pv9y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (07/12/90)
Better start calling Apple, if this article is true. It is
reprinted without permission from NewsBytes from AOL
because it sounded like everyone would have lynched me if
I'd tried to paraphrase and gotten it wrong.
My recommendation is to keep the email coming, both on the
Internet and on Applelink, and to call Apple and complain as
well. I see no reasons, business or legal, why they shouldn't
post HyperCard for FTP at least on their own system if not
others.
-Adam
HYPERCARD NOT TO BE ONLINE
CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A., 1990 JUL 3 (NB) -- In a
departure from its handling of some other system software
products, Apple Computer has decided not to distribute its
new Hypercard 2.0 online on bulletin boards or online
services.
Contrary to a report which appeared in Newsbytes recently,
Hypercard software will not be licensed to online systems,
according to Cindy McCaffrey, public relations specialist at
Apple Computer. The product will be distributed through
users' groups and dealers only.
"We do license certain products to BBSes. However, a
decision was made by the product manager not to license
Hypercard to BBSes," McCaffrey tells Newsbytes. "This was
not a legal but a business decision. There is no overall
clear-cut policy, that we do or do not publish our system
software online, just that we won't with this product
(Hypercard)," she says.
--
Adam C. Engst pv9y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
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-Paul Simon sean@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Sean P. Nolan) (07/13/90)
pv9y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: > [...] >HYPERCARD NOT TO BE ONLINE >CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A., 1990 JUL 3 (NB) -- In a >departure from its handling of some other system software >products, Apple Computer has decided not to distribute its >new Hypercard 2.0 online on bulletin boards or online >services. > [...] I figure I ought to cast my vote so as not to appear part of the silent masses. PLEASE! Put HC2 on apple.com. Or I'll cry. --- Sean +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean P. Nolan | Net: Sean_Nolan@Dartmouth.EDU | "That's not a | | Dartmouth College | | baby, that's a | | Hinman Box 2658 | SCALP 'EM! | Mr. Potatohead!" | | Hanover, NH 03755 | | --- A.W.O.T.M. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
jk3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan King) (07/13/90)
pv9y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: > Better start calling Apple, if this article is true. It is > reprinted without permission from NewsBytes from AOL > because it sounded like everyone would have lynched me if > I'd tried to paraphrase and gotten it wrong. > > My recommendation is to keep the email coming, both on the > Internet and on Applelink, and to call Apple and complain as > well. I see no reasons, business or legal, why they shouldn't > post HyperCard for FTP at least on their own system if not > others. > > -Adam Actually, I see *no* reason to post to this group about this, since we all seem to agree that Hypercard by FTP would be a good thing. I believe e-mail to the product manager who made this decision would be the best bet, since then she or he would then find out directly how strongly people feel about this and possibly change the policy. So: does anybody know who the Hypercard project manager is, and what the appropriate mail addresses/phone numbers are? jking
macman@wpi.wpi.edu (Chris Silverberg) (07/13/90)
> "We do license certain products to BBSes. However, a decision was > made by the product manager not to license Hypercard to BBSes," > McCaffrey tells Newsbytes. "This was not a legal but a business > decision. This is probably due to the latest thinking that Hypercard 2.0 MAY become a Claris product, and therefore be able to more effectively complete with SuperCard. With that reasoning, that would put Hypercard into a commercial category.... just thoughts... ._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Chris Silverberg AOL: Silverberg Worcester Polytechnic Institute GEnie: C.Silverberg INTERNET: macman@wpi.wpi.edu SYSOP: Main Street U.S.A. BBS FIDONET: 322/575.1 508.832.7725 (1200/2400)
Q8N@psuvm.psu.edu (Scott D. Camp) (07/13/90)
In article <14005@wpi.wpi.edu>, macman@wpi.wpi.edu (Chris Silverberg) says: > >This is probably due to the latest thinking that Hypercard 2.0 MAY become >a Claris product, and therefore be able to more effectively complete >with SuperCard. With that reasoning, that would put Hypercard into a >commercial category.... just thoughts... I thought Atkinson gave the rights to HyperCard to Apple on the condition that Apple never charge for it. What information do I have wrong? Scott D. Camp Q8N@PSUVM.PSU.EDU The Pennsylvania State University 305 Oswald Tower University Park, PA 16802 814-863-0121
rapickering@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (07/15/90)
In article <14005@wpi.wpi.edu>, macman@wpi.wpi.edu (Chris Silverberg) writes: > > "We do license certain products to BBSes. However, a decision was > > made by the product manager not to license Hypercard to BBSes," > > McCaffrey tells Newsbytes. "This was not a legal but a business > > decision. > > This is probably due to the latest thinking that Hypercard 2.0 MAY become > a Claris product, and therefore be able to more effectively complete > with SuperCard. With that reasoning, that would put Hypercard into a > commercial category.... just thoughts... > > > ._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. > Chris Silverberg AOL: Silverberg > Worcester Polytechnic Institute GEnie: C.Silverberg > INTERNET: macman@wpi.wpi.edu SYSOP: Main Street U.S.A. BBS > FIDONET: 322/575.1 508.832.7725 (1200/2400) Well, we've recently had a number of Apple presentations down here in Miami University. The Apple reps we had on hand mentioned that Apple computer doesn't produce software. They write operating systems and provide software which are considered "core technology". This "core technology" includes all of the products you find on the Apple system software disks shipped with every mac. HyperCard is considered a "core technology", therefore, I don't believe they will make it a commercial utility. Besides, wouldn't HyperCard 2.0 overtake SuperCard if every mac was shipped with it? Why buy a package that does everything the same as the product you got for free? Just my 2 cents worth. -Rob
bmwu@athena.mit.edu (Benson M. Wu) (07/15/90)
Apple sucks.
mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) (07/17/90)
In article <4569.269c3bb8@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> pv9y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: > >Better start calling Apple, if this article is true. ... > >My recommendation is to keep the email coming, both on the >Internet and on Applelink, and to call Apple and complain as >well. I see no reasons, business or legal, why they shouldn't >post HyperCard for FTP at least on their own system if not >others. > >HYPERCARD NOT TO BE ONLINE > >[article deleted] One reason I can think of why Apple would not want to distribute HyperCard 2.0 electronically and freely is that it is not freeware. Unless I'm mistaken (which I might be), HyperCard, and updates to HyperCard, are free ONLY to people who purchase Macs now, or who purchased Macs since HyperCard started coming with each Mac. Therefore, if you bought a Mac in 1984 or 1985 (I don't recall exactly when HyperCard arrived on the scene) your Mac did not come with HyperCard and therefore Apple does not need to provide you with a free copy. My understanding is that this is why Apple dealers sell HyperCard. Otherwise, who would buy it? I suppose you might buy the package to get the manuals, but I do get the impression that HyperCard upgrades are not free to people who don't already own it. Perhaps a disclaimer is in order... I work for an Apple dealer. And, if I'm wrong, please let me know (as if you wouldn't! :-). -- Mark H. Anbinder ************************* mha@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu BAKA Computers * ******* ...!batcomputer!memory!mha 200 Pleasant Grove Rd. H: (607) 257-3480 ****** Ithaca, NY 14850 W: (607) 257-2070 ***** Memory Alpha BBS 607-257-5822
awessels@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) (07/18/90)
In article <10548@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes: >One reason I can think of why Apple would not want to distribute >HyperCard 2.0 electronically and freely is that it is not freeware. When Apple released HyperCard, it defined HC as "System Software" to help defuse developer anger at Apple getting involved in more application development. Until Apple changes its system software distribution policy, all Mac users are entitled to free upgrades. As I understand it, HyperCard 2.0 will still be available free for the duplicating, but only through dealers who provide access for users to do so (which I understand dealers are supposed to do for all system software updates.)
mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) (07/21/90)
In article <34210@ut-emx.UUCP> awessels@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) writes: >In article <10548@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes: > >>One reason I can think of why Apple would not want to distribute >>HyperCard 2.0 electronically and freely is that it is not freeware. > >When Apple released HyperCard, it defined HC as "System Software" to help >defuse developer anger at Apple getting involved in more application >development. Until Apple changes its system software distribution policy, >all Mac users are entitled to free upgrades. As I understand it, HyperCard 2.0 >will still be available free for the duplicating, but only through dealers who >provide access for users to do so (which I understand dealers are supposed to >do for all system software updates.) From what I have heard, dealers are ALLOWED to distribute system software updates for free, but are not required to do so. I'd be surprised if any dealer would refuse to let you copy their disks, but who knows. We not only let people copy the system software onto their own disks, we also offer a set of pre-copied System disks for the price of the four blank disks. I had thought that Apple defined HyperCard as "core technology" software, to distinguish it from System software, which I would think should only refer to the operating system itself. I can't think of any reason to call HyperCard part of the operating system. Can anyone at Apple comment on the official status of HyperCard, and whether it is available free to ALL Mac owners, even those who bought their Mac before HyperCard came out? -- Mark H. Anbinder ************************* mha@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu BAKA Computers * ******* ...!batcomputer!memory!mha 200 Pleasant Grove Rd. H: (607) 257-3480 ****** Ithaca, NY 14850 W: (607) 257-2070 ***** Memory Alpha BBS 607-257-5822
Leo.Bores@f14.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Leo Bores) (07/21/90)
In an article of <14 Jul 90 21:46:17 GMT>, bmwu@athena.mit.edu (Benson M. Wu)
writes:
BM>
BM>Apple sucks.
BM>
Somehow I expected more from MIT. Sigh!
Leo Bores, M.D.
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