[comp.society.futures] Relevancy and Literacy

setliff@ficc.uu.net (james setliff) (01/14/89)

I've been puzzled by some of Barry's mudslinging at Jeff Daiell,
and would like to make some comments.  Keep in mind, please, that
I am *not* a libertarian! -- so this is not a case of my
ideological ox being gored.

(1) Illiteracy.  I know for a fact that Jeff has been published
in a pretty wide array of periodicals.  Calling him illiterate
gets much more mud on Barry than on Jeff.

(2) Irrelevance.  Uncle Sam subsidizes the nuclear power
industry, and protects it against potential financial collapse
via the Price-Anderson Act, which limits a utility company's
liability in case of calamity.  This might be good or 
bad -- but can anyone dispute that the industry 
is different than it would be otherwise --
and that therefore, the question of whether Washington should be
taking such steps is indeed relevant?  In fact, one might argue
that the discussion has not gone far enough: besides just
asking about the future of a computer *network*, what about
the different paths computer *technology* might take, depending
on whether the industry is regulated and to what extent?  Can
anyone, regardless of whether s/he is pro-regulation or
anti-regulation, deny that automobile technology is different
today than it would have been had Congress not intervened in
certain matters several years ago?

For instance, let's say Congress banned imports of computer
hardware and software.  Wouldn't that reduction in competition
perhaps slow innovation among U. S. companies?  That's
certainly a TECHNICAL matter.  And wouldn't it raise the
prices of such material, perhaps taking it out of the range of
some persons?  That would be a *social* consequence -- and
the middle name of this group is, indeed, "society".  Again,
you might think these results good, or you might think them
bad ... but irrelevant?  No way.

(3) I'm also surprised that Barry singled Jeff out, when Jeff
didn't start the discussion in the first place.  And that his
attacks on Jeff have been so harsh.  I see some possibilities
here:

(a) That, rather than being ideological, Barry has something
against  Jeff personally.  Jeff, did you steal Barry's girlfriend
at some point in the past?  If so, tell me, and I'll *never* 
let you talk with my wife!  (Jeff agrees with me that Peggy
is both pretty and sweet, so Barry, warn me *now*, please,
if I need to worry!)

(b) Or are you just hostile toward libertarians, so much that
you assign that term to anyone you disagree with, like the
rightwingers called everyone else Communists in the 50s and 
early 60s, and the leftwingers called everyone else Fascists
in the late 60s and early 70s?  And if so, why?  While I
don't subscribe to the libertarian philosophy, they're
certainly not hostile to "truth, justice, and the American
way".  Or is *that* why you -- no, no, musn't think that way!
So: is it,

(i) When you were a [chronological] baby, you had a nurse who
was a libertarian, and she accidentally dropped you on your head,
and you've been angry at them all ever since?

(ii) Some of your income derives from some level of government,
and you're afraid the libertarians will cut you off from the
trough?

Regardless of the reason, I think Barry's bayings against
Jeff have been both off-target and excessively feral.  After
all, Jeff hasn't been burying Barry with his puns the way
he inundates his co-workers with them --- and for *that*,
Barry, you should be thrilled, rather than upset (believe
me, I KNOW!!).


James Setliff