[comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc] Telnet from DOS - UNIX box via serial port &

keith@ca.excelan.com (Keith Brown) (06/27/91)

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1991 21:15:09 GMT

In article <1991Jun01.012032.3364@actrix.gen.nz> john@actrix.gen.nz (John Vorstermans) writes:
>
>I am looking for software that will allow a user dialing in via modem
>to a DOS box to login to a UNIX box via a small local ethernet.
>

This is exactly what some of us are in the habit of doing here. How?
Well, about a year ago I had an idea (not had one since but I am working
on it :-)). We (Novell) have a product called the Access Server. To cut
an entire slide presentation down to one sentance, the Access Server is
basically 16 PCs in a single 80386 PC, each virtual PC being able to
be dialled into over serial lines from a variety of devices including
terminals and remote PCs and each virtual PC is NetWare enabled (ie. you
can dial into an Access Server, become a virtual PC, switch to a network
drive and login to a NetWare server). Terrific....

We also have a product called the LAN WorkPlace for DOS. This is our TCP/IP
offering for DOS PCs that contains a fully re-entrant TCP/IP stack that
hangs together splendidly under both Windows 3.0 and, more importantly in
this case, Desqview. The way the Access Server does it's multiple virtual
PC on one 386 processor trick (and its memory management) is via a
"specialish" version of Desqview. Given that the LAN WorkPlace works with
Desqview, it doesn't take a giant leap of the imagination to conclude that the
LAN WorkPlace and the Access Server can be used in conjunction with each
other. This is basically what I did and it worked like a charm. You can dial
into an Access Server and telnet and FTP your way out onto the LAN.

The trick...... Before the AS fires up, load up and configure the LAN
WorkPlace TCP/IP transport TSR (and its underlying ODI driver, of course).
You also need to load our Int 14h redirector (TELAPI) if you wish to use
telnet from inside the DOS boxes, which I imagine everyone will? Then,
edit the various batch files that initialise the Access Servers RAM disk
to copy the various LAN WorkPlace utilities into the appropriate directories
so they will be available to the virtual PCs.  This is actually optional
as you could just keep the LAN WorkPlace utilities on a server somewhere
and get at them that way after logging in to said server. Finally, execute
the batch files that start up the Access Server and Bob is, as they say,
your uncle.

Now for the bad news. You need two LAN adaptors.  Yes, yes, I know! :-( :-(
The reason is that LAN WorkPlace uses the ODI and the Access Server doesn't.
Please don't flame me, it's not my fault. Still, if you do have an extra
LAN adaptor handy.......

Keith
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puglia@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Puglia) (06/27/91)

In article <1991Jun26.211509.8113@novell.com> keith@ca.excelan.com (Keith Brown) writes:
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>Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1991 21:15:09 GMT
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>In article <1991Jun01.012032.3364@actrix.gen.nz> john@actrix.gen.nz (John Vorstermans) writes:
>>
>
>We also have a product called the LAN WorkPlace for DOS. This is our TCP/IP
>offering for DOS PCs that contains a fully re-entrant TCP/IP stack that
>hangs together splendidly under both Windows 3.0 and, more importantly in
>this case, Desqview. The way the Access Server does it's multiple virtual
>PC on one 386 processor trick (and its memory management) is via a
>"specialish" version of Desqview. Given that the LAN WorkPlace works with
>Desqview, it doesn't take a giant leap of the imagination to conclude that the

Speaking of Desqview, or more specifically, Desqview/X. I have heard
there has been some hint that Desqview/X will only work with FTPs
stuff. For those of us folks who are going to run LAN WorkPlace,
and would like to use Desqview to turn our pcs into X terminals.
this is a minus.  Does anyone know if Desqview/X is going to support
Lan WorkPlace for DOS? 

Paul Puglia
Dept of Civil Engineering
Columbia Univserity

chapman@acf3.NYU.EDU (Gary W. Chapman,WWH 318,212-998-3045,718-499-7815) (06/28/91)

How many copies of Lan Workplace does one buy to allow 16 dialin
users to telnet via an Access Server?

 - Gary Chapman, NYU

keith@ca.excelan.com (Keith Brown) (06/28/91)

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1991 21:09:19 GMT

In article <1991Jun27.162600.11139@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> puglia@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Puglia) writes:
>
>Speaking of Desqview, or more specifically, Desqview/X. I have heard
>there has been some hint that Desqview/X will only work with FTPs
>stuff.

Absolute rot! I do wish I could get my hands on the people who put out these
lavatorial messages. It is in the interests of all application developers
who tie into any protocols stack, TCP/IP or otherwise, to try and support
as much of the installed base as possible. Even though we are the giant
of the network operating system business, most apps vendors choose to support
Banyan and LAN Manager aswell because they have no interest in doing our
marketing for us! We don't mind (much :-)). We do our own marketing.

The same now goes for the TCP/IP stack that's in the LAN WorkPlace for DOS.
The big red machine has it's weight well and truly behind LAN WorkPlace
and our installed base is huge and growing. We hold a developers conference
annually attended by over 1500 developers and this year the sessions on
socket and TLI programming using LAN WorkPlace and NetWare 3.11 were about
the best attended of any (with the possible exception of the NetWare vs LANman
session).

To answer your question though (stop ranting Brown :-)), Quarterdeck are
one of our developers and Desqview/X looks great. I had a demo of it
at NetWorld this year. I plan to run it on some of the LAN WorkPlace
machines that I use.

Keith


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Keith Brown                                      Phone: (408) 473 8308
Novell San Jose Development Centre               Fax:   (408) 433 0775
2180 Fortune Dr, San Jose, California 95131      Net:   keith@novell.COM