huub@phoibos.cs.kun.nl (Huub van Thienen) (07/04/90)
I tried to buy HC 2.0 (at least I want to have it as soon as it arrives from Apple), but my local Apple dealer refused to sell it. In stead they tried to sell me HC 1.2.x (which is indeed a later version than my somewhat obsolete HC 1.0.1). Their argument was that HC 2.0 does not work with system 6.0.3 (the system I am currently running). It would require system 6.0.5. or later (is there a later version?) They would not sell me system 6.0.5 either, saying tht it would take "major upgrades" (whatever that may mean) in the rest of my software. I don't believe anything of what the said. They are just trying to get rid of their old stock of HC 1.2.x packages. I have a few questions about it, and I hope there are some informed people out there in NetLand that can answer them: 1) Is it true that HC 2.0 requires system 6.0.5 and will not work with 6.0.3? (Neither the original press release nor any of the follow ups made any reference to this.) 2) Is it really so hard to upgrade from system 6.0.3 to 6.0.5? Any information on the subject will be appreciated. Thanks for helping. Huub van Thienen (huub@cs.kun.nl)
mouse@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Dhanapong Saengrussamee, University of North Texas) (07/05/90)
In article <1756@wn1.sci.kun.nl>, huub@phoibos.cs.kun.nl (Huub van Thienen) writes: > ... > ... > 1) Is it true that HC 2.0 requires system 6.0.5 and will not work with > 6.0.3? (Neither the original press release nor any of the follow ups > made any reference to this.) > Yes, version 2.0 require at least system version 6.0.5. > 2) Is it really so hard to upgrade from system 6.0.3 to 6.0.5? > > Huub van Thienen > (huub@cs.kun.nl) No! Get yourself a free upgrade direct from Apple 8^) *claps* *claps* *claps* *claps* Anonymous FTP to Apple.COM and the 6.0.5 system software is under /pub/dts/sw.license directory. Below is the (sort of) snapshot of the directory. *ls -al /pub/dts/sw.license -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 890863 Apr 17 11:11 201i-ethertalk-install.hqx -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 858898 Apr 17 08:42 301i-cdrom-setup.hqx -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 23826 Apr 17 11:03 605-change-history.hqx -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 2411 Mar 19 10:25 605-readme.txt -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 3413 Mar 19 10:19 605-technical-information.txt -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 871055 Apr 17 09:10 605i-network-installer.hqx -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 854051 Apr 17 09:38 605i-printing-tools.hqx -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 872124 Apr 17 10:06 605i-system-tools.hqx -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 891221 Apr 17 10:35 605i-utilities-1.hqx -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 772930 Apr 18 09:08 605i-utilities-2.hqx -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 95537 Apr 17 10:40 diskcopy-4-1.hqx -rw-r-xr-x 1 .... 8496 Apr 17 10:48 end-user-license-agreement.txt *cmd complete * Notice the size of each file! Those 605i-xxx is imaged file generated from DiskCopy so you will need to get diskcopy-4-1.hqx and have floppies ready for de-image (or un-image, sp?) after you de-BinHex (or un-BinHex, more sp?). So have much, much disk spaces ready! And don't forget the last file, you are required to get it and read it (eventhough you don't have to sign, seal, and deliver to Apple 8^) ). __Mouse.o()~ -----------------------------------+------------------------------------------ Dhanapong "Mouse" Saengrussamee | AppleLink : U1364 | BITNET : mouse@untvax Technical Support, CECS Dept., | BIX : d.mouse.s | CompuServe : 71301,1516 University of North Texas, | GENie : d.saengrussa | IP : 129.120.1.4 PO Box 5155, Denton, TX 76203-5155 | Internet : mouse@vaxb.acs.unt.edu voice (817) 565-3790 | SPAN : utspan::utandx::untvax::mouse fax (817) 565-4425 | THENet : untvax::mouse ------------------- UUCP : {...!uunet!convex!iex}!ntvax!vaxb.acs.unt.edu!mouse This is not the end. <-- This is a quote from a movie not a This is not the beginning of the end. < disclaimer. I am, just a graduate This is the end of the beginning. < student, not allowed to disclaim - R. Sherman < anything.
gannholm@apple.com (Martin Gannholm) (07/05/90)
In article <1756@wn1.sci.kun.nl> huub@phoibos.cs.kun.nl (Huub van Thienen) writes: > 1) Is it true that HC 2.0 requires system 6.0.5 and will not work with > 6.0.3? (Neither the original press release nor any of the follow ups > made any reference to this.) Yes, HyperCard 2.0 requires 6.0.5 -- it will not launch under 6.0.3, guaranteed. > 2) Is it really so hard to upgrade from system 6.0.3 to 6.0.5? Mixed reactions to this -- a lot has happened in system software between those versions. Chances are pretty high that you should (have to) upgrade some of your applications to their latest versions. I think you should pin down your dealer and get him/her to clearly state all the problems incurred by upgrading to 6.0.5 -- seems like the dealer is trying to pull a fast one on you. Martin Gannholm Apple Computer Exclaimer !!!
tim@efi.com (Tim Maroney) (07/06/90)
In article <1756@wn1.sci.kun.nl> huub@phoibos.cs.kun.nl (Huub van Thienen) writes: >I tried to buy HC 2.0 (at least I want to have it as soon as it >arrives from Apple), but my local Apple dealer refused to sell it. In >stead they tried to sell me HC 1.2.x (which is indeed a later version >than my somewhat obsolete HC 1.0.1). Their argument was that HC 2.0 >does not work with system 6.0.3 (the system I am currently running). >It would require system 6.0.5. or later (is there a later version?) >They would not sell me system 6.0.5 either, saying tht it would take >"major upgrades" (whatever that may mean) in the rest of my software. > >I don't believe anything of what the said. They are just trying to get >rid of their old stock of HC 1.2.x packages. Sure looks that way. However, if your dealer refuses to give you a system software upgrade, they are violating their agreement with Apple and could be risking the termination of that agreement. You might want to mention that to them, and if not, mention it to Apple.
gibson@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (William Kerr Gibson) (07/06/90)
In article <28780.26924766@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> mouse@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Dhanapong Saengrussamee, University of North Texas) writes: >In article <1756@wn1.sci.kun.nl>, >huub@phoibos.cs.kun.nl (Huub van Thienen) writes: >> ... >> ... >> 1) Is it true that HC 2.0 requires system 6.0.5 and will not work with >> 6.0.3? (Neither the original press release nor any of the follow ups >> made any reference to this.) >> >Yes, version 2.0 require at least system version 6.0.5. > I am currently using the beta test version of Hypercard 2.0 and find that it works perfectly well with 6.0.4 I decided not to upgrade to 6.0.5 on my IIcx because I had heard that the only things added/changed in 6.0.5 were for the portable or the IIfx. Apparently 6.0.5 has been causing a lot of trouble so I am glad I did not switch. To be fair however, my preliminary documentation says "HyperCard 2.0 requires Macintosh System Software version 6.0.5 or A/UX 2.0 or later." I also may not have had trouble with 2.0b25 because I have not found it yet. Anyway, to Mr. van Thienen, I can only say that your dealer is a money-grubbing slimeball. I would find another dealer if I were you. --Kerr
austing@Apple.COM (Glenn L. Austin) (07/06/90)
gibson@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (William Kerr Gibson) writes: > I am currently using the beta test version of Hypercard 2.0 and >find that it works perfectly well with 6.0.4 I decided not to upgrade to >6.0.5 on my IIcx because I had heard that the only things added/changed in >6.0.5 were for the portable or the IIfx. There were also some bugs fixed in 6.0.5 that affect every machine (such as the Sound Manager, TextEdit and 800K Disk eject patch). I've found a lot of software that had problems under 6.0.4 that work find under both 6.0.3 AND 6.0.5. I suggest upgrading anyway to 6.0.5. There are a lot of benefits and VERY few, if not no, detriments to upgrading to 6.0.5. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Glenn L. Austin | "Turn too soon, run out of room, | | Auto Racing Enthusiast and | Turn too late, much better fate" | | Communications Toolbox Hacker | - Jim Russell Racing School Instructors | | Apple Computer, Inc. | "Drive slower, race faster" - D. Waltrip | | Internet: austing@apple.com |-------------------------------------------| | AppleLink: AUSTIN.GLENN | All opinions stated above are mine -- | | Bellnet: (408) 974-0876 | who else would want them? | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
fozzard@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Richard Fozzard) (07/11/90)
In article <42688@apple.Apple.COM> austing@Apple.COM (Glenn L. Austin) writes: >6.0.5. I suggest upgrading anyway to 6.0.5. There are a lot of benefits >and VERY few, if not no, detriments to upgrading to 6.0.5. One detriment for SE/30 users should be mentioned: If you have a second monitor that you assign the menu bar to, and put your Finder windows on the SE/30 screen, those windows will be unreachable if you disconnect the 2nd monitor. I have a color monitor at home, and often carry my machine to work. Losing those Finder windows can be very frustrating. Under 6.0.4, the machine is smart enough to realize that the windows cannot be located and just gives me a default window in the middle of the screen. Why this intelligence is lost in 6.0.5 is beyond me. Needless to say, I will not upgrade to 6.0.5! ======================================================================== Richard Fozzard "Serendipity empowers" Univ of Colorado/CIRES/NOAA R/E/FS 325 Broadway, Boulder, CO 80303 fozzard@boulder.colorado.edu (303)497-6011 or 444-3168