[comp.unix.ultrix] More at DECsystem 5800's

grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) (07/27/89)

Well, the new System and Options guide is out, contact your friendly
DEC sales office for a copy.  It lists all the new VAX and Risc based
stuff announced to date.

There are some changes from what has been reported previously:

The 5810/20 come in two pre-configured flavors.  One includes RA70
drives mounted in the CPU cabinet, the other includes bundled RA90
drives, in a separate cabinet.

The SA70 subsystem is also available for the VAX 6000 series, though
perhaps not part of any preconfigured system.  This is *not* the new
high-end multiple RA70's acting like a big, fast disk, rather it's
just a (1 or 2) mountings for sets of (1 to 4)  each regular SA70's
connected thru (1 or 2) KBD50's.  It may still make sense where you
want to minimize drive contention on "system" disks.

The 5800 systems are configured with a single BI bus driving a new
11 slot BI cage in the main cabinet, rather than the traditional pair
of 5 slot cages.  I wish the latter was available as an option, but
they do get the mega-mips 5800's prices at the 6200 levels, so I
should complain?

The rehashed 6200 a.k.a 6000 model 210 (more IBM'isms?) is now
configured with only one 5 slot BI cage and a TK70 tape drive.

The 5400 series looks very nice and is an obvious upgrade for anybody
running Micro-VAX or 725/730/750/8200/8300 systems.  Its more powerful
than any of the higher end VAX/Ultrix systems in the CPU department,
but there are real I/O configuration / Memory limits, not to mention
ego adjustment problems in trying to replace a "real VAX" with a
Q-bus/DSSI based "micro".

No information about the new 32-port econo DECserver 300 here, must
be a network product or something.  Rumor has is that it's DEC423
only, so it's probably just a hyped up 200 in the same box.  I don't
have any use for DEC423, but maybe it'll make used DS200's real cheap.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,	uucp: {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing	arpa: cbmvax!grr@uunet.uu.net
Commodore, Engineering Department	fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)

gentile@horsey.dec.com (Sam Gentile) (07/27/89)

In article <7457@cbmvax.UUCP>, grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) writes...
>Well, the new System and Options guide is out, contact your friendly
>DEC sales office for a copy.  It lists all the new VAX and Risc based
>stuff announced to date.
> 
>No information about the new 32-port econo DECserver 300 here, must
>be a network product or something.  Rumor has is that it's DEC423
>only, so it's probably just a hyped up 200 in the same box.  I don't
>have any use for DEC423, but maybe it'll make used DS200's real cheap.
> 
The DECserver 300 provides a method to connect up to 16 asynchronous devices
such as terminals, serial printers and PCs, to one or more nodes (hosts)
on the Ethernet. The DECserver 300 uses 16 integral MMJs ( Modified Modular
Jacks with 6-wires) as the physical serial device interface. The MMJ is a 
modified version of the standard Western Electric modular phone plug
connection.
	The DECsu!erver 300 uses EIA-423 signalling, which is compatible
with DECconnect and EIA-232-D devices and supports DTR/DSR flow control and
power detection signals for local connections.
	Its features include:
* Twice the line density of the DEcserver 200 - 16 lines in the same size
						enclosure
* Twice the performance of the DECserver 200 - 16 lines operate simultaneously
						@19,200 bps
* ThinWire & Standard Ethernet Inerface
* EIA-232 & EIA-423 signalling compatible 

scs@itivax.iti.org (Steve C. Simmons) (07/27/89)

grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) writes:

>The 5800 systems are configured with a single BI bus driving a new
>11 slot BI cage in the main cabinet, rather than the traditional pair
>of 5 slot cages.  I wish the latter was available as an option, but
>they do get the mega-mips 5800's prices at the 6200 levels, so I
>should complain?

Sure, complain.  :-)

Actually the second bus is available as an option -- it was on our
quote, so it durned well better be!
-- 
Steve Simmons		          scs@vax3.iti.org
Industrial Technology Institute     Ann Arbor, MI.
"Velveeta -- the Spam of Cheeses!" -- Uncle Bonsai

grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) (07/28/89)

In article <2409@itivax.iti.org> scs@itivax.iti.org (Steve C. Simmons) writes:
> grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) writes:
> 
> >The 5800 systems are configured with a single BI bus driving a new
> >11 slot BI cage in the main cabinet, rather than the traditional pair
> >of 5 slot cages.  I wish the latter was available as an option, but
> >they do get the mega-mips 5800's prices at the 6200 levels, so I
> >should complain?
> 
> Sure, complain.  :-)
> 
> Actually the second bus is available as an option -- it was on our
> quote, so it durned well better be!

Well, you can get a bunch more of them, but the 2'nd one costs you
a BI expansion cabinet which you're unlikely to ever come close to
filling.

Ten or Eleven BI slots seems like about the right number, a server/
timeshareing system isn't often going to need more, assuming terminal
servers and high density disk subsystems.  I'd sure like to split up
the bus though, without having to double the CPU footprint...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,	uucp: {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing	arpa: cbmvax!grr@uunet.uu.net
Commodore, Engineering Department	fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)

mitch@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mitch Collinsworth) (07/28/89)

In article <3799@shlump.nac.dec.com> gentile@horsey.dec.com (Sam Gentile) writes:
>The DECserver 300 provides ...
>The DECserver 300 uses ...
>	The DECsu!erver 300 uses ...
>	Its features include:
>* ...

But Sam.  When, oh when, are we going to see a DECserver than will do
Telnet as well as LAT?  Can't the code for this be shoehorned into the
200 and/or 300?

-Mitch Collinsworth
 mitch@squid.tn.cornell.edu