ejf@well.UUCP (Erik James Freed) (09/27/88)
I am sure that this is an old topic but due to my only recent interest in this I am looking to find out what TCP-IP libraries are available that run on Pcs and Macs. I would be very appreciative of some pointers to where to find out more... Thanks in advance. Erik Freed UUCP:well!ejf (415) 461-5400
jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (09/28/88)
We sell libraries for the PC under DOS. Version 2 includes a pretty good Berkeley Sockets emulation in addition to a native PC interface. Version 1 looks a lot like PC/IP in structore (the tasker is linked in). James VanBokkelen FTP Software Inc.
tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) (09/29/88)
In article <7219@well.UUCP> ejf@well.UUCP (Erik James Freed) writes: > > I am sure that this is an old topic but due to my only recent interest >in this I am looking to find out what TCP-IP libraries are available that >run on Pcs and Macs. I would be very appreciative of some pointers to >where to find out more... Thanks in advance. > > Erik Freed > UUCP:well!ejf > (415) 461-5400 Sun/TOPS has got both. I wrote "TOPS TCP/IP" for the Macintosh last year, and it should theoretically be available through the TOPS Developer Program. Brent Noorda did some TCP/IP work on the PC as well, but I don't think it's been broken out of his terminal program for others to use. Sun used another PC TCP/IP for their earlier client-only MS-DOS version of NFS; I don't know about its availability. Apple has announced they will have a TCP/IP, as reported in a recent MacWeek. It was developed by the University of Michigan, primarily. -- Tim Maroney, Consultant, Eclectic Software, sun!hoptoad!tim "The time is gone, the song is over. Thought I'd something more to say." - Roger Waters, Time
verber@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark A. Verber) (09/30/88)
Apple is showing their new TCP/IP drivers at inter/op. They are not the U of Mich drivers. They were written inside Apple. They look pretty good and use some of the ideas that Jacobson (sic) of Berkeley? did to BSD TCP/IP. Cheers, Mark
tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) (10/01/88)
In article <23036@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> verber@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark A. Verber) writes: >Apple is showing their new TCP/IP drivers at inter/op. They are not >the U of Mich drivers. They were written inside Apple. According to a source at Apple who was kind enough to write me, the Apple TCP/IP implementation was done by Ungermann-Bass. My UofMich speculation was based on what Martin Haeberli told me in 1987, which seemed to be corroborated by recent trade press reports. I know, it was stupid to believe the trade press, sorry.... -- Tim Maroney, Consultant, Eclectic Software, sun!hoptoad!tim "Strong men tremble when they hear it. They've got cause enough to fear it; It's even blacker than they smear it! No one mentions -- my name." - Bill Sykes, "Oliver"
sob@watson.bcm.tmc.edu (Stan Barber) (10/01/88)
In article <5475@hoptoad.uucp> tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes: > >Apple has announced they will have a TCP/IP, as reported in a recent MacWeek. >It was developed by the University of Michigan, primarily. >-- Apple announced MacTCP this week at Interop 88. It is supposedly based on the NCSA kernel and not the UMich stuff (or something link that). It is NOT an end-user package but for developers only. Stanford-IP has been modified to fit as has NCSA Telnet. UB has the first product out on it. Kinetics has also release a similiar product called TCPport. TOPS has not released anything like this, period. Do you know if TOPS will, Tim? Stan internet: sob@bcm.tmc.edu Baylor College of Medicine Olan uucp: {rice,killer,hoptoad}!academ!sob Barber Opinions expressed are only mine.
tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) (10/04/88)
In article <1300@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> sob@watson.bcm.tmc.edu (Stan Barber) writes: >Apple announced MacTCP this week at Interop 88. It is supposedly based >on the NCSA kernel and not the UMich stuff (or something link that). That makes four attributions of the source so far: UofM, Apple, NCSA, and Ungermann-Bass. My money is now riding on the last one. But who knows? >It is NOT an end-user package but for developers only. Stanford-IP has been >modified to fit as has NCSA Telnet. UB has the first product out on it. How nice. In their usual TOPS-bashing, Apple didn't bother to make us aware of it when I was there. I always get a kick out of it when Apple talks about their wonderful support of third-party developers. >Kinetics has also release a similiar product called TCPport. TOPS has not >released anything like this, period. >Do you know if TOPS will, Tim? Probably not; the TOPS developer program is a joke. I have two fine pieces of software, InterBase and TOPS TCP/IP, which would be perfect for it, but no one has ever licensed them because the marketing boys at TOPS don't think beta testing or the developer program are worth a full-time employee. Grumble grr hiss boo. But TOPS TCP/IP stabilized last year, and had the last known bug removed in the spring; it ought to be available now. Maybe you could get it if you asked. What was that I said earlier about not wanting to appear mean-spirited toward my former employer? Oh well.... -- Tim Maroney, Consultant, Eclectic Software, sun!hoptoad!tim "Now hear a plain fact: Swedenborg has not written one new truth: Now hear another: he has written all the old falshoods. And now hear the reason. He conversed with Angels who are all religious, & conversed not with Devils who all hate religion, for he was incapable thro' his conceited notions." - Blake, "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (10/05/88)
As I understand the issue: Apple bought the CITI code (UMich). Apple did the TCP/IP, which may or may not contain CITI code. Apple will supply the TCP/IP layers, accessible via the standard MAC I/O interface (argument blocks and O/S calls, but no socket library) to OEMs, who will re-sell it bundled with add-ons and applications. U-B has some sort of a deal whereby they have gotten a head-start on supplying applications, possibly in return for work on the TCP or IP. Both Apple and U-B products were announced at the Interop convention last week, but neither is shipping right now. U-B beta code, Brown TN3270 and NCSA were present, running on the Apple TCP/IP. The electronic mail center's MAC farm ran NCSA. Disclaimer: I heard very little of this directly from Apple or U-B spokespeople, so ask them before you go out on a limb... jbvb
timk@NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Tim Krauskopf) (10/06/88)
MacTCP was not based on NCSA Telnet's TCP/IP. NCSA Telnet never had system-level drivers which MacTCP has. At Interop 88 we showed our NCSA Telnet running on top of the MacTCP drivers and things were running very well. We will be announcing availability of this NCSA Telnet port as Apple announces availability of MacTCP. Don't ask for it from us(yet). Tim Krauskopf timk@ncsa.uiuc.edu (ARPA) National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign