iglesias@orion.oac.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias) (07/05/90)
In article <JV.90Jul5104140@squirrel.mh.nl> Johan Vromans <jv@mh.nl> writes: >Can X11R4 and DECwindows 2.2 co-exist? > >I like to bring up X11R4, but I hesitate to clobber DEC's X-servers. I >have reason to believe that the DECwindows programs will not cooperate >with the standard R4 servers, and I don't know if X4 programs will >cooperate with the DEC X-servers. > >Any clues? Experiences? I've run both the DEC server and X11R[3,4] clients, and the X11R4 server and DEC clients with no real problems. To run the DEC clients with the R4 server, you need the fonts.alias file that DEC posted to comp.windows.x a while back - it maps the DEC font names into X11R4 fonts. I've put a copy at the end of this message. Note that any clients that don't follow the rules (like dxcalendar) may not work with the R4 server, since it is pickier about the info that is passed to it from the clients. And R4 clients that use the SHAPE extension won't work with the DEC server, since it doesn't support it. I guess the bottom line is that it should work most of the time. Mike Iglesias University of California, Irvine Internet: iglesias@orion.oac.uci.edu BITNET: iglesias@uci uucp: ...!ucbvax!ucivax!iglesias Article 18140 of comp.windows.x: Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!uci-ics!jarthur!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!sun-barr!decwrl!star.enet.dec.com!vatne From: vatne@star.enet.dec.com Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Subject: Using Digital applications with other vendors' X servers Message-ID: <9003302233.AA02240@decwrl.dec.com> Date: 30 Mar 90 22:34:10 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 276 Many Digital applications have problems when used with other vendors' X servers. These problems usually happen when the application needs a font that the server does not have. The problems can be solved by directing the server to use alternate fonts. This is done on the server's node through a fonts.alias file. The end of this message contains an example fonts.alias file that can be used with any MIT-based X server. If you already have a fonts.alias file, then you should append this to your existing fonts.alias file. The fonts.alias file works by mapping fonts used by Digital's applications to fonts supplied on the MIT X11 R4 tape. Therefore, the following font families must already be installed on the server's node for this to work: 1. Courier 2. Helvetica 3. New Century Schoolbook 4. Symbol 5. Terminal 6. Times In addition, the cursor, DECW$CURSOR, DECW$SESSION, and Fixed fonts must be installed from the MIT tape. If you have any questions, please send mail to "vatne@star.dec.com", as I am not a regular reader of comp.windows.x. 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jv@mh.nl (Johan Vromans) (07/05/90)
Can X11R4 and DECwindows 2.2 co-exist? I like to bring up X11R4, but I hesitate to clobber DEC's X-servers. I have reason to believe that the DECwindows programs will not cooperate with the standard R4 servers, and I don't know if X4 programs will cooperate with the DEC X-servers. Any clues? Experiences? Johan -- Johan Vromans jv@mh.nl via internet backbones Multihouse Automatisering bv uucp: ..!{uunet,hp4nl}!mh.nl!jv Doesburgweg 7, 2803 PL Gouda, The Netherlands phone/fax: +31 1820 62911/62500 ------------------------ "Arms are made for hugging" -------------------------
mellon@fenris.pa.dec.com (Ted Lemon) (07/07/90)
The R4 programs seem to work fairly well on UWS2.2. Of course, you don't get the SHAPES extension, but I'm not real fond of it anyway - your milage may vary. Also, xmh seems to have a problem getting the meta key which I haven't researched yet. You won't be able to use dxpsview or dxcalendar with an R4 server - dxpsview because the Display PostScript [TM] extension is missing, and dxcalendar because of a bug that's fixed in the current bits, but wasn't known when UWS2.2 was shipped. _MelloN_
vaf@Valinor.Stanford.EDU (Vince Fuller) (07/07/90)
In article <MELLON.90Jul6125059@fenris.pa.dec.com>, mellon@fenris.pa.dec.com (Ted Lemon) writes: |> |> You won't be able to use dxpsview or dxcalendar with an R4 server - |> dxpsview because the Display PostScript [TM] extension is missing, and |> dxcalendar because of a bug that's fixed in the current bits, but |> wasn't known when UWS2.2 was shipped. Hmm. It's news to me that dxpsview doesn't work with the R4 server - I'm using that combination of software as I type this note. Dxcalendar also seems to work for me, though that may be because I'm running the UWS 2.1 version rather than the 2.2 one... --Vince
mellon@fenris.pa.dec.com (Ted Lemon) (07/10/90)
>Hmm. It's news to me that dxpsview doesn't work with the R4 server - I'm using >that combination of software as I type this note. Dxcalendar also seems to work >for me, though that may be because I'm running the UWS 2.1 version rather than >the 2.2 one... That's correct. Display PostScript first shipped with UWS 2.2. _MelloN_
ttl@sti.fi (Timo Lehtinen) (07/18/90)
In article <10335@lindy.Stanford.EDU> vaf@Valinor.Stanford.EDU (Vince Fuller) writes: >In article <MELLON.90Jul6125059@fenris.pa.dec.com>, >mellon@fenris.pa.dec.com (Ted Lemon) writes: >|> >|> You won't be able to use dxpsview or dxcalendar with an R4 server - >|> dxpsview because the Display PostScript [TM] extension is missing, and >|> dxcalendar because of a bug that's fixed in the current bits, but >|> wasn't known when UWS2.2 was shipped. > >Hmm. It's news to me that dxpsview doesn't work with the R4 server - I'm using >that combination of software as I type this note. Dxcalendar also seems to work >for me, though that may be because I'm running the UWS 2.1 version rather than >the 2.2 one... > > --Vince The UWS 2.1 and UWS 2.2 dxpsview's are different in that the UWS 2.1 version has a PostScript interpreter inbuilt while the UWS 2.2 version uses the DPS extension in the server. My guess is that you're also running 2.1 version of dxpsview. ttl -- Timo Lehtinen Internet: ttl@sti.fi Stream Technologies Inc. X.400: C=fi,A=fumail,P=inet,O=sti Kivihaantie 8 C 25 Phone: +358-0-573161 SF-00310 HELSINKI +358-49-424012