HANK@BARILVM.BITNET (Hank Nussbacher) (02/21/88)
The Pc/Ip Scorecard ------------------- We are the process of trying to decide which Pc/Ip implementation would be the best. After asking around the overwhelming reply I have received has been, "If you ever find a comparison study, I would love to see it too". That is why I have decided to create the Pc/Ip Scorecard. This scorecard will be like a PC Magazine analysis of of hard disks or printers. But I need help in filling in the boxes. So, here is what the scorecard looks like. Please send me your replies and I will integrate all answers and comments and publish the finalized scorecard in the weeks to come. All Pc/Ip implementations support IP, TCP, FTP and Telnet. The question then is to divide other IP protocols into categories of "must have" to "nice to have but not necessary". This first table is called "Must Have". Vendor TFTP POP ICMP SMTP SLIP 3270 ping ARP UDP max FTP cost -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ Beame | | | | | | | | | | | | Bellcore | | | | | | | | | | | | BICC ISOLAN| Yes| | | | | | Yes| Yes| Yes| | | CMC | | | | | | | | | | | | CMU | | | | | | | | | | | | Cornell | | | | | | | | | | | | Excelan | | | | | | | | | | | | Fibronics | | | | | | | | | | | | Frontier | | | | | | | | | | | | FTP | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| | | | | FUSION | | | | | | | | | | | | MIT | | | | | | | | | | | | Proteon | | | | | | | | | | | | Stanford | | Yes| | | | | Yes| | | | | SUN | | | | | | | | | | | | UB | | | Yes| | | | | Yes| Yes| | | Wollongong | | | | | | | | | | | | The "max FTP" column is for the fastest FTP to a Pc (*not* from) seen by a user (in Kb/sec). It makes no difference in this table which machine was at the other end (obviously the faster the machine at the other end - the better). The following table lists the most popular Ethernet cards available and whether the Pc/Ip implementation works with the stated card. Vendor 3com Excelan Interlan UB 3C501 EXOS205 NI5010 2273A -----------+-------+--------+--------+-------+ Beame | | | | | Bellcore | | | | | BICC ISOLAN| No | No | No | No | CMC | | | | | CMU | | | | | Cornell | | | | | Excelan | | | | | Fibronics | | | | | Frontier | | | | | FTP | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | FUSION | | | | | MIT | | | | | Proteon | | | | | Stanford | Yes | No | No | No | Sun | | | | | UB | | | | | Wollongong | | | | | This table is called the "Nice to Have" table. The functions listed here are not mandatory but are useful in a Tcp/Ip environment: Vendor name time fing -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+ Beame | | | | | | | Bellcore | | | | | | | BICC ISOLAN| | | | | | | CMC | | | | | | | CMU | | | | | | | Cornell | | | | | | | Excelan | | | | | | | Fibronics | | | | | | | Frontier | | | | | | | FTP | Yes| Yes| Yes| | | | FUSION | | | | | | | MIT | | | | | | | Proteon | | | | | | | Stanford | | | Yes| | | | Sun | | | | | | | UB | | | | | | | Wollongong | | | | | | | If you feel there are vendors that have been left out or columns that need to be added please let me know. Thanks, Hank
cwwj@ur-tut.UUCP (Clarence Wilkerson) (02/22/88)
1) I heard that there was a distributors' special going on for WD cards three for $600. 2) SUN has included drivers for the card in version 3.0 of NFS.
HANK@TAUNIVM.BITNET (Hank Nussbacher) (02/22/88)
After the initial round of excellent comments and suggestion, I have made some changes to the tables. Please keep sending me your information. Hank The Pc/Ip Scorecard revision 1: 02/22/88 --------------------- We are the process of trying to decide which Pc/Ip implementation would be the best. After asking around the overwhelming reply I have received has been, "If you ever find a comparison study, I would love to see it too". That is why I have decided to create the Pc/Ip Scorecard. This scorecard will be like a PC Magazine analysis of of hard disks or printers. But I need help in filling in the boxes. So, here is what the scorecard looks like. Please send me your replies and I will integrate all answers and comments and publish the finalized scorecard in the weeks to come. All Pc/Ip implementations support IP, TCP, FTP and Telnet. The question then is to divide other IP protocols into categories of "must have" to "nice to have but not necessary". This first table is called "Must Have". Vendor TFTP POP ICMP SMTP SLIP 3270 ping ARP UDP max cost FTP ($) -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ Beame | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | | | Bellcore | | | | | | | | | | | | BICC ISOLAN| Yes| | | | | | Yes| Yes| Yes| | | CMC | | | | | | | | | | | | CMU | | | | | | | | | | | | Cornell | | | | | | | | | | | | Excelan | | | Yes| | | | | Yes| Yes| | | Fibronics | | | | | | | | | | | | FTP | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| | | | | FUSION | | | | | | | | | | | | KA9Q | No | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| Yes| | 0 | MIT | | | | | | | | | | | | NCSA | | | | | | | | | | | | Stanford | | Yes| | | | | Yes| | | | | SUN | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| | 300| UB | | | Yes| | | | | Yes| Yes| | | Wollongong | Yes| | | | | | | | | | | The "max FTP" column is for the fastest FTP to a Pc (*not* from) seen by a user (in Kb/sec). It makes no difference in this table which machine was at the other end (obviously the faster the machine at the other end - the better). The following table lists the most popular Ethernet cards available and whether the Pc/Ip implementation works with the stated card. Vendor 3com Excelan Interlan UB 3C501 EXOS205 NI5010 2273A -----------+-------+--------+--------+-------+ Beame | Yes | No | No | No | Bellcore | | | | | BICC ISOLAN| No | No | No | No | CMC | | | | | CMU | | | | | Cornell | | | | | Excelan | | | | | Fibronics | | | | | FTP | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | FUSION | | | | | KA9Q | Yes | No | No | No | MIT | | | | | NCSA | | | | | Stanford | Yes | No | No | No | Sun | Yes | No | Yes | Yes | UB | | | | | Wollongong | Yes | | | | This table is called the "Nice to Have" table. The functions listed here are not mandatory but are useful in a Tcp/Ip environment: Vendor name time fing whoi NFS gate srce srvr way code -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ Beame | No | No | No | No | | | | Bellcore | | | | | | | | BICC ISOLAN| | | | | | | | CMC | | | | | | | | CMU | | | | | | | | Cornell | | | | | | | | Excelan | | | | | | | | Fibronics | | | | | | | | FTP | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| | | | FUSION | | | | | | | | KA9Q | | | | | | | | MIT | | | | | | | | NCSA | | | | | | | | Stanford | | | Yes| Yes| | | | Sun | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| | | UB | | | | | | | | Wollongong | | | | | | | | If you feel there are vendors that have been left out or columns that need to be added please let me know.
jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (02/23/88)
You mention FTP Software, BICC Isolan and Fibronics among your commercial suppliers, but you credit them with different features. This is not correct. Any feature that FTP's PC/TCP has should also be credited to BICC Isolan PC/TCP and Fibronics (Spartacus) KNET/PC. Other PC/IP suppliers with similar features include cisco Systems, Sytek, Univation, Spider Systems Ltd., Schneider & Koch GmBh and MICOM-Interlan. James B. VanBokkelen FTP Software Inc.
jac@UMD5.UMD.EDU ("Joseph A. Cimmino Jr.") (02/23/88)
Nice table. Row missed: IBM's PC/IP for the PC, version 1.1. In the first table, all are supported currently except slip. Of the boards listed, 3Com 3C501 and UB PC/NIC are supported. Not in your table are also the 3c503, 3c523, UB NIC ps/2, and the IBM Adapters listed below. In the "nice to have" list, I presume you mean clients for the listed protocols. Currently all are supported except NFS. Source code is available. Board columns: 3Com 3c503, 3c523, UB NIC ps/2, Western Digital WD8003, IBM TRN PC Adapter I, II & /A, IBM PC Network Adapter II & II/A, IBM PC Network Baseband Adapter & /A. ------------------------------ Joseph A. Cimmino, Jr. University of Maryland, Systems jac@umd5.umd.edu +1 301 454 2946 PC/IP Group cimminoj@umdd.bitnet Bertolt Brecht: You made your bed, so you lie in it.
jbvb@VAX.FTP.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (02/23/88)
Your message correcting the IBM listing implies that the U-B 2273 listed in the scorecard is the "PC-NIC". My information (which isn't a U-B price list) indicates that the "PC-NIC" is part #2271. Since Hank lists U-B as supporting the 2273, I assumed that that was the NIU. We don't support the NIU, nor is anyone likely to except U-B. We don't yet support the NIC ps/2. We *do* support the PC-NIC. James VanBokkelen FTP Software Inc.
BEAME@MCMASTER.BITNET (02/23/88)
I don't know where you got your information in the last "score card" but it is false. This is the "card" for the newest version of our software. - Carl Beame Vendor TFTP POP ICMP SMTP SLIP 3270 ping ARP UDP max FTP cost -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ Beame | Yes| No | Yes|soon| No | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| | | -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ Vendor 3com Excelan Interlan UB 3C501 EXOS205 NI5010 2273A -----------+-------+--------+--------+-------+ Beame | Yes | No | No | No | (NI5010 in works) -----------+-------+--------+--------+-------+ Vendor name time fing scks talk ftps s/e scks = BSD style socket library -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ ftps = PC based FTP server Beame | Yes| Yes|Yes | Yes|Yes | Yes| Yes| s/e = Serial to Ethernet -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ conversion
BLASCO@ICNUCEVM.BITNET ("A. Blasco Bonito") (02/25/88)
Hank, congratulations for your initiative. It will certainly be very useful for a lot of people, I mean also outside the range of networking experts like the ones on this list. I would like to give you a suggestion. Assuming that every company or university mentioned in the list could easily provide its package to a site in the USA, it could be different for a site in Europe (?). Ceatainly it is different if you think about assistance. It could be interesting to add such information to the scorecard Another useful information is the availability of good documentation, altough I understand that it is not so easy to categorize it. I would also like to see an appendix containing the addresses (also e-mail) of the vendors. Thanks again for your effort ---------- ---------- A. Blasco Bonito Internet: Blasco@cnuce-vm.arpa CNUCE - Istituto del CNR Earn/Bitnet: Blasco@icnucevm Reparto Reti e Sistemi Distribuiti Tel: +39 (50) 593246 Via S. Maria, 36 Telex: 500371 CNUCE I 56100 PISA Italy Fax: +39 (50) 576571 ---------- ----------
kzm@TWG.ARPA (Keith McCloghrie) (02/26/88)
Hank, We were disappointed to see you put the figure 25k next to our FTP performance, before we had responded. As you will see below the correct figure is 189KBytes/sec (= 1.5Mbs) in the to-the-PC direction. In a couple of cases, I have have expanded one of your columns into two in order to be able to say YES (but still being completely honest). The information reflects the capabilities of WIN/PC as it currently exists in alpha test. Vendor TFTP POP ICMP SMTP VT- 3270 FTP FTP ARP UDP max cost 100 Clnt Srvr FTP ($) -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+------+----+ Wollongong | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes|1.5Mbs| 395| Vendor 3com Excelan Interlan UB WD 3Com UB NIC 3Com 3C501 EXOS205 NI5010 2273A 8003 3C523 PS/2 3C503 -----------+-----+--------+--------+-----+-----+-----+------+-----+ Wollongong | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | Yes | No | Yes | Vendor -name-srvr time fing whoi NFS gate srce --NetBIOS-- ping SLIP DNS IEN116 way code 1001/2 link -----------+----+-----+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+ Wollongong | No | Yes | No | No | No | No | Yes| neg.| No | Yes | No | No | Keith McCloghrie The Wollongong Group.
oconnor@SCCGATE.SCC.COM ("Michael J. O'Connor") (02/26/88)
Keith, I was hoping Hank's scorecard would reflect the characteristics of currently available (off the shelf as the gov. likes to call it) software. Including the current alpha version of a product to be released some time in the future is not as useful to me. Possibly that kind of info belongs in an addendum to the scorecard. Mike
NAGL@AWIWUW11.BITNET (Alfred Nagl) (12/14/88)
>I found the following useful when learning about TCPIP software: >(It was written by Hank somebody on the PCIP list) >> >> The Pc/Ip Scorecard >> revision 6: 07/28/88 >> --------------------- Please excuse my posting to the list, but if the author of the scorecard is listening: Would you be so kind and post your latest revision, if available?
HANK@BARILVM.BITNET (Hank Nussbacher) (12/14/88)
This is the latest version I have. If you have updates, changes, etc. plz send them directly to me since I am not on this list. -Hank The Pc/Ip Scorecard revision 6: 07/28/88 --------------------- This scorecard will be like a PC Magazine analysis of of hard disks or printers. But I need help in filling in the boxes. So, here is what the scorecard looks like. Please send me your replies and I will integrate all answers and comments and publish the finalized scorecard in the weeks to come. |Revision 6: a) "Xtra" refers to an item that is available but at an | added cost This first table is called "Must Have". Vendor TFTP SMTP VT- 3270 FTP max cost 100 Clnt FTP ($) -------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---- Beame | Yes| No | Yes| No | Yes| 75k| | Cornell | No| No | No | Yes| No | | 25|site CMU | Yes| No | No | No | No | | 0| Excelan 3.3 | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| 88k| 250|cpu FTP 2.02 | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|114k| 400|cpu FUSION 3.2 | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| 85k| 300| IBM V1.1 | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| 90k| 200|cpu KA9Q | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| 74k| 0| MIT | Yes| No | No | No | No | | 50|site NCSA V2.2 | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| | 0| Stanford 3.0 | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| | 100|site SUN PC-NFS | No |Xtra| Yes| No | Yes|167k| 395|cpu UB TCP-PC v16| | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| 74k| 495|cpu WIN/TCP 3.2 | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes|200k| 395|cpu Notes: 1) All versions must support ARP, ICMP and UDP 2) max FTP is for the fastest FTP to a PC (*not* from) in Kbytes/sec. The sending machine can be any machine. The origin and destination of the FTP must be disk or ramdisk. NUL is not a valid destination. The following table lists the most popular Ethernet cards available and whether the Pc/Ip implementation works with the stated card. Vendor 3com Excelan Inter UB WD 3Com UB NIC 3com MICOM 3C501 EXOS205 NI5010 2273A 8003 3C523 PS/2 3C503 NI5210 -----------+-----+--------+------+-----+-----+-----+------+------+------+ Beame | Yes | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | No Cornell | Yes | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | No CMU | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | No | No Excelan | No | Yes | No | No | No | No | No | No | No FTP | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | Yes FUSION | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | | Yes IBM | Yes | No | No | Yes | No | No | Yes | No | No KA9Q | Yes | No | No | No | No | No | No | | Yes MIT | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | No | No | | NCSA | Yes | No | No | Yes | Yes | No | No | No | Yes Stanford | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | Yes | | Yes | Sun | Yes | No | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | Yes UB | No | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | Yes | | Wollongong | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | Yes | No | Yes | No This table is called the "Nice to Have" table. The functions listed here are not mandatory but are useful in a Tcp/Ip environment: domn time fing whoi NFS gate srce Net- ping SLIP POP Vendor name srvr way code BIOS srvr 1001 -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ Beame | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | | Cornell | No| No| No| No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | | CMU | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | | Excelan | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | No | | FTP | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No |Xtra|Xtra| Yes| Yes| No | | FUSION | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| No | Yes| No | No | | IBM | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| No | Yes| | KA9Q | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | | MIT | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| No | Yes| No | No | | NCSA | Yes| No | No | No | No | Yes| Yes| | Yes| No | No | | Stanford | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No | | Yes| No | Yes| | Sun | Yes| No | No | No | Yes| No |Xtra| No | Yes| Yes|Xtra| | UB | Yes| No | | | No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | | | Wollongong | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| No | No | | Notes: 1) POP refers to RFC937 2) gateway refers to IP forwarding capability FTP Software is OEMed to BICC Data Networks, Fibronics, Proteon, cisco, Spider Systems, MICOM-Interlan, Scope, Univation and Western Digital.
HANK@BARILVM.BITNET (Hank Nussbacher) (08/08/89)
The response has been underwhelming to say the least. I am going on vacation of 3 weeks and when I come back I will post a revision 8 if I receive further updates. Have a nice summer, Hank The Pc/Ip Scorecard revision 7: 08/07/89 --------------------- This scorecard will be like a PC Magazine analysis of of hard disks or printers. But I need help in filling in the boxes. So, here is what the scorecard looks like. Please send me your replies and I will integrate all answers and comments and publish the finalized scorecard in the weeks to come. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TABLE #1: --------- Vendor TFTP SMTP VT- 3270 FTP max cost packet 100 Clnt FTP ($) driver --------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---------+------+ Beame 4.5 | Yes| No |V102| Yes| Yes|100k| 195@cpu | No | Clarkson NCSA 2.2TN | No | No |V102| Yes| Yes|150K| 0@ | Yes | Cornell | No | No | No | Yes| No | | 25@site| | CMU | Yes| No | No | No | No | | 0@ | | Excelan 3.3 | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| 88k| 250@cpu | | FTP 2.03 | Yes| Yes|V220| Yes| Yes|179k| 400@cpu | Yes | FUSION 3.2 | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| 85k| 300@ | | IBM V1.1 | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| 90k| 200@cpu | | KA9Q | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| 74k| 0@ | | MIT | Yes| No | No | No | No | | 50@site| | NCSA V2.2 | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| | 0@ | | Stanford 3.0 | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| | 100@site| | SUN PC-NFS 3.0.1 | No |Xtra| Yes| No | Yes|167k| 395@cpu | Yes | UB TCP-PC v16 | | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| 74k| 495@cpu | | WIN/TCP 3.2 | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes|200k| 395@cpu | | Notes: 1) All versions must support ARP, ICMP and UDP 2) Max FTP is for the fastest FTP to a PC (*not* from) in Kbytes/sec. The sending machine can be any machine. The origin and destination of the FTP must be disk or ramdisk. NUL is not a valid destination. 3) Packet driver column can have either a value of 'Yes' for supporting the FTP Software spec for packet driver or 'Ndis' for supporting Microsoft/3Com's spec for the same function or 'Odi' for supporting the Novell/Apple spec, or 'ASI' for supporting the IBM TOKREUI spec. 4) The VT100 column can have a value of Yes for supporting VT100 or the highest Digital terminal - i.e. V220, V240, V330, etc. supported ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TABLE #2A: The following tables list the most popular Ethernet cards available and whether the Pc/Ip implementation works with the stated card. Vendor 3com Excelan Inter. UB WD 3Com UB NIC 3com Inter. 3C501 EXOS205 NI5010 2273A 8003 3C523 PS/2 3C503 NI5210 -----------+-----+--------+------+-----+-----+-----+------+------+------+ Beame | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | No | No | Yes | No Clarkson | Yes | No | No | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes Clarkson PD| Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | Yes Cornell | Yes | No | No | No | No | No | No | No | No CMU | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | No | No Excelan | No | Yes | No | No | No | No | No | No | No FTP | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | Yes FUSION | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | | Yes IBM | Yes | No | No | Yes | No | No | Yes | No | No KA9Q | Yes | No | No | No | No | No | No | | Yes MIT | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | No | No | | NCSA | Yes | No | No | Yes | Yes | No | No | No | Yes Stanford | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | Yes | | Yes | Sun | Yes | No | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | Yes UB | No | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | Yes | | Wollongong | Yes | No | Yes | No | No | Yes | No | Yes | No Notes: Clarkson PD refers to the Clarkson Packet Drivers, which are different from its Pc/Ip package. TABLE #2B: Vendor 3com WD Tiara IBM D- 3C505 8003ET/A LANcard TR Link -----------+-----+--------+-------+----+-----+ Beame | No | Yes | No | No | No | Clarkson | No | No | No | No | No | Clarkson PD| No | Yes | No | No | No | Cornell | | | | | | CMU | | | | | | Excelan | | | | | | FTP | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes| Yes | FUSION | | | | | | IBM | | | | | | KA9Q | | | | | | MIT | | | | | | NCSA | | | | | | Stanford | | | | | | Sun | Yes | Yes | No | No | No | UB | | | | | | Wollongong | | | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TABLE #3A: This table is called the "Nice to Have" table. The functions listed here are not mandatory but are useful in a Tcp/Ip environment: domn time fing whoi NFS gate srce Net- ping SLIP POP Tek Vendor name srvr way code BIOS srvr 1001 -----------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ Beame | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|Xtra| No | No | No | No | No | No |4105| Clarkson | Yes| No | No | No |No | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| No |4010| Cornell | No| No| No| No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | | CMU | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | | Excelan | Yes| No | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | No | | FTP | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No |Xtra|Xtra| Yes| Yes| No | | FTP | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes|Xtra| No |Xtra|Xtra| Yes| Yes| No |No | FUSION | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| No | Yes| No | No | | IBM | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| No | Yes| | KA9Q | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | | MIT | Yes| Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | Yes| No | Yes| No | No | | NCSA | Yes| No | No | No | No | Yes| Yes| | Yes| No | No |4014| Stanford | No | Yes| Yes| Yes| No | No | No | | Yes| No | Yes| | Sun | Yes| No | No | No | Yes| No |Xtra| No | Yes| Yes|Xtra| No | UB | Yes| No | | | No | Yes| No | Yes| Yes| No | | | Wollongong | No | No | No | No | No | Yes| No | No | Yes| No | No | | Notes: 1) POP refers to RFC937 2) gateway refers to IP forwarding capability 3) Xtra refers to an item that is available but at an added cost 4) Tek column refers to supporting Tektronix terminals. Specify highest level of terminal supported, i.e. 4014. TABLE #3B: Vendor INT gra- mem- 14 phic ory -----------+----+----+----+ Beame |Xtra|Xtra| 25K| Clarkson | No |Yes |200K| Clarkson | | | | Cornell | | | | CMU | | | | Excelan | | | 15K| FTP |Xtra|No | 85K| FUSION | | | | IBM | | | | KA9Q | | | | MIT | | | | NCSA | |Yes | | Stanford | | | | Sun | No | No | 95K| UB | | | | Wollongong | | | | Notes: 1) INT14 refers to the ability to support INT14 over Telnet. 2) Graphics column can either have the value of Yes, meaning that the software supports some kind of graphics terminal emulation; No; or Xtra. The specific 'graphics emulation' is left vague on purpose. 3) Memory column refers to the amount of memory required to load the specific Pc/Ip implementation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TABLE #4: This table is meant to service users of the network in gaining more information about a product. In order to limit the "commercialism" that is inherent in this Scorcard, each vendor is allowed to supply either a single Internet address or in the event of a lack of a valid e-mail address, a FAX number. Only one will be accepted per vendor and it is the vendor's choice to decide which will provide an easier method for users to gain further information about their product. In addition, by limiting it to one or the other, I will be neutralizing the advantage shared by those that have Internet access as opposed to those companies that do not have Internet access. Beame | Beame@McMaster.CA Clarkson | bkc@omnigate.clarkson.edu Cornell | CMU | Excelan | FTP | info@ftp.com FUSION | IBM | KA9Q | MIT | NCSA | Stanford | Sun | garnold@East.Sun.COM UB | Wollongong | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Final Notes: 1) FTP Software is OEMed to BICC Data Networks, Fibronics, Proteon, cisco, Spider Systems, MICOM-Interlan, Scope, Univation, Western Digital, AT&T, Acer, D-Link, IMC Networks, Gateway and HP. 2) Clarkson software is an offshoot of the NCSA product. 3) Sun's PC-NFS is OEMed to Accurate Information Systems, ASCII Corporation (KANJI version), BICC Data Networks, Bridge Communications, CMC, Eastman Kodak, Honeywell Bull, Intergraph, Interleaf, Lachman Associates, Logic Tree, NOCOM AB, Olivetti USA, Word Systems Inc.
andrew@dgbt.uucp (Andrew Patrick ) (08/10/89)
In article <8908081026.aa10968@louie.udel.edu> Hank Nussbacher <Hank%BARILVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu> writes: ... > The Pc/Ip Scorecard > revision 7: 08/07/89 > --------------------- ... >TABLE #1: >--------- > >Vendor TFTP SMTP VT- 3270 FTP max cost packet > 100 Clnt FTP ($) driver >--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---------+------+ ... >Stanford 3.0 | No | Yes| Yes| No | Yes| | 100@site| | ... Who is the "Stanford" listed in the tables, and where can they be reached? -- Andrew Patrick, Ph.D. Communications Research Centre (613) 990-4675 Department of Communications, Ottawa, CANADA UUCP or Internet: andrew@dgbt.crc.dnd.ca BITNET: andrew@doccrc It's December 1941 in Casablanca, what time is it in New York?
clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements) (08/16/89)
In article <8908081026.aa10968@louie.udel.edu> Hank Nussbacher <Hank%BARILVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu> writes: >The response has been underwhelming to say the least. > [...] > The Pc/Ip Scorecard > revision 7: 08/07/89 Sorry, Hank, but: I have repeatedly sent updates in the past, even receiving acknowledgements of some of them, and they were not included in later revisions, including this one. So I didn't bother to send anything this time. Nor do I have any faith in the contents of the Scorecard. Before anyone demands to see my correspondence to prove the above, don't bother. I don't keep all my old mail. I don't usually flame, but I felt this was relevant. Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com (Author of two of the Clarkson drivers and an early WD8003 driver in KA9Q NET. Speaking only for myself, not my employer, who wasn't involved in those drivers, either.)
terry@sunquest.UUCP (Terry Friedrichsen) (08/17/89)
I don't see Digital Equipment Corporation's DEPCA board on the scorecard. Is it identical to one of the listed boards? My DECnet-DOS documentation talks about MICOM NI5010-1 and NI5010-2, and 3Com IE4 and IE2 also working with DECnet-DOS. The MICOM board looks to be the same as the Interlan board listed in the scorecard, but I can't make sense of the 3Com board designations in light of the "IE4" and "IE2" that my manual mentions. Can someone fill in the gaps for me please? Thanks for any and all replies, and I will (of course) summarize back to the net. (If your reply to this message bounces, try TERRY@SDSC.EDU instead. THAT should work well.) Terry R. Friedrichsen Disclaimer: the company doesn't read my messages, so it can't possibly know what I am saying!
TERESA@SLACVM.BITNET ("Teresa L. Downey") (07/17/90)
I have a copy of the very useful "PC/IP Scorecard" from 8/7/89. Is there a newer copy available?
mcclellan@delni.enet.dec.com ("ROLF @DTN226-7184") (01/18/91)
Can you send me an up to date version of this. Mine is V6 from 1988. Thanks. Rolf McClellan