[comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc] Packet Driver for 3C505

wstef@beta.eng.clemson.edu (W. Gregg Stefancik) (04/25/89)

Does one exist?  If so where can I ftp it from?

W. Gregg Stefancik < wstef@eng.clemson.edu >

nelson@SUN.SOE.CLARKSON.EDU (Russ Nelson) (05/03/89)

Seems to me that 3Com doesn't want a freely copyable packet driver for
their 3c505 board.  Seems like an odd attitude to me.
-russ

Date: Wed, 3 May 89 10:17:25 -0400
From: "W. Gregg Stefancik" <wstef@eng.clemson.edu>
To: nelson@clutx.clarkson.edu
Subject: Re:  Packet Driver for 3C505

We finally got word from 3Com about programmers documentation for the
3C505 board.  The documentation would cost $1000.00.  Sounds a little
outrageous to us here.  I'm still willing to write a driver for the
505, but purchasing the documentation is rather costly and hard to justify.

Gregg

clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements) (05/04/89)

>Date: Wed, 3 May 89 10:17:25 -0400
>From: "W. Gregg Stefancik" <wstef@eng.clemson.edu>
>Subject: Re:  Packet Driver for 3C505
>
>We finally got word from 3Com about programmers documentation for the
>3C505 board.  The documentation would cost $1000.00.  Sounds a little
>outrageous to us here.  I'm still willing to write a driver for the
>505, but purchasing the documentation is rather costly and hard to justify.
>
>Gregg

Contact Eric Siegel at 3-Com directly.  Tell him you want to write a
non-commercial FTP Packet Driver spec driver like I did for the 3C503,
and that you will not require technical support.  Under those circumstances
he will give you the info you need.

/Rcc
clements@bbn.com

jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (05/04/89)

If the "documentation" is the same kit I've seen, it includes machine-readable
ASM source code for a driver for the board, and supposedly you can freely
copy this code, or things built from it.  I have never relly looked into
whether they provide real support in return for the money, but they won't
have to worry about internal dispute over whether it is worthwhile.

Not defending the practice, but you do get more than just a manual.

jbvb

timk@NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Tim Krauskopf) (05/07/89)

Our server, ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu (128.174.20.50) contains a contributed driver
for the 3C505 in the contributions directory.  Someone could take that
and add the packet-driver support on top of it.

Tim Krauskopf

NCSA

From: Russ Nelson <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu>
To: pcip@louie.udel.edu
Subject: [wstef@eng.clemson.edu: Re:  Packet Driver for 3C505]

Seems to me that 3Com doesn't want a freely copyable packet driver for
their 3c505 board.  Seems like an odd attitude to me.
-russ

Date: Wed, 3 May 89 10:17:25 -0400
From: "W. Gregg Stefancik" <wstef@eng.clemson.edu>
To: nelson@clutx.clarkson.edu
Subject: Re:  Packet Driver for 3C505

We finally got word from 3Com about programmers documentation for the
3C505 board.  The documentation would cost $1000.00.  Sounds a little
outrageous to us here.  I'm still willing to write a driver for the
505, but purchasing the documentation is rather costly and hard to justify.

Gregg

cccapon@ziebmef.uucp (Chris Capon) (05/14/89)

>Seems to me that 3Com doesn't want a freely copyable packet driver for
>their 3c505 board.  Seems like an odd attitude to me.
>-russ
...
>We finally got word from 3Com about programmers documentation for the
>3C505 board.  The documentation would cost $1000.00.  Sounds a little
>outrageous to us here.  I'm still willing to write a driver for the
>505, but purchasing the documentation is rather costly and hard to justify.
>Gregg

It seems to me that 3COM is still in the dark ages.  I called them up for
technical info on their 3C501 board using the phone number supplied with
the card.  Later that day and many, many routed phone calles later I was
told that if I wanted to get that info I would have to talk to a tech
support representative and that would only cost me $150 per hour.  Nice!  I
finally  got hold of a sales representative and managed to convince him to
send me some smatterings of information.  Gosh, they really are *protective*
over there.  "You have our card... why do you need to know how to talk to it?"
*sigh*

karn@ka9q.bellcore.com (Phil Karn) (05/15/89)

3-Com's attitude towards programming info (yes, I've run into their brick
wall too) seems to be a carry-over from the days when they monopolized the
PC Ethernet market. They do no longer, but old habits die hard.

I suggest that the best way to deal with 3-Com is to buy from their
competitors instead, of which there are now many (Western Digital, TRW,
Interlan, etc). In many cases, the competition not only makes better
products for which you can get documentation, but they're more competitively
priced too.

Be sure to let 3-Com know when you do this.

Phil

PS. These are strictly my personal opinions, not those of my employer...