loki@physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson Rm421) (12/23/90)
>> Date: 22 Dec 90 06:17:50 GMT >> From: tom rohling <wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!spool2.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!uceng!trohling@eddie.mit.edu> >> With all the buzz about 4.0 and X and the dissappearence of NeWS, I >> have only one hope: I have become *very* accustomed to just moving my >> mouse to change which window I'm typing in, where my experience with >> Motif has (on the RS6000's) been that you have to pop that window before >> you can type in it. I find that very annoying and I hope that feature of >> NeWS is not lost in its implementation on these machines. I second that whole heartedly. Having worked with the RS/6000 and Personal IRI, I would caution SGI from altering the feel of their windowing too much away from the current NeWS feel.... especially if moving toward the typical X-window feel. You (SGI) should make sure you know what your customers like about your windowing before changing things. Starting with me, I *don't* like the IBM's windows. Regards, __ __ Loki Jorgenson / / \ \ node: loki@Physics.McGill.CA Grad, Systems Manager / ////// \\\\\\ \ BITNET: PY29@MCGILLA Physics, McGill University \ \\\\\\ ////// / fax: (514) 398-8434 Montreal Quebec CANADA \_\ /_/ phone: (514) 398-7027
andreess@mrlaxs.mrl.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen) (12/23/90)
In article <9012221606.AA16974@frodo.Physics.McGill.CA> loki@physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson Rm421) writes: >>> From: tom rohling <wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!spool2.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!uceng!trohling@eddie.mit.edu> >>> mouse to change which window I'm typing in, where my experience with >>> Motif has (on the RS6000's) been that you have to pop that window before >>> you can type in it. I find that very annoying and I hope that feature of > >things. Starting with me, I *don't* like the IBM's windows. > This is hooey. X Windows and Motif are both very customizable on any platform. If you put the following 3 lines in your personal '.Xdefaults' file, you get SGI-like behavior (pointer focus, interactive placement, etc.) - Mwm*keyboardFocusPolicy: pointer Mwm*focusAutoRaise: False Mwm*interactivePlacement: True (The focusAutoRaise prevents a window from being raised when it gains focus - ie when you move the pointer into it. Clicking on the window still raises it.) Marc -- Marc Andreessen___University of Illinois Materials Research Laboratory __________________andreessen@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu______________________
moraes@cs.toronto.edu (Mark Moraes) (12/23/90)
And of course, if it resembles Real X Windows, you can run your choice of window manager.
drb@eecg.toronto.edu (David R. Blythe) (12/28/90)
In article <1990Dec22.205039.24380@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> andreess@mrlaxs.mrl.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen) writes: >In article <9012221606.AA16974@frodo.Physics.McGill.CA> loki@physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson Rm421) writes: >>>> From: tom rohling <wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!spool2.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!uceng!trohling@eddie.mit.edu> >>>> mouse to change which window I'm typing in, where my experience with >>>> Motif has (on the RS6000's) been that you have to pop that window before >>>> you can type in it. I find that very annoying and I hope that feature of >> >>things. Starting with me, I *don't* like the IBM's windows. >> > >This is hooey. X Windows and Motif are both very customizable on any >platform. If you put the following 3 lines in your personal '.Xdefaults' >file, you get SGI-like behavior (pointer focus, interactive placement, >etc.) - > ... Hardly hooey. Its the default behaviour supplied with the IBM system, and thus the behaviour anyone who unpacks such a system is exposed to. SGI will have the option of supplying a default behaviour with their X implementation that closely matches the behaviour of the current 4Sight system. Hopefully they will adopt this strategy and not force everyone to pour through their manuals to get the same behaviour they have become accustomed to for the last n years. Tunability and judicious choice of distributed defaults are separate issues. >Marc Andreessen___University of Illinois Materials Research Laboratory >__________________andreessen@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu______________________
msc@ramoth.esd.sgi.com (Mark Callow) (01/03/91)
In article <1990Dec22.205039.24380@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, andreess@mrlaxs.mrl.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen) writes: |> This is hooey. X Windows and Motif are both very customizable on any |> platform. If you put the following 3 lines in your personal '.Xdefaults' |> file, you get SGI-like behavior (pointer focus, interactive placement, |> etc.) - |> It's only hooey if you are an xhead or other form of technoweeb. If we failed to pick our shipped defaults so as to make the 4.0 evironment as much like what's gone before as possible, we would be doing a giant disservice to the many users who are only interested in getting their (non-computer-hacking) work done. -- From the TARDIS of Mark Callow msc@ramoth.sgi.com, ...{ames,decwrl}!sgi!msc "Spirits of genius are always opposed by mediocre minds" - Albert Einstein
marcc@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Cooper) (01/03/91)
In article <1991Jan2.200804.5681@odin.corp.sgi.com> msc@sgi.com writes: >In article <1990Dec22.205039.24380@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, andreess@mrlaxs.mrl.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen) writes: >|> This is hooey. X Windows and Motif are both very customizable on any >|> platform. If you put the following 3 lines in your personal '.Xdefaults' >|> file, you get SGI-like behavior (pointer focus, interactive placement, >|> etc.) - >|> Arrgh! I missed Marc Andreessen's original note. What were the lines? This would make switching between X and NeWS (which I have to do throughout the day) much nicer... could someone send them to me? no point in wasting bandwitdth unless a lot of other folks want it... thanks -- Marc Cooper | "In my childhood, I WAS an imaginary playmate." marcc@ncsa.uiuc.edu | -Tom Robbins, EVEN GOWGIRLS GET THE BLUES National Center for Supercomputing Applications Disclaimer: "It's mine! All mine!" -D. Duck
krk@cs.purdue.EDU (Kevin Kuehl) (01/03/91)
In article <1991Jan2.200804.5681@odin.corp.sgi.com> msc@sgi.com writes: >It's only hooey if you are an xhead or other form of technoweeb. >If we failed to pick our shipped defaults so as to make the 4.0 evironment >as much like what's gone before as possible, we would be doing a giant >disservice to the many users who are only interested in getting their >(non-computer-hacking) work done. I completely agree with Mark. I know a few SGI users who aren't a `technoweeb' (I prefer hacker, since I fit in this category). This way, the people who don't care about X or Motif can go along as if nothing changed and those of us who do care can either learn or ask someone. -- Kevin Kuehl krk@cs.purdue.edu kuehlkr@mentor.cc.purude.edu
rose@acf9.nyu.edu (David Rose) (01/03/91)
I would also like to know this for much the same reasone. David W. Rose (rose@math9.nyu.edu) Courant Institute of Mathematics 251 Mercer St New York, NY 10012 (212)998-3133