johanes@tagore.helios.nd.edu (Johanes Suhardjo) (05/07/91)
I'm thinking of replacing the AIX with BSD on my RTs. How much will it cost? -- ____________________________________________________________________________ | Johanes Suhardjo | Civil Engineering | | suhardjo@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu | University of Notre Dame | | johanes@newton.ce.nd.edu | P.O. Box 825, Notre Dame, IN 46556 | ____________________________________________________________________________
brunner@practic.UUCP (Thomas Eric Brunner) (05/11/91)
In article <1991May6.200858.11411@news.nd.edu> suhardjo@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu writes: >I'm thinking of replacing the AIX with BSD on my RTs. How much will it >cost? > >-- > > ____________________________________________________________________________ >| Johanes Suhardjo | Civil Engineering | >| suhardjo@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu | University of Notre Dame | >| johanes@newton.ce.nd.edu | P.O. Box 825, Notre Dame, IN 46556 | > ____________________________________________________________________________ Johanes, the IBM/4.3 product was withdrawn in December of last year, so in practical terms the cost is infinite -- IBM will not sell it to you under any circumstances. It may be the case that Notre Dame already has one or more rt's running IBM/4.3 (aka "ACIS", "AOS", or perhaps "Berkeley Unix"), according to my copy of the customer list, Notre Dame is a University Customer of IBM 4.3, and a Dr. Chong Lee is listed as the point of contact at Notre Dame. I suggest that you speak with Dr. Lee or his/her replacement and locate your September and/or December 1988 distribution tapes, or the Notre Dame network loader host, and do an installation from either of those two sources. Note that you _must_ have a binary-only C compiler (Metaware), I think that the release level at that time was 2.1n (use cc -v, or ar t on an available .c or .a files, resp.), and the last version of the compiler I released prior to the end of support for the products (4.3 as well as all of the 3rd party licensed compilers) was 2.1y. If you get this far (install the September release or the December upgrade), you may wish to install some or all of the patches I've posted to this news group since May 1989 when I started supporting the product. These are all available with the exception of the 3rd party compilers via anonymous FTP from bikini.cis.ufl.edu (aka "ufl.edu"). There are quite a few cooperating sites running 4.3bsd on the RT in the US and abroad. In Indiana are is the Bloomington and Indianapolis campus of the State University system, and Purdue. Let me know if you decide to take the trouble to replace AIX 2.2.1 with IBM/4.3, I'll be happy to help via email and/or phone. -- #include <std/disclaimer.h> Eric Brunner 4bsd/RT Project inet: brunner@monet.berkeley.edu uucp: uunet!practic!brunner trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.
jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) (05/13/91)
Is there any chance that IBM will release the source code for the BSD port?
IBM no longer has any financial interest in keeping it restricted (as far as
I can tell; both the RT and AIX v2 are dead products). If the source were
released it could probably be integrated into the BSD release (a port to 4.3
reno has already been done; but the VM interface will change for BSD 4.4)
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John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)johanes@lagrange.ce.nd.edu (Johanes Suhardjo) (05/13/91)
In article <48170@practic.UUCP>, brunner@practic.UUCP (Thomas Eric Brunner) writes: |> |> Johanes, the IBM/4.3 product was withdrawn in December of last year, so in |> practical terms the cost is infinite -- IBM will not sell it to you under |> any circumstances. It may be the case that Notre Dame already has one or |> more rt's running IBM/4.3 (aka "ACIS", "AOS", or perhaps "Berkeley Unix"), |> according to my copy of the customer list, Notre Dame is a University |> Customer of IBM 4.3, and a Dr. Chong Lee is listed as the point of contact |> at Notre Dame. I suggest that you speak with Dr. Lee or his/her replacement |> and locate your September and/or December 1988 distribution tapes, or the |> Notre Dame network loader host, and do an installation from either of those |> two sources. |> |> Note that you _must_ have a binary-only C compiler (Metaware), I think that |> the release level at that time was 2.1n (use cc -v, or ar t on an available |> .c or .a files, resp.), and the last version of the compiler I released |> prior to the end of support for the products (4.3 as well as all of the |> 3rd party licensed compilers) was 2.1y. |> |> If you get this far (install the September release or the December upgrade), |> you may wish to install some or all of the patches I've posted to this news |> group since May 1989 when I started supporting the product. These are all |> available with the exception of the 3rd party compilers via anonymous FTP |> from bikini.cis.ufl.edu (aka "ufl.edu"). |> |> There are quite a few cooperating sites running 4.3bsd on the RT in the |> US and abroad. In Indiana are is the Bloomington and Indianapolis campus |> of the State University system, and Purdue. Let me know if you decide to |> take the trouble to replace AIX 2.2.1 with IBM/4.3, I'll be happy to help |> via email and/or phone. |> |> |> -- |> #include <std/disclaimer.h> |> Eric Brunner 4bsd/RT Project |> inet: brunner@monet.berkeley.edu uucp: uunet!practic!brunner |> trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head. Thanks a lot for the information. I don't know how much trouble it will be. For your information, these RT's have been dead for years. I am just trying to ressurect them for fun. If I work for half an hour a day, how long will it take to replace the AIX with BSD? Any further information will be appreciated. In the mean time, I'll try to contact Dr. Chong Lee. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ | Johanes Suhardjo | Civil Engineering | | suhardjo@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu | University of Notre Dame | | johanes@newton.ce.nd.edu | P.O. Box 825, Notre Dame, IN 46556 | ____________________________________________________________________________
rayan@cs.toronto.edu (Rayan Zachariassen) (05/13/91)
As I understand it, there might be IBM-internal politics involved in freeing up RT code. Even though we all know BSD/RT is *no* competition for the RS/6000 product, there may be people at IBM who feel otherwise. Someone at IBM is supposed to have been working on getting them to free up their code, but I haven't heard of any movement in the area. If it happens, and gcc2 for the RT becomes available, it is almost certain to find its way into the UCB CSRG BSD releases. This is also the only practical way to distribute post-AOS 4bsd work, since noone is going to want to check AT&T licenses if they aren't already set up to do it. rayan
pmartin@uceng.UC.EDU (Paul Martin) (05/22/91)
In article <1991May13.141315.8410@news.nd.edu> suhardjo@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu writes: >In article <48170@practic.UUCP>, brunner@practic.UUCP (Thomas Eric Brunner) writes: >|> There are quite a few cooperating sites running 4.3bsd on the RT in the >|> US and abroad. In Indiana are is the Bloomington and Indianapolis campus >|> of the State University system, and Purdue. Let me know if you decide to >just trying to ressurect them for fun. If I work for half an hour a day, how long will it take to replace the AIX with BSD? Any further We are using mach (msd 2.6) from Mt. Xinu on our RT's. This gives us a BSD look and feel plus the mach kernel. We just installed it a couple of months ago. We had the usual startup problems, but currently it runs reasonably well. Much better than AIX. If you need any further info, email me at Paul.Martin@UC.EDU or the address that follow. -- +-----------------[Paul Martin @ Engineering College OCC, UC]-----------------+ | Internet: pmartin@uceng.uc.edu | "Yes I am serious, | | Dumb: ...uceng!pmartin | and don't call me Shirley" | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+