF 1 GET. No powering, no problems, gives you the full set of test instructions. #! rnews 1452 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: bson@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 16:20:00 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:30 GMT Subject: Re: Re: 32 Bt Mant is < I need! Message-ID: <12330@life.ai.mit.edu> Organization: nil Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!yale!mintaka!ai-lab!rice-chex!bson Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <1990Dec10.034626.27415@cc.ic.ac.uk> <10060@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> <2667@charon.cwi.nl> Sender: news@ai.mit.edu Lines: 23 In article <2667@charon.cwi.nl> jurjen@cwi.nl (Jurjen NE Bos) writes: > The 48SX already has arbitrary-large binaries--except that it cannot > do computations with them. ... If only someone would write input and > calculation routines for those long binaries... The HP-48 performs logical operations on strings, and since binary numbers essentially are strings with a different type prefix, all we have to do for AND, OR, XOR, NOT, is to bypass the type check: #188e6 SYSEVAL AND strings #188f5 SYSEVAL OR strings #18904 SYSEVAL XOR strings #18961 SYSEVAL NOT string In fact, these routines can be appled to any object that is a "vector" object, i.e. a type prefix followed by a 20-bit length counting the length itself - Library data, GROB, String, and Binary. So I guess what need are +, -, *, /, and a few shift operations, and we're all set! #! rnews 1645 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: bgribble@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Bill Gribble) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 07:01:56 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:19:50 GMT Subject: Re: Re: 32 Bt Mant is < I need! Message-ID: <10060@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hpcc05!hp-ptp!hp-ses!hpsdel!sdd.hp.com!usc!jarthur!bgribble Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <276057f4:1381comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.UUCP> <1990Dec10.034626.27415@cc.ic.ac.uk> Lines: 19 In article <1990Dec10.034626.27415@cc.ic.ac.uk> umapd51@cc.ic.ac.uk (W.A.C. Mier-Jedrzejowicz) writes: > >If you need really BIG binary numbers like this then an HP-16C is THE >way to go! Of course, if you are using these BIG binary numbers as part >of some other HP48SX operation then this is not much help :-( It might be an interesting (if overly complex) project to try to implement extended-precision math functions in machine language. You would have to hack a new type for entry and display - say, a string with the first character a # or somesuch. But you could do arbitrarily high precision math. Left as an exercise for the reader :-) >Wlodek Mier-Jedrzejowicz, Space & Atmospheric Physics, Imperial College, >London. ***************************************************************************** ** Bill Gribble Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA ** ** bgribble@jarthur.claremont.edu Never heard of it? You're stupid. ** ***************************************************************************** #! rnews 2305 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: Jake-S@cup.portal.com (Jake G Schwartz) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 18:11:31 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:15:16 GMT Subject: HP Videotapes, Conf. Proceedings, etc. Message-ID: <36725@cup.portal.com> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Jake-S Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 43 Hi - The Chicago "CHIP" HP users group finally ran out of copies of the June HP Handheld Users' Conference proceedings. For those who are interested in obtaining a copy (110 pages of material), I have been given permission to offer xeroxed copies here. Ten dollars will be sent back to the Chicago group for every copy sold. Here's the rundown of tapes/proceedings at the present time: 11/11/90 Philadelphia Area HP Handheld Club meeting. $10. Bill Wickes guest speaker. (including Approx 4 hrs on one VHS tape, plus the postage) 18-page handout given to attendees. 6/1/90 - Chicago HP Handheld User's Conference. $15. 6/6/90 Several meetings and speakers including (including Bill Wickes and Eric Vogel of HP. postage) Approx 16 hrs on two 8-hour VHS tapes, plus a 3-page synopsis of contents. 6/2/90 - Chicago HP Conference proceedings. 110 pages $12.50 if including HP48 programs and several diagrams. ordered with any of the tapes; $15.00 if ordered separately. 6/2/90 - "HP48 Goodies" Disk (originally supplied with $1.00 if ordered conference proceedings) plus "HP48 SWAP02" with anything disk of contributed stuff from attendees. Both else. combined onto one disk. Jake Schwartz 135 Saxby Terrace Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 609-751-1310 home 609-866-6268 work (I have tapes of several other HP users gatherings going back as far as 1986, including several HP product introductions by Corvallis employees. Please contact me if interested. All are NTSC VHS format.) #! rnews 1634 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: dmtg@vms.huji.ac.il (DAVID MAROSHI) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 11:22:53 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:15:16 GMT Subject: Looking for extensive linear algebra programs (INFO ask) Message-ID: <569@shum.UUCP> Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!ucsd!ucselx!bionet!agate!ucbvax!vms.huji.ac.il!dmtg Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: dmtg@vms.huji.ac.il Lines: 21 Dear Everyone I urgently need a program for the 28s that is able to amulate algebric forms into matrices and then procces them regulary.It is too much truble to start dealing with list objects,and writing all the arry procedures for them.Probably a smart one wrote something wich enables one to solve a matrice of variables (jaacobian for instance) and get the result in algebric form. Beside of that if somone in need I developed a program for multigrid differential equation solving,and few useful algebric programs to people who deal with quantum theory. THANKS DAVID MAROSHI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Maroshi If all faills try read the Physics dept DMTG@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL INSTRUCTION ! Givat-Ram by the Telnet (Known distructive experimentalist) Hebrew Uni Jerussalem DMTG@HUJIVMS Isreal by the Bitnet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #! rnews 1040 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Date: Thu, 6 Dec 1990 08:46:13 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:15:17 GMT Subject: For Sale: Portfolio Message-ID: <1990Dec6.024614.43963@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jarthur!ucivax!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucsd!dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slv0y Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 24 I have the following items for sale: Atari Portfolio Parallel Interface 32K RAM Card AC Adaptor All Manuals and original packaging All items in excellent condition, 1 year old. I would like to sell as a package for $350. At that price I will pay UPS 2nd day air (blue label) (within the US only!). Offers to: Jeffrey Barlow Logan, Utah (801) 752-6011 (Days) email to: slv0y@cc.usu.edu (Internet) MSU547 (Plink) J.BARLOW5 (Genie) #! rnews 766 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: slwt7@cc.usu.edu Date: Sat, 8 Dec 1990 16:06:06 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:15:17 GMT Subject: <None> Message-ID: <1990Dec8.100606.44270@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slwt7 Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 10 Does anyone have the documentation to the symbolic matrix solving program? If so could you E-mail it to me. It would be greatly appreciated because I have to solve a lot of symbolic matices and I have the program i just don't know how to use it! Thanks, Brian Wallis Department of Engineering Utah State #! rnews 1371 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: YEE@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Roger Yee) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 08:09:05 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:31 GMT Subject: DTE48 terminal emulator Message-ID: <6327@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Ohio State University Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu!rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu!YEE Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: news@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu Hello, This note is primarily directed to Kevin Jessup. I have downloaded the previous message for the DTE48 V1.02 and used a friends cable to transfer it to my calculator. The problem comes in when trying to ASC-> the string. (after removeing all the carriage returns like the instruction says). I tried to do this it and it says invalid string or something on that order. I was wondering if someone has gotten this to work could send me a copy in the uploaded ascii directory form (normal uploading no ->asc please). By the way, The file I downloaded looked like this: %%HP: T(3)A(D)F(.); @ADDED THIS LIKE MOST PROGRAMS I HAVE SEEN HAVE "69A20FF............." @ONE LONG STRING Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Roger Yee (YEE@RCGL1.ENG.OHIO-STATE.EDU) #! rnews 807 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: newsuser@efd.lth.se (News server connection) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 22:07:51 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:31 GMT Subject: HP41CX Message-ID: <00940FC9.FA7CC0A0@rigel.efd.lth.se> Organization: Lund Institute of Technology,Lund, Sweden Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!lth.se!E89DH@rigel.efd.lth.se Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: newsuser@lth.se (LTH network news server) Reply-To: e89dh@rigel.efd.lth.se Lines: 6 Is there anybody out there who wants to sell a magnetic card reader for the hp41cx, I am also interested in X-memory and the matematic module . David Hultgren E89DH@rigel.efd.lth.se Lund Uni. Sweden #! rnews 842 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: newsuser@efd.lth.se (News server connection) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 22:23:38 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:31 GMT Subject: RESET button on the 48SX Message-ID: <00940FCC.2EB5F9C0@rigel.efd.lth.se> Organization: Lund Institute of Technology,Lund, Sweden Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!lth.se!E89DH@rigel.efd.lth.se Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: newsuser@lth.se (LTH network news server) Reply-To: e89dh@rigel.efd.lth.se Lines: 9 What exactly does the hardware reset button under the rubberfoot on the 48SX do? (since I am just upgrading my computer system, I am afraid for a "Memory Lost") David Hultgren Lund Uni. Sweden E89DH@rigel.efd.lth.se #! rnews 1995 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: graff@mlpvm2.iinus1.ibm.com ("Michael Graff") Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 19:04:37 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:32 GMT Subject: Atari Portfolio developer prices Message-ID: <9012101921.AA01270@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucsd!ucbvax!mlpvm2.iinus1.ibm.com!graff Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: graff@mlpvm2.iinus1.ibm.com Lines: 35 I ordered the latest developer info pack from Atari, and it's different from the info posted here a few days ago. First, you're required to sign up as a developer and order the developer starter kit for $160. The starter kit includes the tech ref, the emulator software (for testing Pofo programs on a regular PC), and one year of developer technical support. The sign-up form asks all kinds of questions like how many programmers do you have and what will you be developing and when will it be released. Also, you need to sign a non-disclosure agreement. It's not clear, however, if they would turn you down if you simply said you wanted to develop software for your own personal use. Once you've signed up, the prices for the individual Pofo items are very good (price list dated 10/26/90): Portfolio $195 Parallel interface 25 Serial interface 40 AC adapter 5 32K RAM card 40 64K RAM card 65 128K RAM card 100 PC card drive 50 They also have prices for EPROM cards and EPROM writer adapter boards. If you just want a few things, you're probably better off just ordering them from a mail order firm like J&R Music World and avoiding all the paperwork since the $160 starter kit would offset any price savings. But if you really are interested in developing programs for the Pofo, the developer prices are really nice. --Michael #! rnews 796 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: jsims@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (J. Robert Sims) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 21:14:51 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:32 GMT Subject: FFT program request Message-ID: <9012102114.AA04669@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 7 To: handhelds@gac.edu Return-path: <jsims@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> To: handhelds@gac.edu Somebody posted a complete FFT program recently, and I promptly lost it. It included FFT and inverse FFT functions, and was quite short. I would appreciate it if anyone who has this program would email it to me. Thanks in advance, Rob jsims@vuse.vanderbilt.edu #! rnews 1071 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: foucher@caen.engin.umich.edu (Bradley S Foucher) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 22:58:08 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:41 GMT Subject: Disable ON-C? Message-ID: <1990Dec10.225808.5389@engin.umich.edu> Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!caen!tumeric.engin.umich.edu!foucher Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Distribution: usa Sender: news@engin.umich.edu (CAEN Netnews) Keywords: HP 48sx Fellow Network Users, Lines: 9 I'm wondering if there is a way to disable the ON-C and other ON- keygroups. I'm looking into writing a password program that runs like the protection program in Wayne Scott's list. The obvious downfall is that all you have to do to break through is press ON-C or ON-A-F. I know absolutely nothing about machine language, but I'm sure some of you gurus out there may have an idea on how to solve my problem. Any help would be appreciated. Brad Foucher foucher@caen.engin.umich.edu #! rnews 1521 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: bobc@hplsla.HP.COM (Bob Cutler) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 17:59:51 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:44 GMT Subject: Re: Convolution Algerbra Message-ID: <10130001@hplsla.HP.COM> Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hplsla!bobc Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <1990Dec8.224427.513@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Lines: 51 Here's a program I've been using on my 28s. There's probably a more efficient way to write a convolution program, but what the heck, it works. CONV expects two vectors on the stack as input and returns a vector. For example, To solve: (3x^2 +2x + 1)( x + 5) Enter: [3 2 1] [ 1 5] 'CONV' The result is [ 3 17 11 5] or (3x^4 + 17x^2 + 11x + 5) Enjoy, Bob Cutler KE7ZJ Hewlett-Packard Lake Stevens Instrument Division Everett, WA 98205 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 'CONV' << -> A << -> B << A SIZE LIST-> DROP B SIZE LIST-> DROP + 1 - -> N << A N 1 -> LIST RDM -> A << B N 1 ->LIST RDM -> B << 1 N FOR I 0 1 I FOR J A J GET B I J - 1 + GET * + NEXT NEXT N -> ARRY >> >> >> >> >> >> #! rnews 8081 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.kevin@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Kevin Jessup) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 23:40:08 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:48 GMT Subject: DTE48 Terminal Emulator Message-ID: <276418eb:1405comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.kevin Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Keywords: 2nd upload Lines: 163 For some reason, my previous upload of DTE48 lost some characters. Let's try it again... A few people have been asking for DTE48, a terminal emulator program for the 48SX. Unless someone else out there has created a program with the same name, here is what you have been asking for... ********************************************************************* * DOCUMENTATION FILE FOR DTE48 V1.02 * ********************************************************************* DTE48 is a Dumb Terminal Emulator program for the HP48SX. "Dumb" implies that the terminal cannot be read by a remote system or respond to inquiry commands like a VT100. At least 3 other "terminal" programs have been posted for the 48SX. All have various limitations. This one is not necesarily better than any of the others. Version 1.02 differs from previous versions in that incomming carriage returns are replaced with an ASCII space before display. A more generic SRCHREPL (search and replace) string function has been sustituted for the previous FILTER function. Note that SRCHREPL requires MULTI which is also provided. Incomming linefeed characters are stripped! The main program, DTE48, can be modified so as to replace linefeeds with a space or any other character. FEATURES -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Tramsmits upper and lower case as well as all of the ASCII control characters. 2.) Characters are displayed AS THEY ARRIVE, not only when a full line is available. 3.) The screen can be paused at any time. This assumes the trans- mitting system handles XON/XOFF protocol and will not time-out and start resending!! 4.) 7 line by 22 character scrolling display. LIMITATIONS -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Probably not 100% reliable at 9600 baud. 2.) Control characters (ASCII 1 thru 26) are not processed and are displayed as a dot. Checking each individual character so as to process tabs, carriage returns and linefeeds slows it down too much. An assembly language version is needed. FILES -------------------------------------------------------------------- There are five. DTE48 is the main executable. KEYMAP is a string used for keycode translation. TOGF is a flag toggling function. SRCHREPL strips or replaces characters in strings. MULTI performs an operation till the results no longer change. Place the files in the directory of your choice. FILE BYTES CHECKSUM (HEX) -------- ----- -------------- DTE48 636.0 # 81C8 SRCHREPL 145.5 # FD08 KEYMAP 304.5 # 5BFC TOGF 38.5 # 921E MULTI 56.0 # 8FCF RUNNING IT -------------------------------------------------------------------- Setup the 48SX I/O for the required baud rate and enable XON/XOFF protocol. If you don't know what that means, read the manual! Hit DTE48 to run. Here is an example of the IOPAR list with XON/XOFF enabled: { 4800 0 1 1 3 3 } Characters will be displayed starting on the bottom line and lines will scroll upwards as needed. KEY UNSHIFTED RESULT LEFT SHIFTED RESULT RIGHT SHIFTED RESULT -------- ---------------- ------------------- -------------------- A a A ^A (ASCII 1) B b B ^B (ASCII 2) C c C ^C (ASCII 3)... Z z Z ^Z (ASCII 26) 1 1 ! 2 2 @ 3 3 # 4 4 $ 5 5 % 6 6 ^ 7 7 & 8 8 * 9 9 ( 0 0 ) * * , - - _ (underscore) + + = . . < SPC space > <- backspace delete ENTER carriage return linefeed DEL QUIT QUIT Hitting the ALPHA key will pause the display. Hit it again to continue. The left shift and right shift keys are active for one keystroke only. All keys not defined above generate a space. DISCLAIMERS ------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTHING is guaranteed. I may or may not provide new and/or assembly language versions. Use it at your own risk. Hack away at it and repost only if you give me credit for the original version. Kevin Jessup 9118 N. 85th St Milwaukee, WI 53224 Office: (414) 362-2020 Home: (414) 355-9752 Here is the ASCII string for the DTE48 directory object. Use ASC-> to convert it... [CUT HERE] "69A20FF7349000000050D455C4459450D9D20E16321C432D6E201007E16323C03278BF1D6 E201007EB3A1DE03278BF1E0CF1167E19B632EF53293632B2130B60004045F4746440D9D20 E16323CE2278BF1313C1AFE225D2C15BF22472C15DF2293632B21308400080352534842554 05C480D9D20E163292CF18B9C11C432D6E201087D6E201097D6E201037E1632C9432D9D20E 163278BF13CE22D6E2010874BAC178BF1AFE22D9D202ABF19C2A290DA19C2A2DBBF1C58C13 F2A20DCF1D6E20103776BA192CF18B9C1C58C1D6E201097DBBF176BA176BA1B21305BF228D BF15DF2293632B213084E2050D455C44594EF53293632B2130E110060B45495D4140560C2A 20742000202020202020202020216263646566602020202768696A6B6C602020202D6E6F60 717270202020237475767778702020202D097A70280020202020202738393F202020202020 2435363A2020202020202132333D202020202020203E202B20202020202020202020214243 444546402020202748494A4B4C402020202D4E4F4051525020202023545556575850202020 2A095A502F702020202020262A282E70202020202024252E5C2020202020202120432F5020 20202020292E3C3D30202020202020202020210203040506002020202708090A0B0C002020 202D0E0F001112102020202314151617181020202020291A10202020202020202020202020 2020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202C520050 444554438350D9D20E16329C2A2ED2A23F2A25D2C15D2C15D2C1858A15BE12C2A2050000C2 A2050000C2A2050000C2A2050000C2A2050000C2A2050000C2A20500003C0323CE22780228 DBF178BF19C2A2063C1387E1AFE22D9D203CE2278BF1339201000000000000220D5CE1AFE2 2D9D208DBF1339201000000000000220B21305DF2259E128DBF1C2A2070000A0C2A2050000 84E208035253484255405C433920100000000000031066BC1C2A20700000284E2080352534 84255405C476BA13CE2278BF18B9C178BF1339201000000000000220D5CE1AFE22D9D2092C F1339201000000000000320E0CF1C58C1DBBF19C2A2339201000000000000220C58C1DBBF1 C53A25BCF18DBF1B21305BF228DBF15DF229C2A2743A20A132D6E201096D6E201096A9CF1C 53A2D6E20109690DA1485A1C4232B21305BF228DBF15DF223CE22378A1AFE22D9D20D8732D 9D2078BF1339201000000000000450279E18A7329C2A25DF2278BF13392010000000000001 60279E18A732D9D209C2A284E204045F474648DBF14B2A2B21305DF2278BF1339201000000 000000170279E18A732D9D20ED2A284E204045F474648DBF14B2A2B21305DF2278BF133920 1000000000000180279E18A732D9D203F2A284E204045F474648DBF14B2A2B21305DF223CE 22ED2A2313C1AFE22D9D20ED2A25D2C133920100000000000059076BA1B21305DF223CE223 F2A2313C1AFE22D9D203F2A25D2C133920200000000000091076BA1B21305DF2284E2060B4 5495D41405DBBF178BF1C58C13CE2257E12F88E1AFE228DBF15DF224B2A2B21305DF22B213 05BF224B2A25DF22DE0329B632C53A246CF15DE129C2A2ED2A23F2A25D2C15D2C15D2C1936 32B21303F4005094F40514255047A203392030000000000008404B2A29C2A29C2A23F2A23F 2A2B2130CACE"[CUT HERE] Make sure all carriage return characters (0d hex) are removed from the ASCII string before you attempt to checksum it or convert it using ASC-> . Checksum for ASCII string (string on stack): D25F hex Byte count: 2508.5 #! rnews 829 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.tyrone@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Tyrone Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 16:40:07 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:18:46 GMT Subject: Re: DTE48 Terminal Emulator Message-ID: <27650962:1405.1comp.sys.handhelds;1@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.tyrone Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <276418eb:1405comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Keywords: 2nd upload Lines: 5 I just download the above string and am not able to get the correct Checksum or Byte count on my 48. I've done it 3 times to make sure that I was not losing anything along the way, but no luck. I get Checksum: 7802 hex Byte count: 2458 Is it possible to have lost characters again while uploading it? #! rnews 566 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Joseph K. Horn) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 1990 04:40:04 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:18:38 GMT Subject: Re: DTE48 Terminal Emulator Message-ID: <2765b292:1411.1comp.sys.handhelds;1@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.joehorn Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <9012110010.AA08282@internal.apple.com> Lines: 1 Roger: Try NOT removing the carriage returns. ASC-> expects them. -jkh- #! rnews 622 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.kevin@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Kevin Jessup) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 1990 18:40:14 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 00:19:51 GMT Subject: Re: DTE48 Terminal Emulator Message-ID: <27666e9a:1411.2comp.sys.handhelds;1@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.kevin Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds References: <9012110010.AA08282@internal.apple.com> <2765b292:1411.1comp.sys.ha Lines: 4 See item 1409 in this conferance. It has a good copy of DTE48. Sorry about the upload problems. Kevin J. #! rnews 1026 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: akcs.mitchell@hpcvbbs.UUCP (Mitchell Dickerman) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 1990 01:40:04 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:48 GMT Subject: Relation plotter wanted Message-ID: <276432b1:1406comp.sys.handhelds@hpcvbbs.UUCP> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!rnews!hpcvbbs!akcs.mitchell Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Keywords: relation plotter Lines: 10 Long ago, I had a wonderful program that plotted relations, i.e. if you gave it X^2+Y^2-1, it drew the unit circle. I would love to see a program like this for my 48, but I'm not much of a programmer. In order to plot f(x,y)=0, one would have to begin with the pixel in the upper left hand corner, and check the 3 adjacent pixels and compare the sign of f(x,y) evaluated at those points. If a sign change occured, it indicates a solution of f(x,y)=0, and that pixel should be turned on. Am I making sense? Can someone give me a hand implementing this? Mitch #! rnews 3739 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: handhelds@gac.edu (handhelds@gac.edu) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 17:48:15 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:48 GMT Subject: Can't Find MailCenter! Message-ID: <9012110010.AA08259@internal.apple.com> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 73 To: Steve_Winters.PERIPH_PROJ@gateway.qm.apple.com Return-path: <handhelds@gac.edu> To: Steve_Winters.PERIPH_PROJ@gateway.qm.apple.com Mail*Link#170# HP Videotapes, Conf. Procee Received: by gateway.qm.apple.com; 9 Dec 90 12:48:14 Received: from apple.com by goofy.apple.com with SMTP (5.61/25-eef) id AA16770; Sun, 9 Dec 90 12:44:12 -0800 for Steve_Winters.PERIPH_PROJ@gateway.qm.apple.com Received: from gacvx2.gac.edu by apple.com with SMTP (5.61/25-eef) id AA23594; Sun, 9 Dec 90 12:44:02 -0800 for Steve_Winters.PERIPH_PROJ@gateway.qm.apple.com Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 14:40 CST From: handhelds@gac.edu Subject: HP Videotapes, Conf. Proceedings, etc. Sender: NEWSMGR@gacvx2.gac.edu To: HANDHELDS@gacvx2.gac.edu Errors-To: postmaster@gac.edu Reply-To: handhelds@gac.edu Message-Id: <EC303F42A0001B8D@gacvx2.gac.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"HANDHELDS@GACVX2.GAC.EDU" Comments: Forwarded from COMP.SYS.HANDHELDS by GACVX2.GAC.EDU Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0 13/10/90 VAX/VMS V5.4; site gacvx2.gac.edu Path: gacvx2.gac.edu!noc.MR.NET!msi.umn.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!att!linac!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Jake-S Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Subject: HP Videotapes, Conf. Proceedings, etc. Message-ID: <36725@cup.portal.com> From: Jake-S@cup.portal.com (Jake G Schwartz) Date: 9 Dec 90 18:11:31 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 43 Hi - The Chicago "CHIP" HP users group finally ran out of copies of the June HP Handheld Users' Conference proceedings. For those who are interested in obtaining a copy (110 pages of material), I have been given permission to offer xeroxed copies here. Ten dollars will be sent back to the Chicago group for every copy sold. Here's the rundown of tapes/proceedings at the present time: 11/11/90 Philadelphia Area HP Handheld Club meeting. $10. Bill Wickes guest speaker. (including Approx 4 hrs on one VHS tape, plus the postage) 18-page handout given to attendees. 6/1/90 - Chicago HP Handheld User's Conference. $15. 6/6/90 Several meetings and speakers including (including Bill Wickes and Eric Vogel of HP. postage) Approx 16 hrs on two 8-hour VHS tapes, plus a 3-page synopsis of contents. 6/2/90 - Chicago HP Conference proceedings. 110 pages $12.50 if including HP48 programs and several diagrams. ordered with any of the tapes; $15.00 if ordered separately. 6/2/90 - "HP48 Goodies" Disk (originally supplied with $1.00 if ordered conference proceedings) plus "HP48 SWAP02" with anything disk of contributed stuff from attendees. Both else. combined onto one disk. Jake Schwartz 135 Saxby Terrace Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 609-751-1310 home 609-866-6268 work (I have tapes of several other HP users gatherings going back as far as 1986, including several HP product introductions by Corvallis employees. Please contact me if interested. All are NTSC VHS format.) #! rnews 2707 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: handhelds@gac.edu (handhelds@gac.edu) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 11:09:41 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:49 GMT Subject: Can't Find MailCenter! Message-ID: <9012110010.AA08282@internal.apple.com> Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!gacvx2.gac.edu!hhdist Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 54 To: Steve_Winters.PERIPH_PROJ@gateway.qm.apple.com Return-path: <handhelds@gac.edu> To: Steve_Winters.PERIPH_PROJ@gateway.qm.apple.com Mail*Link#170# DTE48 terminal emulator Received: by gateway.qm.apple.com; 9 Dec 90 06:09:39 Received: from apple.com by goofy.apple.com with SMTP (5.61/25-eef) id AA20841; Sun, 9 Dec 90 04:10:09 -0800 for winters Received: from gacvx2.gac.edu by apple.com with SMTP (5.61/25-eef) id AA08700; Sun, 9 Dec 90 04:09:53 -0800 for Steve_Winters.PERIPH_PROJ@gateway.qm.apple.com Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 06:06 CST From: handhelds@gac.edu Subject: DTE48 terminal emulator Sender: NEWSMGR@gacvx2.gac.edu To: HANDHELDS@gacvx2.gac.edu Errors-To: postmaster@gac.edu Reply-To: handhelds@gac.edu Message-Id: <A4611D1B60001B36@gacvx2.gac.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"HANDHELDS@GACVX2.GAC.EDU" Comments: Forwarded from COMP.SYS.HANDHELDS by GACVX2.GAC.EDU Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0 13/10/90 VAX/VMS V5.4; site gacvx2.gac.edu Path: gacvx2.gac.edu!noc.MR.NET!msi.umn.edu!src.honeywell.com!uwm.edu!wuarchive!usc! zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu!rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu!YEE Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Subject: DTE48 terminal emulator Message-ID: <6327@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu> From: YEE@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Roger Yee) Date: 9 Dec 90 08:09:05 GMT Sender: news@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: Ohio State University Nntp-Posting-Host: rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu Lines: 20 Hello, This note is primarily directed to Kevin Jessup. I have downloaded the previous message for the DTE48 V1.02 and used a friends cable to transfer it to my calculator. The problem comes in when trying to ASC-> the string. (after removeing all the carriage returns like the instruction says). I tried to do this it and it says invalid string or something on that order. I was wondering if someone has gotten this to work could send me a copy in the uploaded ascii directory form (normal uploading no ->asc please). By the way, The file I downloaded looked like this: %%HP: T(3)A(D)F(.); @ADDED THIS LIKE MOST PROGRAMS I HAVE SEEN HAVE "69A20FF............." @ONE LONG STRING Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Roger Yee (YEE@RCGL1.ENG.OHIO-STATE.EDU) #! rnews 1602 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: wscott@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Wayne H Scott) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 1990 20:11:54 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:16:51 GMT Subject: ASC to bin program Message-ID: <1990Dec9.201154.21797@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!en.ecn.purdue.edu!wscott Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 38 The following is a script that I have found useful. It will read a text file containing a program encoded in the ->ASC format and extract the binary file. I use this to speed downloads to my HP. And I don't need the ->ASC program on the 48. It is written in perl so I realize that many people will not be able to use it. Someday the rest of the world will understand. #!/usr/unsup/perl # unasc # A perl program to extract a HP-48 binary from a text file containing a # ->ASC program. # # Usage: unasc file > binfile # # Written by Wayne Scott 1990 while (<>) { next if (!(/^%%HP/../"$/)); # Skip everything but program chop; $file .= $_; } $file =~ s/.*"(\w*)\w\w\w\w".*/\1/; # strip newlines, ", and CRC $file =~ s/(.)(.)/pack(C,hex(\1.\2))/eg; # convert ascii to bin print $file; -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Wayne Scott | INTERNET: wscott@ecn.purdue.edu Electrical Engineering | BITNET: wscott%ecn.purdue.edu@purccvm Purdue University | UUCP: {purdue, pur-ee}!ecn.purdue.edu!wscott #! rnews 1406 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: arisz@sco.COM (Aris Zakinthinos) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 1990 19:03:45 GMT Date-Received: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 23:18:46 GMT Subject: Information Requested Message-ID: <1990Dec10.190345.16178@sco.COM> Organization: SCO Canada, Inc. (formerly HCR Corporation) Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!uunet!attcan!ncrcan!scocan!arisz Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Distribution: na Sender: news@sco.COM (News administration) Lines: 17 I am a University of Waterloo co-op student and I will be heading back to school in a little while. I wish to get a new calculator but I am not sure what to get. Next term I am going to be taking a course on semi-conducters and need (want 8-) a calculator that does matrices with complex elements and (hopefuly) will allow to leave a frequency variable and have it solve the matrix symbolicaly. As you can probably tell I need this calculator mostly for circuit analysis. In my other circuit analysis courses I had to solve those blody matices by hand (yuk!) so this time I want to be better prepared. I have looked into both the 28S and 48SX but don't know enough about either to make an educated choice. Any help would be apreciated. You can either post or mail me directly my net address is scocan!arisz Thanks in advance, Aris Zakinthinos. #! rnews 565 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.4 1990/05/09; site hpuslma.STLOUIS.HP.COM From: johankha@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Johan Khafra) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 1990 20:53:40 GMT Date-Received: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 02:16:33 GMT Subject: Synthetic Programming Message-ID: <6Jiau1w163w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca> Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Van, B.C Path: hpuslma!hpfcse!hpfcmgw!hpfcso!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!cynic!tz!johankha Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Lines: 2 That book is called "Synthetic Programming for the 41" written by William C. Wickes. #! rnews 527 Path: monsanto.com!kncarp From: kncarp@monsanto.com Newsgroups: sci.astro Subject: News test, please respond. Message-ID: <1990Dec26.121541.3051@monsanto.com> Date: 26 Dec 90 12:15:41 -7 Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO Lines: 6 Sorry to waste bandwidth, but we seem to be having problems posting to news. Would somebody (everybody?) who reads this please email me a "I got it" message. Kevin Carpenter kncarp@nicsn1.monsanto.com (sci.astro is my favorite board, if you can't pester friends, who can you pester)