[comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc] PC/IP scorecard

HANK@BARILVM.BITNET (Hank Nussbacher) (02/21/88)

                        The Pc/Ip Scorecard
                        -------------------

    We   are   the   process   of   trying   to   decide which Pc/Ip
implementation  would  be  the   best.   After  asking  around   the
overwhelming reply  I have  received has  been, "If  you ever find a
comparison study, I would love to  see it too".  That is why  I have
decided to create the Pc/Ip Scorecard.

    This scorecard will  be like a  PC Magazine analysis  of of hard
disks or printers.  But  I need help in  filling in the boxes.   So,
here is what the scorecard looks like.  Please send me your  replies
and  I  will  integrate  all  answers  and  comments and publish the
finalized scorecard in the weeks to come.

    All Pc/Ip implementations support IP, TCP, FTP and Telnet.   The
question then  is to  divide other  IP protocols  into categories of
"must have" to "nice to have but not necessary".

    This first table is called "Must Have".

Vendor      TFTP  POP ICMP SMTP SLIP 3270 ping  ARP  UDP max
                                                         FTP  cost
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
Beame      |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Bellcore   |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
BICC ISOLAN| Yes|    |    |    |    |    | Yes| Yes| Yes|    |    |
CMC        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
CMU        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Cornell    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Excelan    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Fibronics  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Frontier   |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
FTP        | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|    |    |    |    |
FUSION     |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
MIT        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Proteon    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Stanford   |    | Yes|    |    |    |    | Yes|    |    |    |    |
SUN        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
UB         |    |    | Yes|    |    |    |    | Yes| Yes|    |    |
Wollongong |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |

    The "max FTP" column is for the fastest FTP to a Pc (*not* from)
seen by a user  (in Kb/sec).  It makes  no difference in this  table
which machine was at the other end (obviously the faster the machine
at the other end - the better).

    The  following  table  lists  the  most  popular  Ethernet cards
available and whether the Pc/Ip implementation works with the stated
card.

Vendor      3com    Excelan  Interlan   UB
            3C501   EXOS205  NI5010    2273A
-----------+-------+--------+--------+-------+
Beame      |       |        |        |       |
Bellcore   |       |        |        |       |
BICC ISOLAN| No    |  No    |  No    |  No   |
CMC        |       |        |        |       |
CMU        |       |        |        |       |
Cornell    |       |        |        |       |
Excelan    |       |        |        |       |
Fibronics  |       |        |        |       |
Frontier   |       |        |        |       |
FTP        | Yes   |  Yes   |  Yes   |  No   |
FUSION     |       |        |        |       |
MIT        |       |        |        |       |
Proteon    |       |        |        |       |
Stanford   | Yes   |  No    |  No    |  No   |
Sun        |       |        |        |       |
UB         |       |        |        |       |
Wollongong |       |        |        |       |

    This table is  called the "Nice  to Have" table.   The functions
listed  here  are  not  mandatory   but  are  useful  in  a   Tcp/Ip
environment:

Vendor      name time fing
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+
Beame      |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Bellcore   |    |    |    |    |    |    |
BICC ISOLAN|    |    |    |    |    |    |
CMC        |    |    |    |    |    |    |
CMU        |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Cornell    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Excelan    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Fibronics  |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Frontier   |    |    |    |    |    |    |
FTP        | Yes| Yes| Yes|    |    |    |
FUSION     |    |    |    |    |    |    |
MIT        |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Proteon    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Stanford   |    |    | Yes|    |    |    |
Sun        |    |    |    |    |    |    |
UB         |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Wollongong |    |    |    |    |    |    |

If you feel there are vendors that have been left out or columns
that need to be added please let me know.

Thanks,
Hank

cwwj@ur-tut.UUCP (Clarence Wilkerson) (02/22/88)

1) I heard that there was a distributors' special going on for
WD cards three for $600.
2) SUN has included drivers for the card in version 3.0 of NFS.

HANK@TAUNIVM.BITNET (Hank Nussbacher) (02/22/88)

After the initial round of excellent comments and suggestion, I have
made some changes to the tables.  Please keep sending me your information.

Hank

                         The Pc/Ip Scorecard
                        revision 1:  02/22/88
                        ---------------------

    We   are   the   process   of   trying   to   decide which Pc/Ip
implementation  would  be  the   best.   After  asking  around   the
overwhelming reply  I have  received has  been, "If  you ever find a
comparison study, I would love to  see it too".  That is why  I have
decided to create the Pc/Ip Scorecard.

    This scorecard will  be like a  PC Magazine analysis  of of hard
disks or printers.  But  I need help in  filling in the boxes.   So,
here is what the scorecard looks like.  Please send me your  replies
and  I  will  integrate  all  answers  and  comments and publish the
finalized scorecard in the weeks to come.

    All Pc/Ip implementations support IP, TCP, FTP and Telnet.   The
question then  is to  divide other  IP protocols  into categories of
"must have" to "nice to have but not necessary".

    This first table is called "Must Have".

Vendor      TFTP  POP ICMP SMTP SLIP 3270 ping  ARP  UDP max  cost
                                                         FTP  ($)
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
Beame      | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | No |    |    |
Bellcore   |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
BICC ISOLAN| Yes|    |    |    |    |    | Yes| Yes| Yes|    |    |
CMC        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
CMU        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Cornell    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Excelan    |    |    | Yes|    |    |    |    | Yes| Yes|    |    |
Fibronics  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
FTP        | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|    |    |    |    |
FUSION     |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
KA9Q       | No | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| Yes|    | 0  |
MIT        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
NCSA       |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Stanford   |    | Yes|    |    |    |    | Yes|    |    |    |    |
SUN        | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|    | 300|
UB         |    |    | Yes|    |    |    |    | Yes| Yes|    |    |
Wollongong | Yes|    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |

    The "max FTP" column is for the fastest FTP to a Pc (*not* from)
seen by a user  (in Kb/sec).  It makes  no difference in this  table
which machine was at the other end (obviously the faster the machine
at the other end - the better).

    The  following  table  lists  the  most  popular  Ethernet cards
available and whether the Pc/Ip implementation works with the stated
card.

Vendor      3com    Excelan  Interlan   UB
            3C501   EXOS205  NI5010    2273A
-----------+-------+--------+--------+-------+
Beame      | Yes   |  No    |  No    |  No   |
Bellcore   |       |        |        |       |
BICC ISOLAN| No    |  No    |  No    |  No   |
CMC        |       |        |        |       |
CMU        |       |        |        |       |
Cornell    |       |        |        |       |
Excelan    |       |        |        |       |
Fibronics  |       |        |        |       |
FTP        | Yes   |  Yes   |  Yes   |  No   |
FUSION     |       |        |        |       |
KA9Q       | Yes   |  No    |  No    |  No   |
MIT        |       |        |        |       |
NCSA       |       |        |        |       |
Stanford   | Yes   |  No    |  No    |  No   |
Sun        | Yes   |  No    |  Yes   |  Yes  |
UB         |       |        |        |       |
Wollongong | Yes   |        |        |       |

    This table is  called the "Nice  to Have" table.   The functions
listed  here  are  not  mandatory   but  are  useful  in  a   Tcp/Ip
environment:

Vendor      name time fing whoi  NFS gate srce
            srvr                     way  code
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
Beame      | No | No | No | No |    |    |    |
Bellcore   |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
BICC ISOLAN|    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
CMC        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
CMU        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Cornell    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Excelan    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Fibronics  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
FTP        | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|    |    |    |
FUSION     |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
KA9Q       |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
MIT        |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
NCSA       |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Stanford   |    |    | Yes| Yes|    |    |    |
Sun        | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|    |    |
UB         |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
Wollongong |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |

If you feel there are vendors that have been left out or columns
that need to be added please let me know.

jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (02/23/88)

You mention FTP Software, BICC Isolan and Fibronics among your commercial
suppliers, but you credit them with different features.  This is not correct.
Any feature that FTP's PC/TCP has should also be credited to BICC Isolan
PC/TCP and Fibronics (Spartacus) KNET/PC.

Other PC/IP suppliers with similar features include cisco Systems, Sytek,
Univation, Spider Systems Ltd., Schneider & Koch GmBh and MICOM-Interlan.

James B. VanBokkelen
FTP Software Inc.

jac@UMD5.UMD.EDU ("Joseph A. Cimmino Jr.") (02/23/88)

Nice table.

Row missed:  IBM's PC/IP for the PC, version 1.1.

In the first table, all are supported currently except slip.
Of the boards listed, 3Com 3C501 and UB PC/NIC are supported.
Not in your table are also the 3c503, 3c523, UB NIC ps/2, and
the IBM Adapters listed below.

In the "nice to have" list, I presume you mean clients for the
listed protocols.  Currently all are supported except NFS.
Source code is available.

Board columns:  3Com 3c503, 3c523, UB NIC ps/2, Western Digital WD8003,
IBM TRN PC Adapter I, II & /A, IBM PC Network Adapter II & II/A,
IBM PC Network Baseband Adapter & /A.

------------------------------
Joseph A. Cimmino, Jr.    University of Maryland, Systems    jac@umd5.umd.edu
+1 301 454 2946                   PC/IP Group              cimminoj@umdd.bitnet

Bertolt Brecht:  You made your bed, so you lie in it.

jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (02/23/88)

Your message correcting the IBM listing implies that the U-B 2273 listed in
the scorecard is the "PC-NIC".  My information (which isn't a U-B price list)
indicates that the "PC-NIC" is part #2271.  Since Hank lists U-B as supporting
the 2273, I assumed that that was the NIU.

We don't support the NIU, nor is anyone likely to except U-B.  We don't yet
support the NIC ps/2.  We *do* support the PC-NIC.

James VanBokkelen
FTP Software Inc.

BEAME@MCMASTER.BITNET (02/23/88)

I don't know where you got your information in the last "score card"
but it is false. This is the "card" for the newest version of our software.

    - Carl Beame


Vendor      TFTP  POP ICMP SMTP SLIP 3270 ping  ARP  UDP max
                                                         FTP  cost
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
Beame      | Yes| No | Yes|soon| No | No | Yes| Yes| Yes|    |    |
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+

Vendor      3com    Excelan  Interlan   UB
            3C501   EXOS205  NI5010    2273A
-----------+-------+--------+--------+-------+
Beame      |  Yes  |  No    |  No    | No    |  (NI5010 in works)
-----------+-------+--------+--------+-------+

Vendor      name time fing scks talk ftps s/e   scks = BSD style socket library
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ ftps = PC based FTP server
Beame      | Yes| Yes|Yes | Yes|Yes | Yes| Yes|  s/e = Serial to Ethernet
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+        conversion

BLASCO@ICNUCEVM.BITNET ("A. Blasco Bonito") (02/25/88)

Hank,

congratulations for your initiative. It will certainly be very useful for
a lot of people, I mean also outside the range of networking experts
like the ones on this list.
I would like to give you a suggestion. Assuming that every company or
university mentioned in the list could easily provide its package
to a site in the USA, it could be different for a site in Europe (?).
Ceatainly it is different if you think about assistance.
It could be interesting to add such information to the scorecard
Another useful information is the availability of good documentation,
altough I understand that it is not so easy to categorize it.

I would also like to see an appendix containing the addresses (also e-mail)
of the vendors.

Thanks again for your effort

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kzm@TWG.ARPA (Keith McCloghrie) (02/26/88)

Hank,

We were disappointed to see you put the figure 25k next to our FTP
performance, before we had responded.  As you will see below the correct
figure is 189KBytes/sec (= 1.5Mbs) in the to-the-PC direction.  In a couple
of cases, I have  have expanded one of your columns into  two in order
to be able to say YES (but still being completely honest).  The information
reflects the capabilities of WIN/PC as it currently exists in alpha test.


Vendor      TFTP  POP ICMP SMTP VT-  3270 FTP   FTP  ARP  UDP  max   cost
                                 100      Clnt Srvr            FTP   ($)
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+------+----+
Wollongong | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes|1.5Mbs| 395|



Vendor      3com  Excelan  Interlan  UB    WD   3Com  UB NIC 3Com
            3C501 EXOS205  NI5010   2273A 8003  3C523  PS/2  3C503
-----------+-----+--------+--------+-----+-----+-----+------+-----+
Wollongong | Yes |  No    |  Yes   | No  | No  | Yes |  No  | Yes |




Vendor      -name-srvr time fing whoi  NFS gate srce  --NetBIOS-- ping SLIP
            DNS  IEN116                     way  code 1001/2 link
-----------+----+-----+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+
Wollongong | No | Yes | No | No | No | No | Yes| neg.|  No | Yes | No | No |




Keith McCloghrie
The Wollongong Group.

oconnor@SCCGATE.SCC.COM ("Michael J. O'Connor") (02/26/88)

Keith,
	I was hoping Hank's scorecard would reflect the characteristics of
currently available (off the shelf as the gov. likes to call it) software.
Including the current alpha version of a product to be released some time
in the future is not as useful to me.  Possibly that kind of info belongs in
an addendum to the scorecard. 

			Mike

NAGL@AWIWUW11.BITNET (Alfred Nagl) (12/14/88)

>I found the following useful when learning about TCPIP software:
>(It was written by Hank somebody on the PCIP list)
>>
>>                          The Pc/Ip Scorecard
>>                         revision 6:  07/28/88
>>                         ---------------------

Please excuse my posting to the list, but if the author of the scorecard
is listening: Would you be so kind and post your latest revision,
if available?

HANK@BARILVM.BITNET (Hank Nussbacher) (12/14/88)

This is the latest version I have.  If you have updates, changes, etc. plz
send them directly to me since I am not on this list.  -Hank


                         The Pc/Ip Scorecard
                        revision 6:  07/28/88
                        ---------------------

    This scorecard will  be like a  PC Magazine analysis  of of hard
disks or printers.  But  I need help in  filling in the boxes.   So,
here is what the scorecard looks like.  Please send me your  replies
and  I  will  integrate  all  answers  and  comments and publish the
finalized scorecard in the weeks to come.

|Revision 6: a) "Xtra" refers to an item that is available but at an
|               added cost

    This first table is called "Must Have".

Vendor        TFTP SMTP VT-  3270 FTP  max  cost
                         100      Clnt FTP  ($)
-------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----
Beame        | Yes| No | Yes| No | Yes| 75k|    |
Cornell      |  No| No | No | Yes| No |    |  25|site
CMU          | Yes| No | No | No | No |    |   0|
Excelan 3.3  | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| 88k| 250|cpu
FTP  2.02    | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|114k| 400|cpu
FUSION 3.2   | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| 85k| 300|
IBM  V1.1    | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| 90k| 200|cpu
KA9Q         | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| 74k|   0|
MIT          | Yes| No | No | No | No |    |  50|site
NCSA  V2.2   | No | No | Yes| No | Yes|    |   0|
Stanford 3.0 | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes|    | 100|site
SUN PC-NFS   | No |Xtra| Yes| No | Yes|167k| 395|cpu
UB TCP-PC v16|    | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| 74k| 495|cpu
WIN/TCP 3.2  | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes|200k| 395|cpu

Notes: 1) All versions must support ARP, ICMP and UDP
       2) max FTP is for the fastest FTP to a PC (*not* from) in
          Kbytes/sec.  The sending machine can be any machine.
          The origin and destination of the FTP must be disk or
          ramdisk.  NUL is not a valid destination.

    The  following  table  lists  the  most  popular  Ethernet cards
available and whether the Pc/Ip implementation works with the stated
card.

Vendor      3com  Excelan  Inter   UB    WD   3Com  UB NIC  3com  MICOM
            3C501 EXOS205  NI5010 2273A 8003  3C523  PS/2   3C503 NI5210
-----------+-----+--------+------+-----+-----+-----+------+------+------+
Beame      | Yes |  No    |  No  | No  | No  | No  | No   | No   | No
Cornell    | Yes |  No    |  No  | No  | No  | No  | No   | No   | No
CMU        | Yes |  No    |  Yes | No  | Yes | No  | No   | No   | No
Excelan    | No  |  Yes   |  No  | No  | No  | No  | No   | No   | No
FTP        | Yes |  Yes   |  Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No   | Yes  | Yes
FUSION     | Yes |  No    |  Yes | No  | Yes | No  | No   |      | Yes
IBM        | Yes |  No    |  No  | Yes | No  | No  | Yes  | No   | No
KA9Q       | Yes |  No    |  No  | No  | No  | No  | No   |      | Yes
MIT        | Yes |  No    |  Yes | No  | No  | No  | No   |      |
NCSA       | Yes |  No    |  No  | Yes | Yes | No  | No   | No   | Yes
Stanford   | Yes |  No    |  No  | No  | Yes | Yes |      | Yes  |
Sun        | Yes |  No    |  Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No   | Yes  | Yes
UB         | No  |  Yes   |  No  | Yes | No  | No  | Yes  |      |
Wollongong | Yes |  No    |  Yes | No  | No  | Yes | No   | Yes  | No

    This table is  called the "Nice  to Have" table.   The functions
listed  here  are  not  mandatory   but  are  useful  in  a   Tcp/Ip
environment:

            domn time fing whoi NFS  gate srce Net- ping SLIP POP
Vendor      name srvr                way  code BIOS
            srvr                               1001
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
Beame      | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No | No | No | No | No | No |    |
Cornell    |  No|  No|  No| No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No |    |
CMU        | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No |    |
Excelan    | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | No |    |
FTP        | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No |Xtra|Xtra| Yes| Yes| No |    |
FUSION     | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| No | Yes| No | No |    |
IBM        | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| No | Yes|    |
KA9Q       | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No |    |
MIT        | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| No | Yes| No | No |    |
NCSA       | Yes| No | No | No | No | Yes| Yes|    | Yes| No | No |    |
Stanford   | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No |    | Yes| No | Yes|    |
Sun        | Yes| No | No | No | Yes| No |Xtra| No | Yes| Yes|Xtra|    |
UB         | Yes| No |    |    | No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No |    |    |
Wollongong | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| No | No |    |

Notes: 1) POP refers to RFC937
       2) gateway refers to IP forwarding capability

FTP Software is OEMed to BICC Data Networks, Fibronics, Proteon, cisco,
Spider Systems, MICOM-Interlan, Scope, Univation and Western Digital.

HANK@BARILVM.BITNET (Hank Nussbacher) (08/08/89)

The response has been underwhelming to say the least.  I am going on
vacation of 3 weeks and when I come back I will post a revision 8 if I
receive further updates.

Have a nice summer,
Hank

                         The Pc/Ip Scorecard
                        revision 7: 08/07/89
                        ---------------------

    This scorecard will  be like a  PC Magazine analysis  of of hard
disks or printers.  But  I need help in  filling in the boxes.   So,
here is what the scorecard looks like.  Please send me your  replies
and  I  will  integrate  all  answers  and  comments and publish the
finalized scorecard in the weeks to come.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
TABLE #1:
---------

Vendor               TFTP SMTP VT-  3270 FTP  max    cost    packet
                                100      Clnt FTP     ($)    driver
--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---------+------+
Beame 4.5           | Yes| No |V102| Yes| Yes|100k| 195@cpu | No   |
Clarkson NCSA 2.2TN | No | No |V102| Yes| Yes|150K|   0@    | Yes  |
Cornell             | No | No | No | Yes| No |    |  25@site|      |
CMU                 | Yes| No | No | No | No |    |   0@    |      |
Excelan 3.3         | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| 88k| 250@cpu |      |
FTP  2.03           | Yes| Yes|V220| Yes| Yes|179k| 400@cpu | Yes  |
FUSION 3.2          | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| 85k| 300@    |      |
IBM  V1.1           | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| 90k| 200@cpu |      |
KA9Q                | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| 74k|   0@    |      |
MIT                 | Yes| No | No | No | No |    |  50@site|      |
NCSA  V2.2          | No | No | Yes| No | Yes|    |   0@    |      |
Stanford 3.0        | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes|    | 100@site|      |
SUN PC-NFS 3.0.1    | No |Xtra| Yes| No | Yes|167k| 395@cpu | Yes  |
UB TCP-PC v16       |    | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| 74k| 495@cpu |      |
WIN/TCP 3.2         | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes|200k| 395@cpu |      |

Notes: 1) All versions must support ARP, ICMP and UDP
       2) Max FTP is for the fastest FTP to a PC (*not* from) in
          Kbytes/sec.  The sending machine can be any machine.
          The origin and destination of the FTP must be disk or
          ramdisk.  NUL is not a valid destination.
       3) Packet driver column can have either a value of 'Yes' for
          supporting the FTP Software spec for packet driver or
          'Ndis' for supporting Microsoft/3Com's spec for the same
          function or 'Odi' for supporting the Novell/Apple spec,
          or 'ASI' for supporting the IBM TOKREUI spec.
       4) The VT100 column can have a value of Yes for supporting
          VT100 or the highest Digital terminal - i.e. V220, V240,
          V330, etc. supported

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TABLE #2A:


    The  following  tables list   the  most  popular  Ethernet cards
available and whether the Pc/Ip implementation works with the stated
card.

Vendor      3com  Excelan  Inter.  UB    WD   3Com  UB NIC  3com  Inter.
            3C501 EXOS205  NI5010 2273A 8003  3C523  PS/2   3C503 NI5210
-----------+-----+--------+------+-----+-----+-----+------+------+------+
Beame      | Yes |  No    |  No  | No  | Yes | No  | No   | Yes  | No
Clarkson   | Yes |  No    |  No  | Yes | Yes | Yes | No   | No   | Yes
Clarkson PD| Yes |  No    |  Yes | No  | Yes | Yes | No   | Yes  | Yes
Cornell    | Yes |  No    |  No  | No  | No  | No  | No   | No   | No
CMU        | Yes |  No    |  Yes | No  | Yes | No  | No   | No   | No
Excelan    | No  |  Yes   |  No  | No  | No  | No  | No   | No   | No
FTP        | Yes |  Yes   |  Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No   | Yes  | Yes
FUSION     | Yes |  No    |  Yes | No  | Yes | No  | No   |      | Yes
IBM        | Yes |  No    |  No  | Yes | No  | No  | Yes  | No   | No
KA9Q       | Yes |  No    |  No  | No  | No  | No  | No   |      | Yes
MIT        | Yes |  No    |  Yes | No  | No  | No  | No   |      |
NCSA       | Yes |  No    |  No  | Yes | Yes | No  | No   | No   | Yes
Stanford   | Yes |  No    |  No  | No  | Yes | Yes |      | Yes  |
Sun        | Yes |  No    |  Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No   | Yes  | Yes
UB         | No  |  Yes   |  No  | Yes | No  | No  | Yes  |      |
Wollongong | Yes |  No    |  Yes | No  | No  | Yes | No   | Yes  | No

Notes: Clarkson PD refers to the Clarkson Packet Drivers, which are
       different from its Pc/Ip package.

TABLE #2B:

Vendor      3com     WD     Tiara  IBM  D-
            3C505 8003ET/A LANcard TR    Link
-----------+-----+--------+-------+----+-----+
Beame      | No  |  Yes   |  No   | No | No  |
Clarkson   | No  |  No    |  No   | No | No  |
Clarkson PD| No  |  Yes   |  No   | No | No  |
Cornell    |     |        |       |    |     |
CMU        |     |        |       |    |     |
Excelan    |     |        |       |    |     |
FTP        | Yes |  Yes   | Yes   | Yes| Yes |
FUSION     |     |        |       |    |     |
IBM        |     |        |       |    |     |
KA9Q       |     |        |       |    |     |
MIT        |     |        |       |    |     |
NCSA       |     |        |       |    |     |
Stanford   |     |        |       |    |     |
Sun        | Yes |  Yes   |   No  | No | No  |
UB         |     |        |       |    |     |
Wollongong |     |        |       |    |     |

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TABLE #3A:

    This table is  called the "Nice  to Have" table.   The functions
listed  here  are  not  mandatory   but  are  useful  in  a   Tcp/Ip
environment:

            domn time fing whoi NFS  gate srce Net- ping SLIP POP  Tek
Vendor      name srvr                way  code BIOS
            srvr                               1001
-----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
Beame      | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|Xtra| No | No | No | No | No | No |4105|
Clarkson   | Yes| No | No | No |No  | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| No |4010|
Cornell    |  No|  No|  No| No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No |    |
CMU        | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No |    |
Excelan    | Yes| No | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | No |    |
FTP        | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No |Xtra|Xtra| Yes| Yes| No |    |
FTP        | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|Xtra| No |Xtra|Xtra| Yes| Yes| No |No  |
FUSION     | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| No | Yes| No | No |    |
IBM        | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| No | Yes|    |
KA9Q       | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No |    |
MIT        | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| No | Yes| No | No |    |
NCSA       | Yes| No | No | No | No | Yes| Yes|    | Yes| No | No |4014|
Stanford   | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No |    | Yes| No | Yes|    |
Sun        | Yes| No | No | No | Yes| No |Xtra| No | Yes| Yes|Xtra| No |
UB         | Yes| No |    |    | No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No |    |    |
Wollongong | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| No | No |    |

Notes: 1) POP refers to RFC937
       2) gateway refers to IP forwarding capability
       3) Xtra refers to an item that is available but at an added cost
       4) Tek column refers to supporting Tektronix terminals.  Specify
          highest level of terminal supported, i.e. 4014.

TABLE #3B:

Vendor      INT  gra- mem-
            14   phic ory
-----------+----+----+----+
Beame      |Xtra|Xtra| 25K|
Clarkson   | No |Yes |200K|
Clarkson   |    |    |    |
Cornell    |    |    |    |
CMU        |    |    |    |
Excelan    |    |    | 15K|
FTP        |Xtra|No  | 85K|
FUSION     |    |    |    |
IBM        |    |    |    |
KA9Q       |    |    |    |
MIT        |    |    |    |
NCSA       |    |Yes |    |
Stanford   |    |    |    |
Sun        | No | No | 95K|
UB         |    |    |    |
Wollongong |    |    |    |

Notes: 1) INT14 refers to the ability to support INT14 over Telnet.
       2) Graphics column can either have the value of Yes, meaning
          that the software supports some kind of graphics terminal
          emulation; No; or Xtra.  The specific 'graphics emulation'
          is left vague on purpose.
       3) Memory column refers to the amount of memory required to
          load the specific Pc/Ip implementation.

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TABLE #4:

This table is meant to service users of the network in gaining more
information about a product.  In order to limit the "commercialism"
that is inherent in this Scorcard, each vendor is allowed to supply
either a single Internet address or in the event of a lack of a valid
e-mail address, a FAX number.  Only one will be accepted per vendor and
it is the vendor's choice to decide which will provide an easier method
for users to gain further information about their product.

In addition, by limiting it to one or the other, I will be neutralizing
the advantage shared by those that have Internet access as opposed to
those companies that do not have Internet access.

Beame      | Beame@McMaster.CA
Clarkson   | bkc@omnigate.clarkson.edu
Cornell    |
CMU        |
Excelan    |
FTP        | info@ftp.com
FUSION     |
IBM        |
KA9Q       |
MIT        |
NCSA       |
Stanford   |
Sun        | garnold@East.Sun.COM
UB         |
Wollongong |


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Final Notes:

1) FTP Software is OEMed to BICC Data Networks, Fibronics, Proteon,
   cisco, Spider Systems, MICOM-Interlan, Scope, Univation, Western
   Digital, AT&T, Acer, D-Link, IMC Networks, Gateway and HP.
2) Clarkson software is an offshoot of the NCSA product.
3) Sun's PC-NFS is OEMed to Accurate Information Systems, ASCII
   Corporation (KANJI version), BICC Data Networks, Bridge
   Communications, CMC, Eastman Kodak, Honeywell Bull, Intergraph,
   Interleaf, Lachman Associates, Logic Tree, NOCOM AB, Olivetti USA,
   Word Systems Inc.

andrew@dgbt.uucp (Andrew Patrick ) (08/10/89)

In article <8908081026.aa10968@louie.udel.edu> Hank Nussbacher 
<Hank%BARILVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu> writes:
...
>                         The Pc/Ip Scorecard
>                        revision 7: 08/07/89
>                        ---------------------
...

>TABLE #1:
>---------
>
>Vendor               TFTP SMTP VT-  3270 FTP  max    cost    packet
>                                100      Clnt FTP     ($)    driver
>--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---------+------+
...
>Stanford 3.0        | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes|    | 100@site|      |
...


Who is the "Stanford" listed in the tables, and where can they be
reached?




-- 
Andrew Patrick, Ph.D.         Communications Research Centre
  (613) 990-4675              Department of Communications, Ottawa, CANADA
     UUCP or Internet: andrew@dgbt.crc.dnd.ca   BITNET: andrew@doccrc
      It's December 1941 in Casablanca, what time is it in New York?

clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements) (08/16/89)

In article <8908081026.aa10968@louie.udel.edu> Hank Nussbacher <Hank%BARILVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu> writes:
>The response has been underwhelming to say the least.
> [...]
>                         The Pc/Ip Scorecard
>                        revision 7: 08/07/89

Sorry, Hank, but:

I have repeatedly sent updates in the past, even receiving
acknowledgements of some of them, and they were not included in
later revisions, including this one.  So I didn't bother to send
anything this time.  Nor do I have any faith in the contents of
the Scorecard.

Before anyone demands to see my correspondence to prove the
above, don't bother.  I don't keep all my old mail.

I don't usually flame, but I felt this was relevant.

Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com
(Author of two of the Clarkson drivers and an early WD8003 driver
in KA9Q NET.  Speaking only for myself, not my employer, who
wasn't involved in those drivers, either.)

terry@sunquest.UUCP (Terry Friedrichsen) (08/17/89)

I don't see Digital Equipment Corporation's DEPCA board on the scorecard.
Is it identical to one of the listed boards?  My DECnet-DOS documentation
talks about MICOM NI5010-1 and NI5010-2, and 3Com IE4 and IE2 also working
with DECnet-DOS.  The MICOM board looks to be the same as the Interlan
board listed in the scorecard, but I can't make sense of the 3Com board
designations in light of the "IE4" and "IE2" that my manual mentions.

Can someone fill in the gaps for me please?  Thanks for any and all
replies, and I will (of course) summarize back to the net.

(If your reply to this message bounces, try TERRY@SDSC.EDU instead.  THAT
should work well.)

Terry R. Friedrichsen

Disclaimer:  the company doesn't read my messages, so it can't possibly
		know what I am saying!

TERESA@SLACVM.BITNET ("Teresa L. Downey") (07/17/90)

I have a copy of the very useful "PC/IP Scorecard" from 8/7/89. Is there a
newer copy available?

mcclellan@delni.enet.dec.com ("ROLF @DTN226-7184") (01/18/91)

Can you send me an up to date version of this. Mine is V6 from 1988.
Thanks.
Rolf McClellan