hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Marshall) (03/25/89)
I believe I have determined that you can't use /usr/bin/mail11v3 without
using DEC's sendmail. At least I have determined that my sendmail.cf file
bombs out trying to do an mx lookup on host::host using sendmail 5.61 and
works fine using the sendmail executable delivered with ULTRIX. Same with
DEC's sendmail.cf - works fine with their executable, but bombs using
5.61.
I would assume this means anyone who was using MMDF or any other mail
routing program is SCREWED.
To make matters worse, DEC has absolutely broken the mail11-daemon that
is part of DECnet/ULTRIX... it used to deliver DECnet/Internet addresses
to the DECnet/Internet host looking like gateway::user@place
now the addresses look like gateway::"user@place"
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Try getting sendmail to parse a quoted string! ---------+
Maybe I should send DEC a copy of rfc822 :-).
ULTRIX has the potential to be such a good thing... at this moment though,
I think ULTRIX is the pits.
-Mike Marshall hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu ...!hubcap!hubcapbarnett@crdgw1.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) (03/30/89)
In article <4899@hubcap.clemson.edu>, hubcap@hubcap (Mike Marshall) writes: >I believe I have determined that you can't use /usr/bin/mail11v3 without >using DEC's sendmail. Therer are some special flags that are undocumented that DEC has added. Look closely at the options to the TCP mailers and the headers. >To make matters worse, DEC has absolutely broken the mail11-daemon that >is part of DECnet/ULTRIX... it used to deliver DECnet/Internet addresses >to the DECnet/Internet host looking like gateway::user@place > now the addresses look like gateway::"user@place" > | >Try getting sendmail to parse a quoted string! ---------+ I tried to add the double quote character to the operator list, and Ultrix sendmail didn't even look at it. If I could have quotes, I could modify sendmail.cf to fix it myself. I think we are using the old version of mail11. The sendmail file we got with 3.0 was garbage. I had to trash 90% of it. Sun provides 2 or 3 sendmail.cf files. AT least they understand that not all systems are the same. Dec tried to put every option in one file, and it is really too much. I also don't know why they didn't convert an address like abc::address into something close to RFC822, i.e. <@abc.decnet>:address Also, if you have an error like R$+ $@$2 you don't get the error until you execute the ruleset. SunOS sendmail reports the error when it starts up. My test suite didn't note this because the error was going to stdout, and I didn't see the error when I installed it. Did anyone get any documentation with the 3.0 sendmail? There are a lot of differences, which I had to figure out by reverse engineering. I am not impressed. -- Bruce G. Barnett <barnett@crdgw1.ge.com> a.k.a. <barnett@[192.35.44.4]> uunet!steinmetz!barnett, <barnett@steinmetz.ge.com>
avolio@decuac.dec.com (Frederick M. Avolio) (03/30/89)
Well, I strongly disagree with your statement that the sendmail.cf file with 3.0 is garbage. Not because I am a "Digit" but because I run/manage/beat/cuddle a 3-way network mail gateway (UUCP/Internet/EasyNet). Did I use the sendmail.cf file as shipped? No, I did have to change it. Somethings in the sendmail.cf file are done in ways *I* could not do them. But the commenting in this file is so extensive that I believe it to be a pretty good guide for changing this file. In addition, there are 3 other example config files in /usr/src/usr.lib/sendmail/cf (in the binary distribution). I'd be interested in hearing from you -- perhaps by e-mail -- what differences you found in the sendmail with 3.0 that needed to be documented. (The H flag used by the mail11 program is one that I know about and that fact that mail11 didn't want the user names on thge command line anymore. *I* wish that was documented too!) Aside from that, your comments and suggestions on how sendmail should look, what works, what doesn't, etc. in your environment -- in as much details as you can give -- would be very beneficial to ULTRIX Engineering. Please send in an SPR on it or at least spell it out via e-mail or in this news group. Finally, I'd be happy to send you the sendmail.cf that Decuac uses. You can see the changes I made to the standard sendmail.cf. DISCLAIMER: You know this but... I am not speaking officially, only as a user of ULTRIX. I don't work for ULTRIX Engineering. I don't engineer Sendmail, I merely wrestle with it and sometimes teach about it.
bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) (03/31/89)
From article <4899@hubcap.clemson.edu>, by hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Marshall): > I believe I have determined that you can't use /usr/bin/mail11v3 without > using DEC's sendmail. At least I have determined that my sendmail.cf file > bombs out trying to do an mx lookup on host::host using sendmail 5.61 and > works fine using the sendmail executable delivered with ULTRIX. Same with > DEC's sendmail.cf - works fine with their executable, but bombs using > 5.61. sendmail doesn't try the name server unless your sendmail.cf tells it to, right? (i.e., via $[..$]) Are you telling it to ask the name server, if the address looks like a::b, and if so, why? Paul DuBois dubois@primate.wisc.edu rhesus!dubois bin@primate.wisc.edu rhesus!bin
avolio@decuac.dec.com (Frederick M. Avolio) (03/31/89)
In article <174@indri.primate.wisc.edu>, bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) writes: > sendmail doesn't try the name server unless your sendmail.cf tells it to, > right? (i.e., via $[..$]) Are you telling it to ask the name server, if > the address looks like a::b, and if so, why? > > Paul DuBois > dubois@primate.wisc.edu rhesus!dubois > bin@primate.wisc.edu rhesus!bin Hi Paul! Sendmail will explicitly insert whatis returned from a nameserver query when you have thje $[address$] ion your RHS transformation in the config file. You do not need to do this and usually only want to if you want to do soemthing special with what is returned (in other words if you care about it). Otherwise, if you leave this out, it still uses the name server when it tries to mail it. In fact it uses it again even if you do explicitly call it in the rules as above. It asks for an mx record from the network if you have bind in your svcorder file. Fred