[comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc] TN3270 on Micom Gateway

hellier@skat.usc.edu (Chuck Hellier) (01/21/89)

I have a problem running MICOM-Interlan Telnet V1.0 - May 20, 1988 via
a MICOM NetWare TCP/IP gateway (with a Micom NP600 connected to our
campus wide-area network) on a Novell server running Netware SFT
v2.10.  The host I wish to connect to is an IBM 3090 running TSO; that
Server Telnet is Access/MVS <V2.1>.  

When telnetting from our Sun 3/50s (BSD 4.2) to MVS, we are able to
negotiate a full-screen edit session, as well as the line mode
(line-at-a-time) session.  The IBM-3278 terminal emulator works
beatuifully.
When telnetting from PCs to MVS, we _cannot_ negotiate a full-screen
edit session, only a simple line mode session.  We are using
Add-A-Terminal's Adds Viewpoint/78 terminal emulator, which is reputed
to fully emulate a 3278 terminal.

This is a beginning of the script of the telnet (Sun->MVS):

>Script started on Thu Jan 19 14:07:44 1989
>% tn3270
>tn3270> toggle options
>Will show option processing.
>tn3270> open mvsa
>Trying...
>Connected to mvsa.usc.edu.
>RCVD will SUPPRESS GO AHEAD (reply)
>SENT do SUPPRESS GO AHEAD (reply)
>
>OS/MVS SERVER TELNET -- AT HOST MVSA.USC.EDU                    
>ACCES/MVS <V2.1> -- Thu, 19 Jan 89 14:08:01 PST
>
>Enter "NEWS" for current news.  Last updated:  14 Apr 88.
>
>ENTER COMMAND OR 'HELP':
>tso hellier
>RCVD do TERMINAL TYPE (reply)
>SENT will TERMINAL TYPE (don't reply)
>Received suboption Terminal type - request to send.
>Sent suboption Terminal type is IBM-3278-2.
>RCVD do END OF RECORD (reply)
>SENT will END OF RECORD (don't reply)
>RCVD will END OF RECORD (reply)
>SENT do END OF RECORD (reply)
>RCVD do BINARY (reply)
>SENT will BINARY (don't reply)
>RCVD will BINARY (reply)
>
>------------------------ USC - System MVSA - TSO LOGON----------------------

I do not have a script of the telnet (PC->MVS), however, I examined a
session (showed option processing), and I noticed that the process
started exactly the same EXCEPT that there was no 
	RCVD do TERMINAL TYPE (reply)
or anything after it.  The MVS Telnet merely went into a line mode
session.  

So, the QUESTION is:
Does the MICOM-Interlan Telnet understand the 
	suboption Terminal type - request to send
message?  If it does, does the Add-A-Terminal Adds Viewpoint/78
emulator send the proper Terminal type?

Interesting, huh?



Please respond to me directly.
						TIA,
						Chuck 
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AEDAVIS@VM.CC.OLEMISS.EDU (Don Davis) (01/22/89)

     Chuck,

     If you could summarize to the net what you discover, I am sure that
others including myself would be interested in what you feel is the problem.

    thanks,

DON DAVIS                      BITNET:    AEDAVIS AT UMSVM
APPLICATIONS ANALYST           INTERNET:  AEDAVIS AT VM.CC.OLEMISS.EDU
UNIVERSITY OF MISSISSIPPI
OCIS
UNIVERSITY, MS. 38677
(601) 232-7206

ron@ron.rutgers.edu (Ron Natalie) (01/24/89)

A long standing bug with the UCLA MVS code and certain TN3270 client implementations
(notably the one that comes with IBM's VM product (and it's Wiscnet predecessor and also
observed with an old copy of Peter DiCamillo's MAC TN3270)) is that the the MVS code
does not negotiate the 3270 mode until you actually type TSO or whatever, but these
clients expect that you select 3270 mode at the beginning of the connection and never
check again.  You should complain to get the tn3270 fixed.

-=Ron