marvel@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Howard P. Marvel) (01/15/88)
Please help out a novice user. I have had my Mac SE for less than a week. (Thank you, Apple) I insert the HyperCard startup disk in the lower drive, turn the machine on, click the address stack icon, and attempt to follow the instructions in the HyperCard manual. When I select the Sort button, I get the spinning ball, followed by a dialog box that says ``Unexpected Error 387623.'' I click OK and am dumped back to the home card. Can anyone point me to the appropriate documentation for such an error? For that matter, what's the difference between an unexpected error and an expected error? I must say that the Hypercard documentation as well as the documentation I received with the SE is rather sparse. I bought the Goodman book, but find it to be the computer equivalent of Sidney Sheldon. Trees died for this? Perhaps I have been spoiled by exposure to much better documentation in my other computer realms, especially my experience in learning emacs and TeX/LaTeX. Perhaps there is a decent reference with a useful index that I have not seen yet. But so far, I've had a good bit of frustration with the Mac world and with HyperCard. Documentation pointers would be appreciated. Yes, I know about APDA and am attempting to join, but they will not take an order for membership and the HyperTalk manual over the phone, for reasons the phone contact did not see fit to explain. Thanks in advance for assistance. Howard P. Marvel Professor of Economics Ohio State University hmarvel@osuecn.uucp marvel@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu marvel@pyramid.math.ohio-state.edu
marvel@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Howard P. Marvel) (06/17/88)
Could someone explain the following to me? I am working on a short and simple stack. I want to delete a card. After selecting delete card from the edit menu, I get a dialog box that says unexpected error 54321 and a SORRY button. Pressing the button exits hypercard. I have two questions and a comment. 1. What is wrong and how do I fix it? 2. Where are such bizarre and uninformative error messages documented? I tried hypercard some time ago, but gave up in response to similar strange messages. I would really like to write some instructional stuff on the Mac, but the various packages I have tried are all buggy. I really wonder about the Mac as the computer for the rest of us as it makes me nostalgic for JCL. I thought nothing in the world could do that, but at least you really follow Casey Stengel's advice and look it up. Help.
dan@Apple.COM (Dan Allen) (06/22/88)
In article <15799@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> marvel@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Howard P. Marvel) writes: > >Could someone explain the following to me? I am working on a short >and simple stack. I want to delete a card. After selecting delete >card from the edit menu, I get a dialog box that says unexpected error >54321 and a SORRY button. Pressing the button exits hypercard. I >have two questions and a comment. > >1. What is wrong and how do I fix it? >2. Where are such bizarre and uninformative error messages >documented? Your particular problem is that a deleted card is still listed in HyperCard's internal card list. How do I know this you ask? Well, I just searched the HyperCard sources. Unfortunately, such BOMBs are not documented. They are supposed to never occur. It sounds like your stack got trashed. Which version of HyperCard are you using? Is it a big stack? Lots of cards? There were several major problems with large stacks in the initial release 1.01 of HyperCard that have been fixed in 1.1 and in 1.2. You should be using HC 1.2. Dan Allen HyperCard Engineer
ron@oscvax.UUCP (Ron Janzen) (06/23/88)
In article <12601@apple.Apple.COM> dan@apple.apple.com.UUCP (Dan Allen) writes: >In article <15799@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> marvel@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Howard P. Marvel) writes: >> >>Could someone explain the following to me? I am working on a short >>and simple stack. I want to delete a card. After selecting delete >>card from the edit menu, I get a dialog box that says unexpected error >>54321 and a SORRY button. Pressing the button exits hypercard. I >>have two questions and a comment. >> >>1. What is wrong and how do I fix it? >>2. Where are such bizarre and uninformative error messages >>documented? > >Your particular problem is that a deleted card is still listed in >HyperCard's internal card list. How do I know this you ask? Well, I >just searched the HyperCard sources. Unfortunately, such BOMBs are not >documented. They are supposed to never occur. I just got this particular error yesterday. What I finally discovered was that the card that I was trying to delete did some stuff on a closeCard that didn't make sense if the card was being deleted. I can't remember exactly what it was anymore. Anyways I managed to finally delete the card by getting rid of the closecard handler first and then deleting the card. This didn't cause the 54321 error and the stack was still OK. Maybe Howard should check what is happening on a closecard for that card and nullify it before trying to delete the card. Just a little suggestion before you give up the stack as being hopelessly corrupted. -- Ron Janzen Ontario Science Centre, Toronto ...!{allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!oscvax!ron
steve@hpiacla.HP.COM (Steve Witten) (06/24/88)
I complained about this very problem some time ago. The response was that
if you try to delete a card in a stack that has an openCard handler, this
bug will surface.
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"...I feel in touch with the modern world!..." --J. Richmangwowen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (George Owen) (01/09/91)
... does anyone know what "Unexpected Error 5455" means ?
I have a stack that just got corrupted & gave me this error.
Fortunately all the cards are accessable except 2. Unfortunately it
crashes & bounces me out whenever it hits those cards when
browsing/printing/searching.
Ugh !
- G-
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