rcpt@eutrc4.urc.tue.nl (Piet Tutelaers) (12/14/89)
DEC has announced X11 terminals. Can somebody answer some of my following questions? a) When will these X11 terminals become available? b) At what price range? c) I have heard rumours that this terminal is a NCD with DECnet. Does somebody know more about this rumours. When does NCD come with DECnet? d) Any other information regarding this X11 terminal is welcome! Thanks, Piet ------------------------------------------------------------------ uucp: rcpt@urc.tue.nl | Piet Tutelaers Room RC 1.82 bitnet: rcpt@heithe5.BITNET | Eindhoven University of Technology phone: +31 (0)40 474541 | P.O. Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, NL
bhj@bhjat.UUCP (Burt Janz) (12/17/89)
From article <1330@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl>, by rcpt@eutrc4.urc.tue.nl (Piet Tutelaers): > > DEC has announced X11 terminals. Can somebody answer some of my following > questions? > a) When will these X11 terminals become available? Well, first things first. I'm a contractor working on the DEC VT1000 (that's the official name) terminal. I don't know if it's been formally announced, so I'll keep my comments brief and non-technical (I don't want to lose my job!). The first model (monochrome) should be available in late January, early February. Unlike HP, which announced before ready to ship, DEC didn't announce formally yet. But, when they do, it'll be available immediately. I have even heard rumors that over 5000 terminals have already been ordered. The beta units we've been using are better than most other companies' final release units. I have no particular bias towards DEC, but THIS time, they did it right. > b) At what price range? I understand that $3k is about right. BUT, DEC intends to sell through third party channels, so you may see a "street price" on this guy. If so, the price will be lower than the other terminals. > c) I have heard rumours that this terminal is a NCD with DECnet. > Does somebody know more about this rumours. When does NCD come with > DECnet? Absolutely incorrect. The DEC DWT (that's the internal name) is NOT an NCD. DEC developed the terminal from the ground up, both hardware and software. It will provide slightly lower performance than the NCD, but will shame the NCD in several areas (see below). I expect that the VT1000 will sell quite well... for that matter I want one! (and I'm the guy that recommends AGAINST buying the low end DEC cpus!) > d) Any other information regarding this X11 terminal is welcome! > The VT100 will have a built-in terminal and window manager, and will have a built-in video terminal emulator (both of which can be overridden by remote clients). It will run (actually, it DOES run) DECNet and TCP/IP, doing both LAT and TELNET connections. We have brought up both DECWindows and Motif as remote window managers on this guy, and get quite respectable performance. That's where the VT1000 shines over the NCD: local clients which come up as soon as you turn on the power. The internal VTE (video terminal emulator) does VT300/100/52 emulation, and can be opened up via TCP/IP, LAT, or serial line to any host running any of these protocols. We've had simultaneous windows open to VMS and ULTRIX via combinations of DECNet, TCP/IP, and serial, so I've seen it work. The initial machine comes with enough memory to do useful work, 'tho I'd recommend boosting memory IMMEDIATELY. In short, this is a complete X server WITH clients. Plug-n-play into your network, whether or NOT you have an X host available. Sorry if I sound like an advertisement, but, like I said, THIS time, DEC did something right. Very right. > Thanks, Piet > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > uucp: rcpt@urc.tue.nl | Piet Tutelaers Room RC 1.82 > bitnet: rcpt@heithe5.BITNET | Eindhoven University of Technology > phone: +31 (0)40 474541 | P.O. Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, NL You're welcome. Burt Janz ..decvax!bhjat!bhj
jae@c-art.UUCP (Yukon Kid) (12/18/89)
In article <1330@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl> rcpt@eutrc4.urc.tue.nl (Piet Tutelaers) writes: > >DEC has announced X11 terminals. Can somebody answer some of my following >questions? >a) When will these X11 terminals become available? >b) At what price range? Dunno. >c) I have heard rumours that this terminal is a NCD with DECnet. > Does somebody know more about this rumours. When does NCD come with > DECnet? The DEC product is DEC's, not NCD's. NCD X Terminals work with DECwindows (X11), and DECnet (using NCDnet), right now. -john John Eadie Computing Art Inc (416) 536-9951 e-mail: jeadie@Sun.COM | jae@c-art.UUCP | {uunet,suncan}!c-art!jae `these deepest problems are in fact *not* problems at all.' - Wittgenstein
mrj@lupine.UUCP (Mike Jordan) (12/20/89)
In article <356@bhjat.UUCP> bhj@bhjat.UUCP (Burt Janz) writes: >The VT100 will have a built-in terminal and window manager, and will have a >built-in video terminal emulator (both of which can be overridden by remote >clients). It will run (actually, it DOES run) DECNet and TCP/IP, doing both >LAT and TELNET connections. We have brought up both DECWindows and Motif as >remote window managers on this guy, and get quite respectable performance. >That's where the VT1000 shines over the NCD: local clients which come up as >soon as you turn on the power. The next release of the NCD16 and NCD19 servers have local clients as well. This release, called 2.1, is currently in beta test. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael R. Jordan Network Computing Devices, Inc. 350 North Bernardo Avenue mrj@ncd.com Mountain View, CA 94043 uunet!lupine!mrj 415-694-0650