gross@umiami.miami.edu (JD144) (09/19/90)
I'm curious...
Now, an Amiga 3000 can be had for about $3400...and the AMAX II emulator
for about...$450 (?)
What I wanna know is...if you have this little setup...to which Mac is
it comparable to? Is it as fast as IIci (the A3000 and Iici use the
same 25MHz '030) or is it a little faster than the IIci?
Jes wonderin'... :)
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I personally wouldn't consider it the equal of a ci for the simple reason that the AMAX only gives Mac + (or maybe Mac SE) ROM compatablity. No color QD, etc... Looks more like an accelerated Plus to me. What are the current prices on a Mac + and a 25 Mhz accelerator nowadays? Pat -- +-------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Patrick Hayes | EMail : Patrick.Hayes@cediag.bull.fr | | BULL CEDIAG | or hayes@bull.fr | | 68, Route de Versailles | or ...!mcvax!inria!bullfr!hayes | | F-78430 Louveciennes FRANCE | Tel : (33 1) 39 02 49 55 | +-------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
mjv@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale) (09/20/90)
In article <6956.26f6cc18@umiami.miami.edu> gross@umiami.miami.edu (JD144) writes: > What I wanna know is...if you have this little setup...to which Mac is > it comparable to? Is it as fast as IIci (the A3000 and Iici use the > same 25MHz '030) or is it a little faster than the IIci? Actually its comparable to a Mac Plus with a 25Mhz '030 upgrade. Why? Its because Amax (& Spectre for the Atari) use the 128k roms from a Plus. The IIci uses the 512k roms which contain ColorQuickdraw for instance. Unless conditions really change, Amax and Spectre will be stuck at the Plus level for quite awhile. Marshall --mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
bainbrdk@sage.cc.purdue.edu (David Bainbridge) (09/20/90)
In article <50421@brunix.UUCP> mjv@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale) writes: >> What I wanna know is...if you have this little setup...to which Mac is >> it comparable to? Is it as fast as IIci (the A3000 and Iici use the >> same 25MHz '030) or is it a little faster than the IIci? > >Actually its comparable to a Mac Plus with a 25Mhz '030 upgrade. Why? >Its because Amax (& Spectre for the Atari) use the 128k roms from a Plus. >The IIci uses the 512k roms which contain ColorQuickdraw for instance. >Unless conditions really change, Amax and Spectre will be stuck at the >Plus level for quite awhile. I believe it will be always stuck at the plus level since the newer machines have the ROMS soldered onto the motherboard. Whereas the Plus were placed into a socket easily removeable. Apple must have gotten worried about all those Mac Plus ROM's floating around..
rapickering@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (09/22/90)
In article <6956.26f6cc18@umiami.miami.edu>, gross@umiami.miami.edu (JD144) writes: > I'm curious... > > Now, an Amiga 3000 can be had for about $3400...and the AMAX II emulator > for about...$450 (?) > > What I wanna know is...if you have this little setup...to which Mac is > it comparable to? Is it as fast as IIci (the A3000 and Iici use the > same 25MHz '030) or is it a little faster than the IIci? > And educational prices make the IIci around $3400. Gee, I think I'd rather have a mac. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Rob Pickering internet: pickerin@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu NeXT: pickerin@next4.acs.muohio.edu bitnet : rp1voper@miamiu.bitnet "One time the police stopped me for speeding, and they said,'Hey, don't you know that the speed limit is 55 miles per hour?'. I said,'Yeah, I know...but I wasn't going to be out that long.'" -Steven Wright $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
greg@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) (09/23/90)
In article <2376.26fb33e2@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rapickering@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu imagines:: >In article <6956.26f6cc18@umiami.miami.edu>, gross@umiami.miami.edu (JD144) writes: >> I'm curious... >> >> Now, an Amiga 3000 can be had for about $3400...and the AMAX II emulator >> for about...$450 (?) >> >> What I wanna know is...if you have this little setup...to which Mac is >> it comparable to? Is it as fast as IIci (the A3000 and Iici use the >> same 25MHz '030) or is it a little faster than the IIci? >> Can't say, but I _do_ know that my 7.14Mhz Amiga running Amax is faster than a 7.56Mhz Mac. (Custom chips, guys...) The effect is minimal, and wouldn't probably be significant until you were doing ray-traces or some other major number-crunching. (And why would I do ray-tracing on a Mac anyway? Ever priced Sculpt 3D for both Amiga and Mac?) And then I can still use AmigaDOS instead of the Mac's OS when I don't need Mac compatibility. That's nice, since I can't stand Mac's OS. >And educational prices make the IIci around $3400. Is that including a color graphics board and monitor? Keyboard? Hard drive? The A3000 comes with a keyboard (what a concept!), graphics built in, SCSI on the motherboard, 50MB Quantum HD, 2MB RAM, etc. The educational package with a multisync monitor comes to $3039. >Gee, I think I'd rather have a mac. Thanks, considering that the waiting list for A3000s is getting longer. CBM can't keep up with the DEMAND for them! >Rob Pickering >internet: pickerin@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu NeXT: pickerin@next4.acs.muohio.edu >bitnet : rp1voper@miamiu.bitnet Just what is the price of a Mac IIci with 8-bit graphics, 40-50MB Quantum, KEYBOARD, hi-res color monitor, and at least 2MB of RAM? List and educational, please... Disclaimer: "Who me? Surely you must be mistaken!" _ _ "The lunatic is in the hall. The lunatics are in my hall. AMIGA! //// The paper holds their folded faces to the floor, //// And every day the paperboy brings more." -- Pink Floyd _ _ //// \\\\//// Greg Harp greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu \\XX// Stolen from an idea by es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu [Ethan Solomita]: execute (Saddam_Hussein); oil_prices++;
oleg@crash.cts.com (Oleg Rovner) (09/23/90)
In article <2376.26fb33e2@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rapickering@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes: >In article <6956.26f6cc18@umiami.miami.edu>, gross@umiami.miami.edu (JD144) writes: >> I'm curious... >> >> Now, an Amiga 3000 can be had for about $3400...and the AMAX II emulator >> for about...$450 (?) >> > >And educational prices make the IIci around $3400. > >Gee, I think I'd rather have a mac. > [.sig skipped] Apple Macintosh price list at the UCSD UniversitBookstore (prices for qualified UCSD faculty staff and students only! (as of 9.11.90)) M5737ll/a Macintosh IIci (4Mb, 1 Super Drive, '030 CPU, 25 MHz, built in video) $4,100,00 Prices do not include monitor ($750.00for Apple color) or keyboard ($100. apple standard) TOTAL: $4,950.00<> "around" $3,400.00 So, where can I get a Mac IIci wih the "luxury items" like monitor and keyboard for $3,400.00? OR contents copyright (c) 1990 Oleg Rovner and may not be quoted and/or distributed without permission except by/on USENET and /dev/null ********************************************************************** "Tommy Lasorda may not be a typical SlimFast user" SlimFast disclaimer
ar4@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Piper Keairnes) (09/24/90)
In <4593@crash.cts.com> oleg@crash.cts.com (Oleg Rovner) writes: >Apple Macintosh price list at the UCSD UniversitBookstore (prices for >qualified UCSD faculty staff and students only! (as of 9.11.90)) >M5737ll/a Macintosh IIci (4Mb, 1 Super Drive, '030 CPU, 25 MHz, >built in video) $4,100,00 What makes one University's educational prices different from another? Here at Purdue University, the IIci with 4MB RAM costs $3820. The same setup with an 80MB Quantum drive is $4286. What also upsets me is that these prices are listed as up to date as of September 15th and they exactly match the prices listed as of August 15th. Wasn't there a significant drop in the IIci's price before/on September 15th? When will this be reflected?!? (If ever...) ----- Piper Keairnes ar4@sage.cc.purdue.edu
mrfung@nada.kth.se (Lars-Erik Fredriksson) (09/24/90)
What on earth has this thread got to do with HyperCard? Why don't you take the thing next door to .hardware? I wonder who will continue development on HyperCard at Claris? Does anyone know? Do they know themselves? A big cheer to the HyperCard development team for a great improvement of the program! It is one of the few programs I can work with using chinese and the new ways of creating reportformats gives me possibilities I never had before! Thanks for taking it this far! mrfung PS. How long does it take to add some bluewhite pict.... It just occurred to me that this maby was a cheap way of adding color to the program ;-) I wonder what the about box will look like.....
wilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Mark Wilkins) (09/24/90)
In article <4488@sage.cc.purdue.edu> ar4@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Piper Keairnes) writes: >What makes one University's educational prices different from another? >Here at Purdue University, the IIci with 4MB RAM costs $3820. The same setup >with an 80MB Quantum drive is $4286. I believe it depends entirely on the amount of money the school as a whole spends on Apple products in a given month. There are four categories, and the more a school buys the less they pay. It may be tied to either the number of systems purchased or the number of students, also. I can't really remember. I did once see an academic price list with all four categories listed. >What also upsets me is that these prices are listed as up to date as of >September 15th and they exactly match the prices listed as of August 15th. >Wasn't there a significant drop in the IIci's price before/on September 15th? >When will this be reflected?!? (If ever...) Didn't the IIci price change appear on the August 15th price list? All that appeared on the September 15th price list were some changes of RETAIL for a few items and a little renumbering. Of course, I'm only familiar with the Apple Partner price list and not with the educational list, so things might be different there for some reason. -- Mark Wilkins -- ******* "Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitude!" ********** *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* * Mark R. Wilkins wilkins@jarthur.claremont.edu {uunet}!jarthur!wilkins * ****** MARK.WILKINS on AppleLink ****** MWilkins on America Online ******
jtt@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (James T. Tanis) (09/24/90)
PLEASE move this discussion to comp.sys.mac.misc, or, if you prefer, to /dev/null! -JT
cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) (09/24/90)
In article <4488@sage.cc.purdue.edu> ar4@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Piper Keairnes) writes: >In <4593@crash.cts.com> oleg@crash.cts.com (Oleg Rovner) writes: > >>Apple Macintosh price list at the UCSD UniversitBookstore (prices for >>qualified UCSD faculty staff and students only! (as of 9.11.90)) > >>M5737ll/a Macintosh IIci (4Mb, 1 Super Drive, '030 CPU, 25 MHz, >>built in video) $4,100,00 > >What makes one University's educational prices different from another? >Here at Purdue University, the IIci with 4MB RAM costs $3820. The same setup >with an 80MB Quantum drive is $4286. Wow, those prices are a bit on the steep side. I'm not sure about Columbia's edu. program (last I heard we didn't even have one), but there is a store called Computer Era in New York City which sells a vanilla IIci with 1 meg RAM, and internal floppy for ~$3200. Add in the cost of a few simm modules and a decent multisync and you have about the same (or less?) price as your edu discount. Where is the "discount" if one can go out to a store and buy the machine for the same price? > >What also upsets me is that these prices are listed as up to date as of >September 15th and they exactly match the prices listed as of August 15th. >Wasn't there a significant drop in the IIci's price before/on September 15th? >When will this be reflected?!? (If ever...) Yeah, I don't recall seeing any big differences in pricing either. Maybe the dealers are keeping this as an extra margin??? Anyway, I'm no expert. I'm just judging by the advertisements I read in the New York Times Science edition every Tuesday. >----- >Piper Keairnes >ar4@sage.cc.purdue.edu Cheers, Chris ------------------------------+--------------------------- Chris Mauritz |D{r det finns en |l, finns cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |det en plan! (c)All rights reserved. | Send flames to /dev/null | ------------------------------+---------------------------
mrfung@nada.kth.se (Lars-Erik Fredriksson) (09/25/90)
Please get this out of here!!!!! Who cares about the cost of some
hardware that will be obsolete in a few months anyway ;-)
mrfung
And really!
D{r det finns f|r mycket |l vore det b{ttre om det fanns en plan!
(for those of you that don't dig Swedish the previous poster said:
D{r det finns en |l, finns det en plan
(i.e where there is a beer there is a plan!
And I state (Tia Theresaesque) that:
Where there is too many beer maby it would be better to
have a plan!
Anyhow get this Amiga Mac harwareprize discussion out of here!!!!!!!JEILOLA@MTUS5.BITNET (johndan johnson-eilola) (09/25/90)
This isn't directly related to the pricing, but our university (Michigan Tech) offers Macs at educational discounts that seem about the same as mail order, but they also offer two-year, interest free loans to students and faculty. For me (with an extremely limited, grad student budget) this was a deciding factor. (I bought an SE/30 4/80 with extended keyboard for ~2900.) (I just hit the "Followup" key, so I can't change the subject header here, but it doesn't really seem like the Amiga vs. Mac CI header is very descriptive.) Johndan Johnson-Eilola Michigan Tech U.
jimb@silvlis.com (Jim Budler) (09/26/90)
In article <37507@ut-emx.uucp> greg@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) writes: >The A3000 comes with a keyboard (what a concept!), graphics built in, SCSI The Mac II's come with a *choice* of keyboards (what a concept!) -- Jim Budler jimb@silvlis.com +1.408.991.6115 Silvar-Lisco, Inc. 703 E. Evelyn Ave. Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086
francis@arthur.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) (10/05/90)
In article <37507@ut-emx.uucp> greg@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) writes: [...] >And then I can still use AmigaDOS instead of the Mac's OS when I don't >need Mac compatibility. That's nice, since I can't stand Mac's OS. Heretic! Heretic! (HHOK) | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | A mathematician is a professional | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | schizophrenic.--Me. |