[comp.sys.sgi] internet for the rest of the universe

Dan Karron@UCBVAX.BERKELEY.EDU (12/08/90)

We here in academia are used to unlimited internet access. I was
wondering how people in small startup computer graphics or
advertizing firms can get internet access.

I know that the internet is sponsored by the goverment, but I find
e-mail, ftp, and rlogin so usefull on a universal basis that
I am shocked to hear of installations where there is no hope of net
access.

I would like to propose to sgi that they link all of their sales offices
with expensive T1 links (I understand that there is a push on to link the
sgi external offices with moderate speed SLIP connections) and offer
 local loops or one hop uucp service to customers that don't have
academic or defense connections.

This would defry the large cost of a T1 line (we did pay > 1,200 month prior
to our fiber optics link) to many distant locations. My hope is that
the cost would be allocated on a sliding scale, based on the number of
machines at the customer sight, users, expected volume etc.

Just think of the savings in fe time if they can do most maintenance via
the net.

This would also open up info-iris or comp.sci.sgi to a large segment of
users/markets that is not represented in this forum.

Forget cu/kermit. Think tcp/ip-fddi for everyone.

dan. (damm the expense. full speed ahead into the future)

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jim@baroque.Stanford.EDU (James Helman) (12/09/90)

Right vision (universal access), wrong method (vendor sponsored link
to a government funded WAN).

Regulations prohibit the commercial use of the Internet.  Regulations
change, but currently, SGI is not in a position to offer Internet
access to its customers.  They're not in the network business anyway.
But companies such as PSI (profit) and UUNET (non-profit) are.  Both
offer Internet access (subject to the usage guidelines).  If you've
got the money, they've got the connection.  And the Internet (or
rather it's successor, the National Research and Education Network)
will eventually be commercialized (although how to best do it is
non-obvious, see RFC1192).  Being phased out when commerical services
can meet the country's networking needs is actually part of NREN's
mandate.  We're just using the prototype (Internet) of the prototype
(NREN) of a commericial network.

   "The NREN should be the prototype of a new national information
   infrastructure which could be available to every home, office and
   factory.  ....  The corresponding ease of inter-computer
   communication will then provide the benefits associated with the
   NREN to the entire nation, improving the productivity of all
   information- handling activities.  To achieve this end, the
   deployment of the Stage 3 NREN will include a specific, structured
   process resulting in transition of the network from a government
   operation a commercial service."  -- Office of Science and
   Technology Policy, The Federal High Performance Computing Program,
   September 8, 1989, pp. 32, 35.

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