rusty@velveeta.berkeley.edu (11/09/87)
Sorry if this is has already been discussed. Please mail me your response. On a Mac II with multifinder and the system (4.2?) and finder (6.0?) that came with multifinder none of the visual effects (zoom, barn door, iris, wipe, etc.) work. Has anybody heard of this bug? Is there any way to fix it? -------------------------------------- rusty c. wright rusty@weyl.berkeley.edu ucbvax!weyl!rusty
andrew@ems.Ems.MN.ORG (Andrew C.Esh) (11/13/87)
In article <4@ovaltine.berkeley.edu> rusty@velveeta.berkeley.edu () writes: >Sorry if this is has already been discussed. Please mail me your >response. > >On a Mac II with multifinder and the system (4.2?) and finder (6.0?) >that came with multifinder none of the visual effects (zoom, barn door, >iris, wipe, etc.) work. Has anybody heard of this bug? Is there any >way to fix it? > >-------------------------------------- > rusty c. wright > rusty@weyl.berkeley.edu ucbvax!weyl!rusty If you set the number of colors to 2 the effects work fine. It has to do with the screen memory use; the effects must have been written for the Old-Fashioned black-and-white displays, with traps to ignore the color displays. You should see MacPaint in 256 colors: Five cute little multi-colored windows across the top of the screen, all synchronously updating. :-) - Andrew P.S. I love my ationaationa
mike@ronin.cc.umich.edu (Michael Nowak) (11/13/87)
In article <4@ovaltine.berkeley.edu> rusty@velveeta.berkeley.edu () writes: ... >On a Mac II with multifinder and the system (4.2?) and finder (6.0?) >that came with multifinder none of the visual effects (zoom, barn door, >iris, wipe, etc.) work. Has anybody heard of this bug? Is there any >way to fix it? > >-------------------------------------- > rusty c. wright > rusty@weyl.berkeley.edu ucbvax!weyl!rusty I believe the problem is that HyperCard only works in monochrome. If you select two grays from the Control Panel Monitor option, you'll get your visual effects back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In Real Life: Michael Nowak | Cogito Via Internet: mike@ronin.cc.umich.edu | Ergo Via UUCP: uunet!umix!ronin.cc.umich.edu!mike | Zoom! Working for but in no way representing the University of Michigan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
john@felix.UUCP (John Gilbert) (11/17/87)
In article <4@ovaltine.berkeley.edu> rusty@velveeta.berkeley.edu () writes: >Sorry if this is has already been discussed. Please mail me your >response. > >On a Mac II with multifinder and the system (4.2?) and finder (6.0?) >that came with multifinder none of the visual effects (zoom, barn door, >iris, wipe, etc.) work. Has anybody heard of this bug? Is there any >way to fix it? I had never heard of it, but I have observed the exact same thing. I had a small presentation stack with some nice dissolves in it which failed to do anything but some default, tho I think the default was wipe down, which I don't think is the normal default. At any rate, I wanted to lend credence to your report. John G. -- John Gilbert !trwrb!felix!john
hyperbug@apple.UUCP (Keith Rollin) (11/18/87)
In article <13160@felix.UUCP> john@felix.UUCP (John Gilbert) writes: >In article <4@ovaltine.berkeley.edu> rusty@velveeta.berkeley.edu () writes: >>Sorry if this is has already been discussed. Please mail me your >>response. >> >>On a Mac II with multifinder and the system (4.2?) and finder (6.0?) >>that came with multifinder none of the visual effects (zoom, barn door, >>iris, wipe, etc.) work. Has anybody heard of this bug? Is there any >>way to fix it? > >I had never heard of it, but I have observed the exact same thing. I had >a small presentation stack with some nice dissolves in it which failed to >do anything but some default, tho I think the default was wipe down, which >I don't think is the normal default. At any rate, I wanted to lend >credence to your report. > It's OK; we know about this one. Actually, it's not a bug, but an honest to <name your diety> feature that the programmers worked hard at to put in. Because of speed and memory limitation (mostly speed), visual effects are disabled when your screen is using 2 or more bits per pixel. You can get the visual effects back by pulling up the Control Panel and using the Monitors cdev to set the display back to 1 bit/pixel (2 color mode). The default wipe is "Plain", I think. This just plops the new card over the other, with no effects other than the one inherant in a BlockMove(). -- Apple's HyperCard Grievance Center "Give us your bugs, your comments, your gentle criticisms..." UUCP: {pyramid!sun,voder,nsc,ucbvax!mtxinu,dual,decwrl,amdahl}!apple!hyperbug
drc@dbase.UUCP (11/18/87)
In article <13160@felix.UUCP>, john@felix.UUCP (John Gilbert) writes: > In article <4@ovaltine.berkeley.edu> rusty@velveeta.berkeley.edu () writes: > >Sorry if this is has already been discussed. Please mail me your > >response. > > > >On a Mac II with multifinder and the system (4.2?) and finder (6.0?) > >that came with multifinder none of the visual effects (zoom, barn door, > >iris, wipe, etc.) work. Has anybody heard of this bug? Is there any > >way to fix it? > > I had never heard of it, but I have observed the exact same thing. I had > a small presentation stack with some nice dissolves in it which failed to > do anything but some default, tho I think the default was wipe down, which > I don't think is the normal default. At any rate, I wanted to lend > credence to your report. > The observation is correct. If you want to see the visual effects on your Mac II, you need to go to "2-bit" mode. Bill Atkinson does not support the visual effects if you aren't in "standard Mac" video mode. The visual effects are produced by writing directly to the screen, just as MacPaint does, but at least in HyperCard he checks to see what his environment is and turns off the effects if the video mode doesn't support it. If you really want to see some wierd behavior, run HyperCard on the II under MultiFinder and start switching windows. Try to guess which window is in front. Dennis Cohen Ashton-Tate Glendale Development Center dBASE Mac Development Team -------------------------- Disclaimer: ^^ My opinions, all mine ^^
edmoy@opal.berkeley.edu.UUCP (11/18/87)
In article <6765@apple.UUCP> hyperbug@apple.UUCP (Keith Rollin) writes: >It's OK; we know about this one. Actually, it's not a bug, but an honest >to <name your diety> feature that the programmers worked hard at to put in. >Because of speed and memory limitation (mostly speed), visual effects are >disabled when your screen is using 2 or more bits per pixel. You can get the >visual effects back by pulling up the Control Panel and using the Monitors >cdev to set the display back to 1 bit/pixel (2 color mode). > >The default wipe is "Plain", I think. This just plops the new card over the >other, with no effects other than the one inherant in a BlockMove(). >-- > >Apple's HyperCard Grievance Center >"Give us your bugs, your comments, your gentle criticisms..." > >UUCP: {pyramid!sun,voder,nsc,ucbvax!mtxinu,dual,decwrl,amdahl}!apple!hyperbug I suggest having this a configurable option on the next version of HyperCard. I think many (if not most) people would be willing to give up speed for some of the neat visual effects. Setting the screen back to 1 bit is a pain. Also, if someone wrote an external command that could display color, then he could have both color and visual effects. Edward Moy Academic Computing Services University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 edmoy@opal.Berkeley.EDU ucbvax!opal!edmoy
andrew@ems.UUCP (11/19/87)
And if we large screen users could upsize the HyperCard screen, I'm sure we'd be grateful. - Andrew
john@felix.UUCP (John Gilbert) (11/19/87)
In article <6765@apple.UUCP> hyperbug@apple.UUCP (Keith Rollin) writes: >In article <13160@felix.UUCP> john@felix.UUCP (John Gilbert) writes: >>I had never heard of it, but I have observed the exact same thing. I had >>a small presentation stack with some nice dissolves in it which failed to >>do anything but some default, tho I think the default was wipe down, which >>I don't think is the normal default. At any rate, I wanted to lend >>credence to your report. >> > >It's OK; we know about this one. Actually, it's not a bug, but an honest >to <name your diety> feature that the programmers worked hard at to put in. >Because of speed and memory limitation (mostly speed), visual effects are >disabled when your screen is using 2 or more bits per pixel. You can get the >visual effects back by pulling up the Control Panel and using the Monitors >cdev to set the display back to 1 bit/pixel (2 color mode). > This seems more like a limitation than a "feature". A feature would probably allow for global defaults to turn the thing on or off. My scripts use dissolve. I actually want them to go somewhat slow (Mac + speed is almost faster than I want). If speed is the driveing factor, why not let the user decide if they want the effects on or off after they see how fast it is. In my case, my presentation has some cards that are aligned such that a dissolve has a very nice fading effect, and the wipe just looks bad. Is there any plan for supporting such global parameters which can be controled for the individual machine? Ones that last longer than the duration of the particular message handler script? I can understand them not being in the first release, but will we ever see them? John Gilbert -- John Gilbert !trwrb!felix!john
howard@cpocd2.UUCP (Howard A. Landman) (11/25/87)
>In article <6765@apple.UUCP> hyperbug@apple.UUCP (Keith Rollin) writes: >>It's OK; we know about this one. Actually, it's not a bug, but an honest >>to <name your diety> feature that the programmers worked hard at to put in. >>Because of speed and memory limitation (mostly speed), visual effects are >>disabled when your screen is using 2 or more bits per pixel. In article <5967@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> edmoy@opal.berkeley.edu () writes: >I suggest having this a configurable option on the next version of HyperCard. >I think many (if not most) people would be willing to give up speed for some >of the neat visual effects. Setting the screen back to 1 bit is a pain. >Also, if someone wrote an external command that could display color, then >he could have both color and visual effects. Keith, I agree with Ed. Consider the case where someone has specified visual effect dissolve very slowly and you are refusing to dissolve at all in the interest of speed. Kind of silly. So, it might be worthwhile not only making it configurable, but allowing it to depend on the specified speed, e.g., do it if slowly or very slowly are specified, but not otherwise. This limit may have to depend on the number of bits per pixel. The memory limitations are acceptable if necessary, but does the code check to see whether it is running on (say) an 8 MB Mac II with 6 MB free? Hah, I thought not. This check should not take as long as performing an effect, and so would be worth adding. -- Howard A. Landman {oliveb,hplabs}!intelca!mipos3!cpocd2!howard howard%cpocd2.intel.com@RELAY.CS.NET "Press here"