jason@cs.utexas.edu (Jason Martin Levitt) (05/08/90)
In article <1698@ks.UUCP> drake@ibmarc.uucp (Sam Drake) writes: > >In article <1990May6.212646.20580@cs.utk.edu> moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) writes: >>Or how about the >>fact that nearly all of the utilities now have verbose error messages, >>even when the old terse message was sufficient? > >1. If you want to see old terse messages, issue: > > export LANG=C > > [stuff deleted] > >2. Who decides when an "old terse message is sufficient"? Were they > sufficient to secretaries? Or just to hackers? [LANG=En_US] ksh: kjj: 0403-016 Cannot find or open the file. [LANG=C] ksh: kjj: cannot open [LANG=En_US] 0506-764 ln: /tmp: Cannot use this command with a directory. [LANG=C] ln : </tmp> directory Canonicalizing all the error msgs by assigning them numbers and more verbose explanations isn't such a bad idea, but it will hardly make the system usable by secretaries. It does nothing to prevent an accidental "rm *" or hide the details of the filesystem from the user. Secretaries will run Motif and shrink-wrapped applications in which case they will probably never [want to] use Unix shells. And they shouldn't need to. The big gain here will be made by IBM SEs who will now be able to look up customers' complaints by the error number. >Nor, apparently, does your installation want C2 security in it's >operating system, which neither UCB nor AT&T ship today. > I haven't heard about IBM shipping *anything* on a Powerstation yet. You can buy SunOS 4.1 *today* which is B2 certified. And AT&T is advertising System V/MLS which is B1 certified -- I don't know if it's shipping yet. If security is important to you, you sure don't want to go with a measly C2 rated system. ---Jason ----- Jason Martin Levitt P.O. Box 49860 Austin, Texas 78765 (512) 459-0055 Internet: jason@cs.utexas.edu | "Disneyland exemplifies the essence of UUCP : cs.utexas.edu!hackbox!jason | the American spirit and continues to BIX : jlevitt | show us the way to follow our dreams." | -Ronald Reagan [1990]
guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) (05/09/90)
>You can buy SunOS 4.1 *today* which is B2 certified.
Err, are you sure that 4.1, out of the box, is B2-certified? SunOS 4.x
has a C2-secure mode, but as I remember from when I was at Sun, there
was no intent to have the C2 product actually be certified (getting
something certified was, from what I remember, a pain). There was a
project to do a certified SunOS product - B2, perhaps - but it was going
to be a separate product from standard SunOS, just as AT&T's S5/MLS is
separate from standard S5.jason@cs.utexas.edu (Jason Martin Levitt) (05/09/90)
In article <3318@auspex.auspex.com> guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) writes: >>You can buy SunOS 4.1 *today* which is B2 certified. > >Err, are you sure that 4.1, out of the box, is B2-certified? SunOS 4.x >has a C2-secure mode [stuff deleted]. True. The general release of SunOS 4.1 is not B2 certified. But Sun does sell a B2 certified version.... ---Jason