[comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc] new 3Com 3C505 card

dpl@cisunx.UUCP (David P. Lithgow) (10/05/88)

To all 3COM 3C501 users,

	I have a 3Com 3C505 PC bus-to-ethernet adapter, which is the
follow-on product to the venerable 3C501.  Nice things like PCIP,
NCSA Telnet, DECnet/DOS, PCNFS, and netwatch run on the 3C501, but nothing
for the 3C505 yet (is this still the case?).

	The 3C505 is supposed to be much better, with more buffering and
a higher throughput rating.

	Question: does anyone have any documentation on this new card which
would allow me to adapt PCIP or these other products for it?  3COM has
been inexplicably uncooperative..

	I need to have documentation which would allow the writing of a
driver for it, so device registers are really what I'm after.

							-David

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romkey@asylum.UUCP (John Romkey) (10/05/88)

In article <12996@cisunx.UUCP> dpl@cisunx.UUCP (David P. Lithgow) writes:
>	I have a 3Com 3C505 PC bus-to-ethernet adapter, which is the
>follow-on product to the venerable 3C501.

The 3C505 is actually almost as venerable as the 3C501. It was
intended not as a follow-on product but as an entry into a slightly
different market. The 3C505 is a smart board with an 80186 on it, and
you can download code to it or use it as a dumb board. It tends to run
like a dog (with one leg). It's a pain to use as either a smart or
dumb board, so there aren't lots of pieces of software that support
it. The only TCP/IP implementations for it that I can think of offhand
are NRC's Fusion and FTP Software's PC/TCP.

If you want *real* new 3COM boards, check out the 3C503 (real
successor to the 3C501) and 3C523 (Microchannel board). You can
probably get lower prices, better performance and wider software
support from the Western Digital WD8003 and Micom-Interlan NI5210,
though.
			- john romkey
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jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (10/05/88)

We sell versions of our PC/TCP product for the 3Com 3C505.  Our drivers
use 3Com's on-board ROM, and don't load any of their own code onto the
board.  We ship the code with a TCP window of 1024, same as the 3C501.

I think that Network Research did a version of their PC product, which 
does actually load code onto the board.  I've never used it.

3Com should be willing to sell you a "3L" library for the 3C505, probably
for $995, which contains source for an example driver.  I don't think
their driver loads code onto the board, but I'm not sure.

Driving the board has a number of tricky timing issues, which would be best
resolved by looking at someone else's code.  Try 3Com again...

James VanBokkelen
FTP Software Inc.

timk@NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Tim Krauskopf) (10/06/88)

I don't have the 3C505 specs, but a user contributed a driver for the 3C505
for NCSA Telnet version 2.1.  I need a volunteer to update it for version 2.2.

Check out the 3C503 also, it has better price-performance because it is less
expensive.  Does the software you want to run take advantage of the extra
hardware on the 3C505?  NCSA Telnet isn't built that way.


Tim Krauskopf                timk@ncsa.uiuc.edu (ARPA)

National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) 
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign