[comp.unix.ultrix] MOTIF

n8443916@unicorn.WWU.EDU (John Gossman) (08/27/90)

	I am soliciting facts and opinions about the status of
MOTIF on Ultrix.  DEC has publicly announced support of MOTIF and
even that it will replace/integrate DECWindows with MOTIF.  DECWins
shows considerable thought and investment on DEC's part.  Are they
going to "junk" it for the apparently market required MOTIF?  Is MOTIF
even binary license available on the RISC line of workstations?

	Anyone is welcome to reply, publicly or privately.  I would
appreciate input from DEC reps, engineers, end-users, OSF reps, OSF
bashers--facts or opinions.

--John Gossman
SoftSource Inc.

/ My company stands behind my opinions, but only in private /

mf@ircam.ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut) (08/27/90)

When I enquired in this newsgroup in Febr. about Motif becoming available
end of 1st quarter '90 according to local DEC sources (let's see, this must
be now the 3rd quarter or so), the following reply was posted:

	Digital has an excellent X11 Environment XUI). To strengthen
	it's commitment to the OSF, DEC intends to migrate to a MOTIF
	based environment over time. To avoid causing problems for it's
	existing installed base, this migration will not happen in one
	major release.  Motif is available under a beta test type
	agreement  to software vendors. Those that need it now, have
	access to it. THose that don't need it now, will get it in the
	near future.

	Peter Quodling                  Internet:     quodling@blumon.enet.dec.com
	Digital Equipment Corporation   UUCP: ...!decwrl!blumon.enet!quodling
	Nashua, NH.                     I disclaim everying!!!

I particularly like the "over time".  "Over time" we have had for
several months a 5820 that runs just one CPU out of 2, because Ultrix
4.0 WILL be DISTRIBUTED (sure, it's released) over time.

avolio@decuac.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio) (08/27/90)

OSF/Motif is available NOW from Digital on ULTRIX and VMS.  Digital
will (is doing it now) migrate all DECwindows-based out-of-the-box
applications to a Motif look and feel.  Motif and the mwm will be
the standard, supported, user and application program interface on
our platforms.  Motif from Digital today comes with tools to help migrate
source code from DECwindows to Motif.

Digital is not tossing out DECwindows, merely modifying it.  You may recall
that a large percentage of Motif is based on DECwindows technology (the
application program interface and the user interface language, for example).

I am not a Product Manager or a Project Manager for this, but I suspect
that you will hear from one such person soon (hint, hint, hello
Palo Alto.... :-) ).

Fred

bernard@lolops.ucs.dec.com (Dave Bernard) (08/27/90)

	As an aside,  the notion of "quarters" may be to the fiscal year.  DEC's fiscal
year
	begins around 1 July.  Within DEC, when something is shipping in Q1, it means
	in the timeframe of July-Sept.  Q2 means October-December.  Perhaps when you
	heard shipping dates there was some confusion between calendar and fiscal
year.

hall@wsl.dec.com (Jon "Maddog" Hall) (08/27/90)

Motif V1.0 is shipping as a separate distribution kit from the ULTRIX
distribution.
We fully intend on replacing the XUI interface with the Motif interface
in an upcoming
release.

As you probably know, the intrinsics for the Motif Toolkit are being
changed in the
Motif V1.1 release to make them compatible with the R4 intrinsics from
MIT, so there will
be one set of intrinsics again.  Digital decided to wait until this was
done before
integrating Motif with the standard distribution.

If developers wish to develop an application using Motif V1.0 (with the
realization that
they may have to change their code in the future if they program to the
intrinsic level), then
they can order the following distribution kits:

RISC/ULTRIX:

	DECwindows Developer Kit on ULTRIX for OSF/Motif (RISC)   QA-YMBAA-H5

VAX/ULTRIX

	DECwindows Developer Kit on ULTRIX for OSF/Motif (VAX)    QA-YMCAA-H5


You may install this kit on any UWS system or UWS Server you have, since
the royalty to OSF
has been paid for every UWS system and the license retrofitted to every
UWS system.
The software has been tested against UWS V2.2 and UWS V4.0.

Jon "maddog" Hall
Product Manager
ULTRIX Worksystems