n8443916@unicorn.WWU.EDU (John Gossman) (08/27/90)
I am soliciting facts and opinions about the status of MOTIF on Ultrix. DEC has publicly announced support of MOTIF and even that it will replace/integrate DECWindows with MOTIF. DECWins shows considerable thought and investment on DEC's part. Are they going to "junk" it for the apparently market required MOTIF? Is MOTIF even binary license available on the RISC line of workstations? Anyone is welcome to reply, publicly or privately. I would appreciate input from DEC reps, engineers, end-users, OSF reps, OSF bashers--facts or opinions. --John Gossman SoftSource Inc. / My company stands behind my opinions, but only in private /
mf@ircam.ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut) (08/27/90)
When I enquired in this newsgroup in Febr. about Motif becoming available end of 1st quarter '90 according to local DEC sources (let's see, this must be now the 3rd quarter or so), the following reply was posted: Digital has an excellent X11 Environment XUI). To strengthen it's commitment to the OSF, DEC intends to migrate to a MOTIF based environment over time. To avoid causing problems for it's existing installed base, this migration will not happen in one major release. Motif is available under a beta test type agreement to software vendors. Those that need it now, have access to it. THose that don't need it now, will get it in the near future. Peter Quodling Internet: quodling@blumon.enet.dec.com Digital Equipment Corporation UUCP: ...!decwrl!blumon.enet!quodling Nashua, NH. I disclaim everying!!! I particularly like the "over time". "Over time" we have had for several months a 5820 that runs just one CPU out of 2, because Ultrix 4.0 WILL be DISTRIBUTED (sure, it's released) over time.
avolio@decuac.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio) (08/27/90)
OSF/Motif is available NOW from Digital on ULTRIX and VMS. Digital will (is doing it now) migrate all DECwindows-based out-of-the-box applications to a Motif look and feel. Motif and the mwm will be the standard, supported, user and application program interface on our platforms. Motif from Digital today comes with tools to help migrate source code from DECwindows to Motif. Digital is not tossing out DECwindows, merely modifying it. You may recall that a large percentage of Motif is based on DECwindows technology (the application program interface and the user interface language, for example). I am not a Product Manager or a Project Manager for this, but I suspect that you will hear from one such person soon (hint, hint, hello Palo Alto.... :-) ). Fred
bernard@lolops.ucs.dec.com (Dave Bernard) (08/27/90)
As an aside, the notion of "quarters" may be to the fiscal year. DEC's fiscal year begins around 1 July. Within DEC, when something is shipping in Q1, it means in the timeframe of July-Sept. Q2 means October-December. Perhaps when you heard shipping dates there was some confusion between calendar and fiscal year.
hall@wsl.dec.com (Jon "Maddog" Hall) (08/27/90)
Motif V1.0 is shipping as a separate distribution kit from the ULTRIX distribution. We fully intend on replacing the XUI interface with the Motif interface in an upcoming release. As you probably know, the intrinsics for the Motif Toolkit are being changed in the Motif V1.1 release to make them compatible with the R4 intrinsics from MIT, so there will be one set of intrinsics again. Digital decided to wait until this was done before integrating Motif with the standard distribution. If developers wish to develop an application using Motif V1.0 (with the realization that they may have to change their code in the future if they program to the intrinsic level), then they can order the following distribution kits: RISC/ULTRIX: DECwindows Developer Kit on ULTRIX for OSF/Motif (RISC) QA-YMBAA-H5 VAX/ULTRIX DECwindows Developer Kit on ULTRIX for OSF/Motif (VAX) QA-YMCAA-H5 You may install this kit on any UWS system or UWS Server you have, since the royalty to OSF has been paid for every UWS system and the license retrofitted to every UWS system. The software has been tested against UWS V2.2 and UWS V4.0. Jon "maddog" Hall Product Manager ULTRIX Worksystems