[comp.sys.xerox] Need Advice - Expert System Development

ttf@VAX3.ITI.ORG ("Tihamer T. Toth-Fejel") (07/31/89)

I have experience on explorers, suns running lucid commonlisp & 
knowledgecraft, xerox 1100's, and suns running xerox (envos).

By far, the best development environment is envos,
with explorers coming a near second, especially once I fixed it
to act more like envos.
Lucid commonlisp comes a very distant third, primarily because
the editor is not integrated at all.
We are getting our third sun 4 running with envos for < than $20K
considerably less, in fact, but we have an educational discount.

I would agree with Hunter that a sun with lots of memory is a
good idea, but I would STRONGLY discourage Lucid Commonlisp
as a development environment.  Delivery - maybe.

I like the way Robert Nobel (Lisp guru from Intellicorp)
compared envos (xerox) and the sybolics (which is very similar]
to the explorer, I hear).  The envos system gives you precise
control quickly, like a small whip - flick, flick, flick.
The symbolics, he said, is like a battleship main gun - takes
a long time to get the gun pointed at your problem, and then
KABOOM!  My personal experience is that the Interlisp (envos)
system is much friendlier WRT to West coast style of sloppy windows,
which gives you cognitive access to much more info than the
East coast, neat windows.
While the explorer disk ascess is considerably faster, there is
not much need for it as there is grab and stuff capability
that envos has, (and so does suntools, but lucid doesn't use it!!!!
idiots).  

WRT to unix communication, it is true that Lucid does have
a relatively good one, but I don't see that necessarily as
an advantage.  As far as I'm concerned, unix was invented
before there was such a thing as mouse, giving rise to the
"limited number of keystokes per lifetime" idea, resulting
in the rediculous use of abreviations.  Unix was writen for
machines, not for people.  On the other hand, Xerox Parc
did a lot of work on human factors when they designed the
tools that are included in envos.

Ok, I'll get off my soap box now.