z@rocksanne.UUCP (Jim Ziobro) (05/15/88)
Just curious: does anyone still use Xerox 1100 machines? I know my old group dumped a couple for $100 per machine a couple years ago. Those machines orginally sold for $30k. They even ran all your favorite Alto programs. In some sense they were pretty unique in that you could program them in BCPL, Mesa, or InterLisp. Though never at the same time... //Z\\ z.henr801c@xerox.com
denber.wbst@Xerox.COM (05/16/88)
"does anyone still use Xerox 1100 machines?" Yes, in fact I have what I claim is the largest remaining collection of 1100's (aka Dolphin or D0) in the world: two fully functional and three in various stages of disrepair. The 1100 really is a rather interesting machine. You can run Smalltalk and Cedar on it, as well as Lisp (Koto runs just fine), XDE (Mesa), and most Alto programs (but not all, especially Clint Parker's Alto games). The hardware directly supports a color display (640 x 480, 4 bits/pixel) in parallel with the 17" b/w screen. You can run both 3 meg. and 10 meg. Ethernet boads on it. It takes up to 2 meg. of memory and has an internal 29 meg. hard disk (the controller will support two drives). Also parallel and serial ports (Lisp only supports the parallel port, but there's a parallel to serial converter you can add). It also uses the wonderful Alto keyboard that accepts the famous 5-key keyset. You can debug the hardware remotely via an Alto attached to the parallel port. Any other 1100's left? After all, this dl *is* called info-*1100*. - Michel
SCHMIDT@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (Christopher Schmidt) (05/17/88)
We still have one 1100 that we keep operational for debugging dorado displays. (Our dorados are in other buildings.) It's not generally powered up, though. I gave up using Koto and reverted to Intermezzo because the color package didn't work in Koto on a dolphin. (I vaguely remember that Darrel Van Buer had some patches, though.) We paid about $69,000 for each of our dolphins. Add some more for dense memory, color, 10 Mbit ethernet boards...the last time I had one on my personal desk (6 months ago) I figured it had about $100,000 into it! We could probably get 3 going if there were a cash prize. We turned the chassis of two preproduction models into heavy-duty carts that they might continue to serve. And there's a lot of aluminum in the disk drives to recycle if you pull the non-aluminum parts off... --Christopher -------
mist@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.dbp.de (Michael Stumpf) (05/18/88)
Hi Jim, we still use Xerox 1100 machines! We are one of those less fortunate research groups still using 1100 machines! We would be happy to be in contact with someone selling those machines @ $100 or so. Seriously! Maybe we would come to the States and just take them away. You should know that we bought an 1108 2 years ago for 120 kDM ($80k!!!!). Good old Europe! Even DayBreaks (1186) sell for $70k regularly - we managed to get one for $25k at a very special rate! With best regards, Michael and friends
Herod.pasa@XEROX.COM (05/19/88)
I have the largest collection. Several fully operational and quite a few more that are used for repairs. We still, on occasion, run around the country fixing them for a few customers. Reggie
DonStewart.PASA@XEROX.COM (05/19/88)
We have 5 fully functioning 1100s, one of which is used daily for mail. We regularly use an 1100 with an IFS to make map extractions for either Smalltalk or Interlisp/Notecards data input from a converted World Data Base II file with 1 second resolution.