[net.micro] info on AT wanted

gottloeb@trwrba.UUCP (Jeff R. Gottloeb) (08/28/84)

[death to the line eater]

Be careful, a local dealer told me that the new IBM AT
can not use the existing peripheral boards for the PC's
and XT's in the AT.

cem@intelca.UUCP (Chuck McManis) (08/28/84)

In reference to the incompatibility of using PC boards with the AT, this
is sorta of true and sort of false. The PC AT has an additional card edge
connector in "front" of the PC compatible edge connector. This extra 
connector has the extended address lines and some other useful signals 
that are present on the 80286, the problem arises from the fact that some
manufacturers, in order to get an extra couple of square inchs of board
space made there boards with an overhang. In military jargon this "conflicts"
with the second connector. Attempt at picture follows :


		Bad				Good
|				|	|				|
|				|	|				|
|		      +-+	|	------------------------+       |
+---------------------+ +-------+				+-------+ 

So if you have a "good" board it will work. 

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gnome@olivee.UUCP (08/28/84)

It's true.  The AT has another connector sitting side-by-side
with the other 62 pin connector.  Any card with an overhand
automatically won't fit.

Electrically, it's anyone's guess...

Gary

hohensee@uiucdcs.UUCP (09/02/84)

#R:ucsbcsl:-15000:uiucdcs:10400151:000:179
uiucdcs!hohensee    Sep  2 00:28:00 1984

I do hope that you happen to have wandered into notes net.micro.pc
to see that fine job the net noters have done in digging through
and throughout the PC/AT.

Dooo take a look.

seaburg@uiucdcs.UUCP (09/07/84)

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uiucdcs!seaburg    Sep  6 19:44:00 1984

Absolutely.  The AT should run most XT software I think.  As for user-
friendliness, well you're getting DOS 3.0.  Not much better than 2.0
in friendliness terms!

STERNLIGHT@USC-ECL.ARPA (09/07/84)

From:  STERNLIGHT <STERNLIGHT@USC-ECL.ARPA>

My  AT  runs sidekick just fine.  I modified my (legitimate purchased)
copy to unprotect the program, following the instructions  now  widely
available on RBBS systems, copied it to my hard disk, set it up to use
its files on  the  hard  disk  path  I  stored  it  on,  included  its
invocation  in my autoexec file, and haven't had a bit of trouble with
it on the AT.  It's  really  nice,  and  instantaneous.   I  had  been
running it on my previous machine, a PC Portable (IBM) from a Ramdisk,
and I cannot tell the difference (speed-wise) in running it  from  the
AT hard disk.  Boys and girls, that hard disk is really FAST.  I infer
it is because it is running on a 16-bit bus.  I see no reason to use a
RAMDISK  on  the  AT,  with  a hard disk that fast.  So unless you are
getting Xenix or PC/IX, order yours with 640k of core, not the 1 to  3
megabytes possible, since PC-DOS 3.0 (and earlier) can apparently only
handle up to 640k, except as a ramdisk.

By  the  way,  a  useful thing to do is create a file called TODO, and
make that your default notes file, using it  as  your  rolling  to  do
list.   Then you have both an appointment calendar and a to do list in
Sidekick.  A really fine product; I recommend it without hesitation.

My  AT  also  runs Mite, Minding Your Money, 1-2-3 (unprotected and on
the hard disk), PC-Talk 3.65 (compiled version), all the  utilities  I
have  EXCEPT  the  Norton Utilities that address the directory or disk
(they say AT versions will be out in October), and all the programs  I
have  tried  in  BASIC run fine with the new DOS 3.0 version of BASICA
and BASIC.  It does not run Framework.  I am told by my dealer that it
will  run  Symphony.   It  runs  all  the editors I have tried so far,
including the public domain ones as well as wordstar.

--david--
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grunwald@uiucdcsb.UUCP (09/11/84)

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uiucdcsb!grunwald    Sep 11 13:10:00 1984

re: using the overhanging boards in the At

Actually, I think that there are 1 or 2 slots which do not have the extended
bus, and you can use the overhang boards on those slots.

billh@hpisla.UUCP (billh) (09/18/84)

	In my ibm pc/at, there are two (out of 8) slots that do not
have the second connector installed.  Therefore, as many as two of
the "bad" cards will fit without any problems.

Bill Hunt (hplabs!hpisla!billh)

p.s.  The compatibility between the pc/xt and the pc/at is surprisingly
good considering the processor/disk/keyboard changes.  Lotus 1-2-3,
(lotus devel) mince (mark of the unicorn), kermit (columbia univ)
edix/wordix (emerging technology), VDTE (terminal emulator from
inner loop software), and numerous compilers/assemblers/linkers all
seem to run just fine.  Sidekick (borland international) does not
run (probably touches the keyboard hardware).