hooner@athena.mit.edu (Hoon Ko) (02/12/88)
Just to clarify MY position, since this all started as a response to an article I posted: 1. I am NOT sexist. I don't think there's automatically/necessarily any link between being gross and having sex appeal. 2. *I* don't call people gross. I was just quoting one of the friends I went with. 3. I *LOVED* Broadcast News, thought it was one of the best movies I'd ever seen. That was pretty clear in the original posting- I had no idea why anyone wouldn't like the movie, and so I posted the reasons why my friends didn't, thinking maybe someone out there agreed with them, maybe for those reasons, and could explain to me what I couldn't understand from my friends. 4. Thanks to Mike P and Joe irregardless for clarifying my point- Eric Townsend didn't read the article closely enough. It was pretty clear that I didn't agree whatsoever with those three points- I'll forward email to you, Eric, if you want- all the people who sent me email about my posting tried to explain why they *DIDN'T* like the movie. 5. I don't think Joe was really that out of line. 6. If you have different standards and think that he was, don't judge MIT by Joe. In fact, I don't think you should correlate the school he's from with his comments. He doesn't work for MIT administration after all. 7. Re Eric's posting about the movie revolving around ethics and not sex appeal: the movie tried to show how in the intense pressure of broadcast news, strong feelings of comradery from getting the news out on time etc can be confused for love and passion. Hence someone like Holly Hunter who is so incredible behind the editing and the producing would be very respected and by some confused coworkers would be wanted because they confused such respect with romance. 8. ONE MORE TIME: I LOVED BROADCAST NEWS, I LOVED HOLLY HUNTER, THOUGHT SHE WAS VERY APPEALING IN THE MOVIE, TOTALLY RELATED TO HER CHARACTER. I think that does it ... oh, some other stuff: My name is Hoon , my last name is Ko, and I really don't think it's relevant, Eric. Just call me hooner. Mitchell Lerner was just as out of line as Joe was, yet I see no flames for his similar comments. -Hoon Ko hooner@athena.mit.edu
erict@flatline.UUCP (eric townsend) (02/19/88)
In article <2912@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, hooner@athena.mit.edu (Hoon Ko) writes: > 1. I am NOT sexist. I don't think there's automatically/necessarily > any link between being gross and having sex appeal. I'm sorry if I implied that *you* were sexist. I did not mean to do so. > 4. Thanks to Mike P and Joe irregardless for clarifying my point- > Eric Townsend didn't read the article closely enough. It was No, I didn't. I took the "and" to mean "and therefore". I understood that it was a friend of yours that you were posting about. > pretty clear that I didn't agree whatsoever with those three > points- I'll forward email to you, Eric, if you want- all the > people who sent me email about my posting tried to explain why > they *DIDN'T* like the movie. > 5. I don't think Joe was really that out of line. Obviously, I did. :-) > 6. If you have different standards and think that he was, > don't judge MIT by Joe. In fact, I don't think you should > correlate the school he's from with his comments. He doesn't > work for MIT administration after all. No he doesn't, and I shouldn't let his views reflect heavily upon my opinions of MIT. I have this fantasy that the better the school you attend, the better (and more rounded) your education is -- all this yielding a tolerant, understanding person. (Something I'm not at times also...) > 7. Re Eric's posting about the movie revolving around ethics and > not sex appeal: the movie tried to show how in the intense > pressure of broadcast news, strong feelings of comradery > from getting the news out on time etc can be confused for > love and passion. Hence someone like Holly Hunter who > is so incredible behind the editing and the producing > would be very respected and by some confused coworkers > would be wanted because they confused such respect with > romance. My opinions on the movie are somewhat biased by my self-proclaimed profession and area of study: journalism. Personally, I don't think much about 'sex-appeal' when I look at a person, or think about them. So when somebody else *does* look at sex-appeal, I tend to overreact and assume that's all that that person sees in people. (I'm learning to be tolerant of people that aren't tolerant... :-) ) > My name is Hoon , my last name is Ko, and I really don't think > it's relevant, Eric. Just call me hooner. I doubt its relevancy, but I was curious. I like it when people call me what I like being called, and I try to return the favor. :-) > Mitchell Lerner was just as out of line as Joe was, yet I see > no flames for his similar comments. I probably missed Mitchell Lerner's post -- therefore I can't comment on this last > > -Hoon Ko > hooner@athena.mit.edu A few added comments: Again, I wasn't trying to degrade or attack hooner's friend. I feel that the problem is not just with attitudes, but with the parts of our society that promote those attitudes. We haved shoved down our collective electronic throat the idea that if we aren't beautiful, thin and perfect; then we are worthless. I don't like this concept of 'beautiful is better'. I don't feel that using only pretty-cloned-from-the-same-person models as actors in movies helps this at all. When Hurt decied to use Hunter (a brilliant decision, in my opinion) he took a small step from the current trend. I'm not an introverted computer geek, a whiney-sensitive-foo-foo-haircut -wearing new age trendy, or any other type of stereotype. I am me. One of a kind, as we all are. Having role-models in movies that are not mindless, cloned sterotypes is a start towards ending this type of judgemental classification. I'd like to think that other people feel the same way, and are tired of being categorized because of surface appearances. Btw: others go to great lenghts the *other* direction. Take a look at some of what John Waters produces... (He's got a new one coming out, also.) Oh well, this lecture is over. :-). Anybody interested in starting a media and mass culture related newsgroup? -- Just say NO to skate harassment. | Just another journalist with too much If I wish really hard, will IBM go away forever? | computing power.. Girls play with toys. Real women skate. -- Powell Peralta ad J. Eric Townsend ->uunet!nuchat!flatline!erict smail:511Parker#2,Hstn,Tx,77007