[comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc] Packet Drivers and Dos 4.01

aidan@m1.cs.man.ac.uk (Aidan Loyns) (07/04/90)

I have a 20MHz 386 running DOS 4.01 fitted with a 3C501 card.
Using Sun's PC-NFS produces the results I expect; however, when I try to
use any code using the packet driver (V6), the machine randomly hangs.
I've tried different ethernet cards (ne1000), but again packet driver
software hangs.

Any ideas?
Is it worthwhile reformatting my hard disk and using Dos 3.3?

Thanks,
Aidan Loyns

ASLEEMAN@WAIKATO.AC.NZ (07/06/90)

>From:	IN%"mcsun!ukc!mucs!m1.cs.man.ac.uk@uunet.uu.net"  "Aidan Loyns"  6-JUL-1990 06:20:58.28
>To:	pcip@udel.edu
>Subj:	Packet Drivers and Dos 4.01
>
>I have a 20MHz 386 running DOS 4.01 fitted with a 3C501 card.
>Using Sun's PC-NFS produces the results I expect; however, when I try to
>use any code using the packet driver (V6), the machine randomly hangs.
>I've tried different ethernet cards (ne1000), but again packet driver
>software hangs.
>
>Any ideas?
>Is it worthwhile reformatting my hard disk and using Dos 3.3?

Hold the reformatting of your hard disk for a moment. I believe the problem 
is more likely to be with the packet driver interface for pcnfs. At least 
I and a number of others have discovered that this fall apart when you try
to run PCNFS on top of V6 PACKET DRIVERS. My experience was with the 
wd8003e v6.5 packet driver. Have reverted to an earlier release of the
packet drivers when using PCNFS things are know working very nicely.

The problem has been reported. But as with anything thats free. It's quite
hard to hassle someone into investigating the problem. Perhaps you might like 
to have a go.

>Thanks.

Not a problem, just don't quote me.

>Aidan Loyns
- Andrew 
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billy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (07/06/90)

In article <9007051613.aa10302@louie.udel.edu>, ASLEEMAN@WAIKATO.AC.NZ writes:
>>From:	IN%"mcsun!ukc!mucs!m1.cs.man.ac.uk@uunet.uu.net"  "Aidan Loyns"  6-JUL-1990 06:20:58.28
>>
>>I have a 20MHz 386 running DOS 4.01 fitted with a 3C501 card.
>>Using Sun's PC-NFS produces the results I expect; however, when I try to
>>use any code using the packet driver (V6), the machine randomly hangs.
>>I've tried different ethernet cards (ne1000), but again packet driver
>>software hangs.
> 
> Hold the reformatting of your hard disk for a moment. I believe the problem 
> is more likely to be with the packet driver interface for pcnfs. 
>
Let me share a problem that has been plaguing people in my department which
may or may not be related.  All of a sudden people on my network started
having their PCs lock up when they left for a while.  All of the people
were using Version 6 of the packet drivers to access Netware286 or Netware
386 and running DOS 4.01 (NI5210 and NE1000 cards).  The only things I 
remember happening around that time was a couple of weeks before a server was 
upgraded to 386 and we upgraded to V6 packet drivers.  

Downgrading the packet drivers fixed most people's problems.  I happen to be
the most noticeable exception.  I've tried different versions of the NI5210
packet driver from V2 to V6 and taking out all of my TSRs.  It still locks
up sometimes.  The problem is intermittant though (My PC was on for the last
3 days while I was gone and it was still going strong today).

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CCYILAN@TECHNION.BITNET (Ilan Alter) (07/06/90)

I have tried the same PS/2 70 + 3C523 + DOS 4.01 + Packed Driver (Clarkson)
and it didn't work.

                   Ilan

UPH008@DDOHRZ11.BITNET (Wilhelm Becker) (07/06/90)

On Wed, 4 Jul 90 16:09:29 GMT Aidan Loyns said:
>I have a 20MHz 386 running DOS 4.01 fitted with a 3C501 card.
>Using Sun's PC-NFS produces the results I expect; however, when I try to
>use any code using the packet driver (V6), the machine randomly hangs.
>I've tried different ethernet cards (ne1000), but again packet driver
>software hangs.
>
>Any ideas?
>Is it worthwhile reformatting my hard disk and using Dos 3.3?
>
>Thanks,
>Aidan Loyns

I tried to run KA9Q on a AT286 with MSDOS 3.3 over 2 NE1000 cards. I had the
same problem, after 3 - 5 minutes the machine hung. With WD8003 cards every-
thing works. I believe that, although I have no problems running Novell IPX
with NE1000 cards and packet driver, the NE1000 driver is somehow buggy.



    Wilhelm Becker               Grau, teurer Freund, ist alle Theorie,
                                 Und gruen des Lebens goldner Baum
    Institut fuer Physik
    Universitaet Dortmund          Goethe, Faust I

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ted@arsocomvax.socom.mil (Ted Nolan) (07/10/90)

In article <28881.26945cd6@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> billy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>
>Let me share a problem that has been plaguing people in my department which
>may or may not be related.  All of a sudden people on my network started
>having their PCs lock up when they left for a while.
>
We're seeing some of this with PCNFS 3.01 and NI5210 cards, both with the
Micom supplied PCNFS driver and the Clarkson packet driver + pktd.sys.
Sometimes changing the shared memory address on the card helps, sometimes not.
If anyone has a definitive fix, I'd be most grateful.  This is happening
under DOS 3.3, haven't tried 4.x yet.  Since PCs are single tasking, I find
the fact that this usually occurs only after being idle for a while really odd.

				Ted Nolan
				ted@usasoc.soc.mil

sysop@mixcom.UUCP (System Operator) (07/14/90)

In article <1990Jul9.210810.4055@arsocomvax.socom.mil> ted@usasoc.soc.mil (Ted Nolan) writes:
>We're seeing some of this with PCNFS 3.01 and NI5210 cards, both with the
>Micom supplied PCNFS driver and the Clarkson packet driver + pktd.sys.
>Sometimes changing the shared memory address on the card helps, sometimes not.
>If anyone has a definitive fix, I'd be most grateful.  This is happening
>under DOS 3.3, haven't tried 4.x yet.  Since PCs are single tasking, I find
>the fact that this usually occurs only after being idle for a while really odd.
>
>				Ted Nolan
>				ted@usasoc.soc.mil


I've been using NI5210 packet drivers for 1.5 years.  I drive 1GB
through them as part of an acceptance test.  Thus far only
the Clarkson 3.1 NI5210 driver has passed.  All subsequent revisions
have crashed.  I have not tested the 6.x revision yet.  I am using
DOS 3.3 and have not determined whether the crash is caused by the
packet driver or some interaction between DOS's stack(s) and the rate
that interrupts occur.  (DOS's message about stack overflow does not
appear when the system crashes.)  But thus far I have stayed with the
Clarkson 3.1 revision and have been happy.

Dean Roth
sysop@mixcom.uucp
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