[net.micro] Free is inferior -- by definition?

WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Frank J. Wancho) (04/01/85)

What's this?  Are you all really passively standing on the sidelines
accepting as gospel the "fact" that free is inferior?  Certainly there
is alot of trash in the public domain.  But, there are a few gems,
too!  And some of those gems are the reason why the equivalent
commercial versions don't exist, and where they do, they're overkill
so that you'll get the warm fuzzy feeling that you've got your money's
worth over something that is free.  Does that make the commercial
version "superior"?

Is it superior because it's "bsupported"?  Just what does "supported"
mean?  Does it mean bugs get fixed?  Well, some of those gems are
supported too, and perhaps better, particularly the popular utility
programs.

So, let's not accept blanket statements such as "free is inferior".
The fact of the matter is there are a handful of gems whose value far
out weigh their cost.  In most of those cases, they are more than
free; they're priceless.


If I didn't believe that last statement was true, I wouldn't have
bothered to make the space available here for those gems and other
diamonds in the rough as well as the "trash".  As for the "trash",
that's only someone's perception of usefulness, and so is inferiority.
That is why what is available here is everything that we can find,
as-is, and leave you to find something that suits you.  In many cases,
that alone is sufficient, and certainly better than nothing.

--Frank

BillW@SU-SCORE.ARPA (William Chops Westfield) (04/02/85)

The major problem with Public domain software is that it is
hard to get ahold of.  It lacks a distributer network.  What I
think of as support (with respect to PD having less than
boughten software) is that you can go down to your friendly
neighborhodd computer store, say "I need a program that does
XXX for my YYY computer", and have them give you a disk that
fits YYY's disk drives, and a manual that tells you how to
use the program.  Hopefully, there will be several programs
that do XXX, and the salesperson will be able to let you
try them out, and/or give you advice on which one would be
better for you...

KERMIT is probably one of the best communications programs
around, but have you ever tried to bring it up on a system
that you didn't already have a communications program for?
(or a friend who could give you a disk?).

Remember that for a typical $200 program, less than 20%
goes back to the programmer (for programs written by an
individual and marketed through a publisher).  The publishers
and distributers have profits too, but I would guess that
the actual cost of distributing a program are close to 40%
of the final price.  The program will still cost $80 even
if written by RMS and his friends for free...

Another thing to note is that PD programs like Kermit
frequently have a "distribution fee" to cover the costs
of making the tape and sending it out and so on.  This
is usually $100-$200, more than many micro programs...

BillW

werner@ut-ngp.UUCP (Werner Uhrig) (04/02/85)

now, Brad, you asked for this.  I would like to know what software you have
written and are asking money for, so I can compare it's quality and support
with what RMS has done and will be doing in the future.

and if I can, I will try to make you eat your words.   PHHHHeeet.

	))-:

jpm@bnl.ARPA (John McNamee) (04/02/85)

	Date: 1 Apr 1985 13:07-PST
	Subject: Re: Free is inferior -- by definition?
	From:  William Chops Westfield <BillW@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
	
	The major problem with Public domain software is that it is
	hard to get ahold of.  It lacks a distributer network.  What I
	think of as support (with respect to PD having less than
	boughten software) is that you can go down to your friendly
	neighborhodd computer store, say "I need a program that does
	XXX for my YYY computer", and have them give you a disk that
	fits YYY's disk drives, and a manual that tells you how to
	use the program.

Instead, you go down to your friendly neighborhood computer club and ask
for help. You will get a much more honest opinion of which package is best
by asking other users than you will by asking a salesman, and if the best
package for you happens to be public domain you should be able to get a
copy from the club.

	Another thing to note is that PD programs like Kermit
	frequently have a "distribution fee" to cover the costs
	of making the tape and sending it out and so on.  This
	is usually $100-$200, more than many micro programs...

The $100-$200 fee seems to be the going rate for tapes. In the microcomputer
world, the going rate for a public domain disk is around $10. If you have an
oddball format it might cost a bit more to get the disk converted, but this
is less and less of a problem as the industry standardizes itself. Only the
CP/M world still has major disk format problems, and that world has become a
non-issue since no new CP/M software is being written (anybody who cares to
debate this point should move the discussion into Info-CPM).

SY.FDC@CU20B.ARPA (Frank da Cruz) (04/02/85)

EMACS, Kermit, and some other packages form a special category of "public
domain" software (Kermit is not in the public domain, but it is free and
unlicensed, and may be copied and redistributed freely, but not sold).  These
packages are unlike other free software in that they are generally distributed
not to individuals, but to organizations which in turn provide the software to
their individual users.

In the case of EMACS (at least TOPS-20 EMACS), the computer center gets the
tape and does the installation, and then all the users benefit immediately
without having to cope with the procurement, space allocation, mapping of
TOPS-20 terminal types to internal TECO terminal types, etc etc.

In the case of Kermit, the computer center gets the tape, installs the
mainframe Kermit programs on its timesharing systems, and then computer
center staff goes through the agony of bootstrapping the microcomputer versions
from the timesharing systems on to the various micros that are important at
that site, so that ordinary users can obtain Kermit for their PCs on disk from
the computer center.  Granted, if the computer center does not do this, then
the user has a hard road to hoe -- but most are eventually able to cope.  To
ease the pain, organizations and individuals are coming forth who are willing
to distribute specific Kermit programs on various kinds of diskettes for a
small reproduction fee (generally 5 to 10 dollars).

Columbia is not the sole source for Kermit -- it can also be obtained on
various user group tapes (DECUS and SHARE for example), as well as over several
computer networks.  However, the demand for Kermit tapes from Columbia is so
high (many per day) that a distribution fee had to be instituted.  Presently it
is $100.  For that, one receives a new 2400' reel of tape containing about 120
Kermit programs with source and documentation, over 300 pages of printed
material, and a shipping container, postage paid.  Deducting just the cost of
the tape and the box (which you may keep and reuse) from the $100 fee leaves
about $80 -- which works out to about 67 cents per program.  That $80 goes to
pay the part time workers who process the orders, make and pack the tapes, and
answer innumerable written and telephone inquiries each day, and also to pay
the shipping, printing, telephone, supplies, and related costs.

When an organization takes one of these 67 cent programs and distributes it to
500 of its users, the cost of the software to the user has dwindled to nothing.
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