[net.micro] Terminal information

sean@ukma.UUCP (Sean Casey) (09/10/85)

	After reading the September issue of Byte magazine,  I have decided
to get one of Steve Ciarcia's SB180 SBC's. (Pretty nice board!) I have
decided on the disk drives, and all of the related hardware but I still
haven't decided on a terminal.  I am looking for something inexpensive, yet
not a piece of crap.  I have seen ads for the Qume QVT-101 terminal and I'm
quite impressed at the features you get for the price (which is about $300
for a green screen and $315 for amber, mail order).  My problem is that I
know of noone that has one or has even used one to get an opinion on it.  I
thought this might be a good place to ask for a little info.  So, does
anyone out there in net-land own one, use one, or know of anyone that
owns/uses one?  I would be most appreciative of any info as to quality,
reliability, keyboard feel/layout or anything else that might be of
importance.  Also, if anyone knows of another inexpensive terminal that
isn't bad, let me know...I'm all ears.


				Thanks in advance,

					Keith Hatfull


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fwb@siemens.UUCP (09/11/85)

> I have seen ads for the Qume QVT-101 terminal and I'm
> quite impressed at the features you get for the price
	...
> I would be most appreciative of any info as to quality,
> reliability, keyboard feel/layout or anything else that might be of
> importance.

I used one for a while when I first came to work here.  I ordered a different
terminal as soon as I could.

Quality:
	I was not impressed.  Underlining from man caused ugly reverse video
	following the underlined text (this might have been a termcap
	problem).  Standout mode had to be done in dim characters.  The PF
	and arrow keys generated character sequences which could not be used
	with any local software.

Reliability:
	Of the three in our group, one had a keyboard which did not always
	generate a character when you hit a key, and another died.  The two
	remaining ones are living in the Home for Unwanted Terminals.

Keyboard:
	Keys stick if you hit them off center.  It felt crowded.  Delete,
	backspace, and break keys are too close together.  My fingers
	quickly became fatigued.  Also see Reliability.

Anything Else:
	The characters on the screen always seemed a little fuzzy.  It does
	go to 19.2K bits per second.

Other terminals:
	There is an inexpensive Wyse terminal which will hit 38.6K bits per
	second and emulate several terminals.  I tried one out for a while
	one day and liked the keyboard even less than the Qume.

If you are going to use a terminal a lot, then get a reliable one with a good
screen and a comfortable keyboard, even if it is a little expensive.  If you
will play with it only a few hours a month, then the major factor will be
price.

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Frederic W. Brehm       (ihnp4!princeton!siemens!fwb)
Siemens Research and Technology Laboratories
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RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Rick Conn) (09/12/85)

I feel that the WYSE-50 may be a nice candidate for you.  I think the
current list is on the order of $500, and it offers:

	o 16 string-programmable function keys (8 chars max, tho)
	o 80/132 column mode
	o emulation for several terminals (TVI910, ADM3, others)

The TVI950 is also nice, but I think the price is higher.  In contrast:

	o 11 string-programmable function keys (256 chars total, each key
		can be variable so total is not exceeded)
	o 80 column only
	o no emulation (TVI9xx compatable)
	o 4 screens of memory that you can switch between (save one
		screen, work on another, and flip back and forth)

I own both, and I use the TVI950 most mainly because of the longer strings
in the function keys and the multiple screens.  I also have an SB180
and the interface is no problem (standard RS-232).  The ZCPR3 TCAP
(Terminal Capabilities data base) contains entries for over 50 terminals,
and both the TVI950 and WYSE-50 are included, so all screen-oriented
routines fall right into place.  I don't remember if the Qume terminal
you mentioned is there also, but it is easy to create new TCAP entries
for other terminals if not.

		Rick Conn (author of ZCPR3)
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mlsmith@NADC.ARPA (09/12/85)

At the last Trenton computer show the flea market had a goodly supply of
ADM-3's, Televideo 910/920's, and a few DEC VT52's. These were generally well
used, but allegedly in operating condition. The prices ranged from $75-$200.
Another way to go is a Commodore 64, a $99 monochrome monitor, and modem (or
null modem cable for local use). This is almost as much as the monitor, but you
get a computer to use when it's not a terminal:-).

howarde@mmintl.UUCP (Howard Eglowstein) (09/15/85)

Our Tech. support group has scads of the Qume QVT-101 terminals.  We looked
for quite a while and bought these because of the good keyboard, nice screen
and cheap price (about $300 or so).  They have a good TV910 emulation mode
as well.  I think they've been just as if not more reliable than our VT100s.