bshafer@NIKE.CAIR.DU.EDU (Bob Shafer) (05/13/89)
We are looking at the possibility of using NFS for software distribution to networked PC's in student labs in a building on our campus and have a few questions. The software we wish to distribute are things such as the executables for WordPerfect, a spreadsheet and maybe Turbo Pascal and/or C. For the most part, students will carry around diskettes for their data. Each of the workstations shares a dot matrix printer with one other workstation. There will be ~60 IBM PS/2 Model 30286 systems distributed over 3 labs on a single logical ethernet. There will be a few more powerful workstations on the same network (Sun's, VAXStation's, etc.) as well as a Pyramid 90X. The ethernet will also be tied to the campus backbone with a router or bridge of some sort. So the network will typically get a bunch of activity at the beginning of a lab (while students load executables) followed by very little activity for the rest of the time. Our concerns are: Server hardware/software: Options: 1) We have a spare uVAX II sitting around. We could run Ultrix 3.0 with NFS or Mt. Xinu (BSD4.3 with NFS) on this system and use it as a dedicated server. We need some more memory and disk so it might run as much as $6000 to upgrade this system. 2) We might be able to shake loose an IBM RT model 125 or 135 with plenty of memory and disk. The problem here is the operating system software. AIX 2.2.1 is immature and AOS (IBM's BSD 4.3) is not a complete implementation of 4.3. Both have NFS. We have no experience with NFS on AIX. Our experience with NFS on AOS seems to indicate that it is based on an older version of NFS. With IBM's strong commitment to AIX, AIX is probably the way to go. But only after the software matures a bit. That may be too late for this project. We want things in, working and stable the middle to late part of this summer. Another possibility is to use AIX access in place of NFS - the problem with this is that it is not as generic a solution as NFS. And while there will be no additional cost I might find it difficult to pry loose the fingers of the systems person that works on it so we can move it to the building. 3) Use the Pyramid. The problem here is that the system could not be dedicated to server use only. It is used for crunching upon occasion and both the cruncher and the people on workstations would suffer a bit in performance. Though it might be okay to use as a backup server. 4) Buy two fast 80386 systems to use as servers. This is new territory for us and I have no idea what software to run on them. I know there is some NFS server software from FTP and I have heard a PD or shareware version called SOS. I do not know anything about them. I am sure there are other commercial versions as well. 5) Buy something else (such as a Sun) as a server. The problem here is that we have a limited budget and would like to solve the problem (for now) in as economical a method as possible. So our questions are: What server hardware/software combination is both cost effective and capable of doing the job (i.e. does the uVAX II have enough horses to serve this number of workstations, etc)? What other software is out there (and how good is it), either commercial or PD, for an 80386 server solution (if that is a reasonable thing to do)? Comments regarding experiences with server software would also be appreciated. We would particularly be interested if there is an implementation or an add-on that would allow the system to track number of copies of executable that are checked out and prevent a user from checking a copy out if it exceeds the number licensed. Client software: Mostly: What PC client software is the best (read easiest to use, leaves the most memory for user applications, reasonably efficient, etc.)? Are there any PD or shareware implementations of client software (good or bad)? Thanks, Bob Shafer bshafer@du.edu bshafer@ducair.bitnet ncar!dunike!bshafer
jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (05/15/89)
One correction: we aren't doing anything with an NFS server. Our offering is a DOS-based NFS client layered on top of our PC/TCP TSR transport module. The only NFS server software for the 386 that I know of is SCO's port of the Lachmann SysV code. My opinion: Unless 60 clients will make your server crash because it runs out of table space (don't laugh; you'd be surprised at the fragile NFS implementations that exist out there), use the hardware you have. That kind of load, read 1024 bytes at a time (because of PC Ethernet card limitations) won't create much more than a momentary slowdown on the server. The .EXE files you are loading will be less than 3Mb total, so you shouldn't need to buy a disk (I hope you have that much free). If everyone loads at once, then the files will get into cache and stay there for the duration of the startup period. You'd need to hack the server source to add check-out capability. I haven't heard of anyone doing it that way. James B. VanBokkelen 26 Princess St., Wakefield, MA 01880 FTP Software Inc. voice: (617) 246-0900 fax: (617) 246-0901
snorthc@RELAY.NSWC.NAVY.MIL (05/16/89)
> The only NFS server software for the 386 that I know of is SCO's port of > the Lachmann SysV code. I am running the Wollongong Streams TCP for 386 Sys V rel 3.2 UNIXs. I also have their NFS module. It seems to work for both client and server purposes well enough. I have serious doubts about supporting 60 users or whatever the number was. One constraint would be the throughput on the AT style bus to <-> from the disk. Cheers. Stephen Northcutt (snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil)
douglas@twg-ap.UUCP (Douglas P. Ambort) (05/18/89)
In article <8905151343.AA05291@vax.ftp.com>, jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) writes: > ... > The only NFS server software for the 386 that I know of is SCO's port of > the Lachmann SysV code. The Wollongong Group, Inc. also offers NFS (both server and client) for UNIX System V 386 Rel 3.2. .--------------------------------------------------------------------. | Douglas Ambort The Wollongong Group, Inc. | | Product Manager 1129 San Antonio Road | | INTERNET: douglas@twg.com Palo Alto, CA 94303 | | TWX: 910-373-2085 WOLLONGONG PLA (415) 962-7213 | | FAX: (415) 969-5547 | | UUCP/USENET: !{amdahl}!douglas@twg.com | `---------------------------------------------------------------------'