bhoughto@cmdnfs.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) (11/08/90)
In article <940@otello.sublink.org> venta@otello.sublink.org (Paolo Ventafridda) writes: >why bother to re-invent the wheel? Why indeed? >A simple word-wrapping/right-justif. without any printer control RTFM nroff(1). The vi-macro using nroff to double-justify text is fairly simple. It's probably in the FAQ for comp.unix.questions, in fact. >I think that rewriting ex/vi is far much more difficult than >writing a simple but workable WP from scratch. vi(1) and emacs(1gnu) are _extensible_ (especially emacs, which is more of a build-it-yourself editor kit than an actual editor.) Maarten (anyone?) should email you a copy of the vi reference. I think you'd be amazed how powerful that little editor is. (Maart - I'd do it myself, but my copy is on a tape in a box behind the-- well, you get the picture...) --Blair "I'd do it myself, but my brain is on a tape in a box behind the -- well, you get the picture..."
venta@otello.sublink.org (Paolo Ventafridda) (11/11/90)
In article <873@inews.intel.com>, bhoughto@cmdnfs.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes: > > RTFM nroff(1). The vi-macro using nroff to double-justify > text is fairly simple. It's probably in the FAQ for > comp.unix.questions, in fact. > When i wrote my previous article i almost knew there had been such an answer. Well Blair... (thx anyway;-) ) the problem is that i *don't *have the text formatting tools. I am using a 3b2-600 at&t with unix V 3.2.1, and there are no text form. tools (well, there are no manual pages online too!! in fact this product is not supported anymore in italy). > Maarten (anyone?) should email you a copy of the vi > reference. Thanks again for your kindness, but i already have a vi reference guide (a small pocket book by at&t, really nice). The point here was the rewriting of ex/vi. Still i think the the unix world is missing some public domain software which is not a language, a disk tool, a powerful editor with lisp online, a 2200 elo chess player, but a simple, tiny, ordinary Word Processor. I dont want to use Emacs or Vi for writing a letter!!!! VI is older than me!!! (uhm, not sure...but maybe almost!) I use vi, sometimes microemacs, but i am concerned that 8 years ago when i was using my ancient TI-99/4a with 16K i had a far much better WP. Which was not talking lisp. Just like my car doesn't speak Basic. Hehehe ;-) Greets, Paolo -- Paolo Ventafridda -*- INTERNET: venta@otello.sublink.org TELEMATIX MILANO - Via C.Gomes 10, 20124 Milano - +39-2-6706012
wyle@inf.ethz.ch (Mitchell Wyle) (11/14/90)
In <946@otello.sublink.org> venta@otello.sublink.org (Paolo Ventafridda) tirades: >When i wrote my previous article i almost knew there had been >such an answer. Well Blair... (thx anyway;-) ) the problem is >that i *don't *have the text formatting tools. There are other text formatting tools (such as mf posted to alt.sources recently) which might get your job done, Paulo. >Thanks again for your kindness, but i already have a vi reference >guide (a small pocket book by at&t, really nice). ...not as nice as Maarten's guide... >The point here was the rewriting of ex/vi. Still i think the the unix >world is missing some public domain software which is not stevie, elvis, jstevie1.3 are already here. Other authors have the jump on you. >I dont want to use Emacs or Vi for writing a letter!!!! Prego prego Paulo. Calm down :-) >I use vi, sometimes microemacs, but i am concerned that >8 years ago when i was using my ancient TI-99/4a with 16K >i had a far much better WP. Which was not talking lisp. >Just like my car doesn't speak Basic. I also often wish vi had !}fmt built-in. I may add paragraph formatting to jstevie1.3 in a few months. The point is that you should start with elvis or jstevie, not write all of vi from scratch. >Hehehe ;-) >Greets, Paolo Ciao, -Mitch
venta@otello.sublink.org (Paolo Ventafridda) (11/14/90)
In article <14607@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, wyle@inf.ethz.ch (Mitchell Wyle) writes: > ...not as nice as Maarten's guide... Yum yum... now i'm curious! > > stevie, elvis, jstevie1.3 are already here. Other authors have the jump on > you. I beg your pardon - i'm probably wrong - but once upon a time, about 2.5 seconds-CPU (Cray XMP) ago [which is ~3 years ago for my old Atari micro ;-) ] there was a 'stevie' program around. It looked like a good VI clone, but not like a WP. These *stevie* you are talking about have advanced features? > I also often wish vi had !}fmt built-in. I may add paragraph > formatting to jstevie1.3 in a few months. sigh. I just wish i had "fmt" on the 3b2; ah, but next machine will be a 386, which is not a 'mini', so it will probably be good for something else than crunching i/o. Here's something to make you laugh a bit. Time ago, in W.Germany, a friend of mine was showing me it's fabulous Unix 286. He was trying to compile ELM 2.0, running the Configure script. "You see, this is a real UNIX...not a xenix." etc.etc. ;-) So the Configure starts, and on the screen there comes out "..it's not eunice.." "..it's not xenix..." "..it's not unix ..." "...hey, this is a CRAY!" While i was down on the ground laughing, i thought that probably the Micropork 286 unix was the hardest system to compile software on. Nowadays i'm not so sure; i've been trying to compile aberMUD II on the 3b2 without any success (it dumps core) since friday. The Readme says that the software "will compile on any machine with a CPU inside" (hehe) but they forgot to add "except 3b2s". The approach to compile pd software here is now "it won't work, but let's see if today we're lucky" ;-( So i wonder if stevie would compile here, also. > Ciao, -Mitch Ciao e grazie, Paolo -- Paolo Ventafridda -*- INTERNET: venta@otello.sublink.org TELEMATIX MILANO - Via C.Gomes 10, 20124 Milano - +39-2-6706012