[comp.sys.transputer] mor of the smae...

HALLAM@vax1.physics.oxford.ac.uk ("Phillip M. Hallam-Baker") (02/14/91)

In hin arrticle Steven Ericsson writes :-

> But anyhow, now you're waffling (and maybe I am too:).

Yep probably.

Anyhow the points I was trying to get across were

1.	The article was unclear
		It is *NOT* pompous to complain about things being unclear.
	There is little point of carying on a conversation if you don't
	understand the other person's point. The problem I was having was that
	The original article was ambiguous. I can guess what is meant but
	that is not much good if I have two equally good guesses...

	(This does not however constitute a refutation that the manner of
	my complaint was pompous but I'm a kinda pompous sort of person...)

	[side note what is the point of denotational semantics if not to be
	precise and unambiguous]

2	The drift of the article was "oh occam is useless you have this copy
	penalty you see so let's forget it"

>Well, I would like to see a study done of the claim in your second
>sentence here 
	
	Yep I would like to see one to ! You are right that someone should come
	out with some figures before making dumb statements - but I was
	responding to an article which had originaly been posted without
	supotting data so I figured that to produce some before posting a
	refutation was hardly appropriate. All I know is that in *MY*
	application the copy penalty is not a problem.

3	Where has your requirement for coding clarity gone? ... Out the window,
that's where ;-)

	OK - Ill explain how I maintain coding clarity - soon hopefully
	It is the subject of my DPhil. Basicaly My premise is that to turn off
	usage checking you have to provide the checking at a higher level
	in your hiereachical program design. My source code maintains clarity
	by relegating the business of shared memory to a back end "optimiser".

	Basically I use Occam like yacc uses C - as the intermediate language
	in a code translation system. 

4	I get totaly p****d off by introduction of jargon like `consumer
	orientated' languages. Especialy when the terms are either imprecise
	or make a valueless distinction. I get the feeling that these terms are
	invented mainly to make articles sound impressive - take out the
	consumer/producer stuff and the original article boils down to
	occam has constructs to handle parallel code. Parallel Fortran dosen't
	consider it a problem therfore use parallel FORTRAN (which the autour
	is on the committee for). It's committee speak ! The only value is to
	enable committee beuraucrats to look as if they are doing something
	clever. It also has the advantage that if you haven't kept up with 
	the latest jargon you look silly and the jargon inventer looks like
	and expert.

	But then again this may just be me being pompous...


Ho Humm enough waffle how about doing some work ??

	Phillip M. Hallam-Baker

PS	Since this net seems to becomming a buletin board for prospective
	post docs - is there anybody on the USA side of the pond who is
	looking to fill a post doc position? Our beloved government has just
	axed Nuclear Structure research and is cutting back in Info Technology.
	I am working on methods of writting *LARGE* software packages for 
	parallel (transputerish) systems. Am currently working on the 
	1000 transputer ZEUS data aquisition system in Hamburg Germany.