Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) (04/15/91)
Today I was able to remove the hard drive from a Pro 350 before it went to the scrap heap. When I got it home, and put it in my 350, it booted right up into P/OS 3.1. Some kind soul defined a default accout on it, so I am able to get into the menu. Unfortunatly, the default account is _not_ the system account, and I am wondering if anyone knows of any way to finf out how I can get into the system account? I tried 'system', and password 'system', but that of course, didnt work. I am able to do just about anything I want with it, execpt for account maintaince. I am able to access DCL, but when I do a $ DIR DW2:[*] because I am not the system, I get lots off access errors. Thanx Billy D'Augustine Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
slsw2@cc.usu.edu (04/17/91)
In article <41275@cup.portal.com>, Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: > Today I was able to remove the hard drive from a Pro 350 before it > went to the scrap heap. When I got it home, and put it in my 350, > it booted right up into P/OS 3.1. Some kind soul defined a default > accout on it, so I am able to get into the menu. Unfortunatly, the > default account is _not_ the system account, and I am wondering if > anyone knows of any way to finf out how I can get into the system > account? I tried 'system', and password 'system', but that of course, > didnt work. Well, I've never really dealt with P/OS, but a long, long time ago I was involved with a group that had a similar problem with a PDP-11/60 that we bought from another group at the site. It ran RSX-11M, but we didn't get any passwords from the group from which we bought the machine. After a lot of poking about in manuals, I found a way to get to the password file, which in that version of RSX-11M was not encrypted. While the machine was booting, executing the startup command file, I pressed ^C. That gave me an MCR prompt at which I could type a command. Since the machine was executing the startup command file, the MCR prompt was attached to the system account. In an obscure manual that I no longer have and don't remember very well, I found the name of the password file. The MCR command that I issued, then, typed the password file on the console. Since P/OS is related to RSX-11M, it might work. Wish I could remember the name of the account file, though... Roger Ivie slsw2@cc.usu.edu
kalisiak@acsu.buffalo.edu (christophe m kalisiak) (04/18/91)
In article <1991Apr16.134937.47433@cc.usu.edu> slsw2@cc.usu.edu writes: >In article <41275@cup.portal.com>, Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: >While the machine was booting, executing the startup command file, I pressed >^C. That gave me an MCR prompt at which I could type a command. Since the >machine was executing the startup command file, the MCR prompt was attached to >the system account. In an obscure manual that I no longer have and don't >remember very well, I found the name of the password file. The MCR command >that I issued, then, typed the password file on the console. What was the command? I would say that if one were to delete the password file, then you could probably start from scratch... Don't quote me on it. >Since P/OS is related to RSX-11M, it might work. Wish I could remember the >name of the account file, though... [0,0]RSX11.SYS Chris Kalisiak V076N3W7@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu kalisiak@acsu.buffalo.edu
slsw2@cc.usu.edu (04/22/91)
In article <71506@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, kalisiak@acsu.buffalo.edu (christophe m kalisiak) writes: > In article <1991Apr16.134937.47433@cc.usu.edu> slsw2@cc.usu.edu writes: >>In article <41275@cup.portal.com>, Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: >>While the machine was booting, executing the startup command file, I pressed >>^C. That gave me an MCR prompt at which I could type a command. Since the >>machine was executing the startup command file, the MCR prompt was attached to >>the system account. In an obscure manual that I no longer have and don't >>remember very well, I found the name of the password file. The MCR command >>that I issued, then, typed the password file on the console. > > What was the command? I would say that if one were to delete the > password file, then you could probably start from scratch... > Don't quote me on it. It was just PIP TO:=filename. Since the file was not encrypted, the passwords showed up. BTW, deleting the password file is probably not a good idea. If you do it on VMS, you just plain can't get in unless you do a conversational bootstrap and set the startup file to OPA0:... > >>Since P/OS is related to RSX-11M, it might work. Wish I could remember the >>name of the account file, though... > > [0,0]RSX11.SYS I dunno; sounds like the system image to me. I'd want to poke about the documentation for a while before I deleted that one. Roger Ivie slsw2@cc.usu.edu
kalisiak@acsu.buffalo.edu (christophe m kalisiak) (04/25/91)
In article <1991Apr22.154959.47516@cc.usu.edu> slsw2@cc.usu.edu writes: >In article <71506@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, kalisiak@acsu.buffalo.edu (christophe m kalisiak) writes: >> In article <1991Apr16.134937.47433@cc.usu.edu> slsw2@cc.usu.edu writes: >>>In article <41275@cup.portal.com>, Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: [...] deleted >It was just PIP TO:=filename. Since the file was not encrypted, the passwords >showed up. This only works on versions of RSX in which the password file is not encrypted. I think they started encription at V3.0 of 11M/PLUS. >BTW, deleting the password file is probably not a good idea. If you do it on >VMS, you just plain can't get in unless you do a conversational bootstrap and >set the startup file to OPA0:... I have never really had to worry about system protections... If I had to do it I would just hit ^c while the STARTUP.CMD file was executing then type ABO AT.T0 to kill the IND. >>>Since P/OS is related to RSX-11M, it might work. Wish I could remember the >>>name of the account file, though... >> >> [0,0]RSX11.SYS > >I dunno; sounds like the system image to me. I'd want to poke about the >documentation for a while before I deleted that one. I know for a fact that RSX11.SYS is the password file. I don't know what you would do with it though. Chris Kalisiak kalisiak@acsu.buffalo.edu V076N3W7@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu