kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen) (01/29/91)
In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard >and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not have to >load all of the program at once (ie. it can use disk swapping as needed) >although I do have 4 MB of RAM available. I would guess that, for a file of that size, you would have to go commercial. I am unaware of any PD or shareware product that can handle a 1 Meg file (of course, now watch somebody pop in here and make a fool out of me :) ). I use Vedit by Greenview Software. Paid $85 for it mail order. I have used it to edit files of the size you're talking about, and I can attest that it works. I hear that Brief is also good. And there are many more out there on the market that I'm sure others on here can recommend. >Roggie >(boone@ahtena.cs.uga.edu) <== respond here please -kevin kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu
new@ee.udel.edu (Darren New) (01/29/91)
In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I would highly recommend PMate. It is a Pheonix product, I believe. -- --- Darren New --- Grad Student --- CIS --- Univ. of Delaware --- ----- Network Protocols, Graphics, Programming Languages, Formal Description Techniques (esp. Estelle), Coffee, Amigas ----- =+=+=+ Let GROPE be an N-tuple where ... +=+=+=
jstone@world.std.com (Jeffrey R Stone) (01/29/91)
Roggie Boone writes: >I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard >and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not have to >load all of the program at once (ie. it can use disk swapping as needed) Epsilon (Lugaru Software) will do it. It can swap to disk, ramdisk, or expanded memory. -jeff-
roger@wrq.com (Roger Fulton) (01/29/91)
In article <1991Jan28.205844.19802@ariel.unm.edu> kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen) writes: >In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >>I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >>I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >>I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard >>and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not have to >>load all of the program at once (ie. it can use disk swapping as needed) >>although I do have 4 MB of RAM available. > >I would guess that, for a file of that size, you would have to go commercial. >I am unaware of any PD or shareware product that can handle a 1 Meg file (of >course, now watch somebody pop in here and make a fool out of me :) ). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ OK :-). wuarchive.wustl.edu has mirrors/msdos/editors/sedt40pc.arc which will do files > 1M. This is a great editor if you have a DEC EDT background (I do). Roger Fulton roger@wrq.com .
it1@ra.MsState.Edu (Tim Tsai) (01/29/91)
>In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard >and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not have to >load all of the program at once (ie. it can use disk swapping as needed) >although I do have 4 MB of RAM available. te25.zip in simtel20 (under pd1:<msdos.editors>) will handle files of any size. It is *FAST*, even when you edit a file larger than memory. This is very similar to Qedit in feature and performance. WordPerfect's PE editor will handle files of any size too, but very slowly. -- I'd never cry if I did find a blue whale in my soup... Nor would I mind a porcupine inside a chicken coop. Yes life is fine when things combine, like ham in beef chow mein... But Lord this time I think I mind, they've put acid in my rain. <Milo Bloom>
jham@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu (John Ham) (01/29/91)
I tried many editors before settling in on Brief. It is by far the slowest of the lot, but so far I have never had an error (v3.0) while working with large files. Sprint is faster, but the line numbers go crazy after 32768, so you can't jump to line 99999, for instance. I tried the Sage Professional Editor, and while it is very fast and has the best user interface, if you even look at it funny it crashes. They do have nice technical support and do fix all reported bugs in time (kind of like Word Defect does), but who has time? As for the macro language, etc, I don't know. I only use Brief when a file won't fit in memory for Qedit, but when I need BIG file editing, Brief never lets me down. Editors which won't work: Qedit, Blackbeard, Galaxy, PC-Write, Tech-Edit (it does files larger than ram, but crashes rather severely with SHARE.EXE loaded and lines > 32768, at least on my machine...makes me wonder if they're using FCB's). The bottom line: Brief with do it every time, but it is slow and expensive. Qedit has a file on the registered distribution disk called CHUNKER.EXE that will split a file into pieces for editing, then join them back together when you are done. Don't use this for binary (non-TEXT) files, obviously, since it searches for eoln's. Hope this helps - jham@cs.umr.edu
hf@marvin.e17.Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hannes Faestermann) (01/29/91)
kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen) writes: >In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >>I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >>I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and ...stuff deleted... Try EMACS from the FSF (Free Software Foundation): It's able to load files >1MB and there are lots of macro packages written in a sort of lisp. You can get the newest version by anonymous ftp from prep.ai.mit.edu in the directory pub/gnu The newest version is 18.57 and it's size is about 4MB as a tar'ed and compressed file Hannes Hannes Faestermann | Internet: Physik-Department E17 | H.Faestermann@marvin.e17.physik.tu-muenchen.de TU Muenchen, | or: hf@marvin[.e17.physik.tu-muenchen.de] 8046 Garching, West Germany | BitNET : HF@DGABLG5P
v056ped5@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian M McNamara) (01/29/91)
>>In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >>>I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >>>I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >....stuff deleted... I think that the editor that comes with FST's Modula-2 will handle this and it has very nice function key controls (block copy/move/delete, global replace, etc.) I know that you can use the big name editors (WordPerfect, WordStar, MS Word, and so on and so on) and simply save the file in ASCII mode. I don't know of any that don't have ASCII formatting. Brian
gray@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM (Bill Gray x2128) (01/29/91)
XyWrite can be made to work with gigantic files. It can buffer parts of the file to disk. Moving through the file is slow. Moving text from point A to point B in the "normal" XyWrite method is impossible when the points are in different 64K segments of the file. If you need to do that, define the text in question (in sections if necessary) and save them to disk. Then delete them from the doc (if moving) or just go to the location where they are to be placed (if copying) and merge the disk file in at the new cursor location. Save often. Use XyWrite's memory allocation feature to dump all programs and files it has automatically loaded to free up RAM for the doc. (XyWrite will reload what it has to have.) A ***far*** easier method is to use the Unix split command to divide the huge file into sections of manageable length. Edit to your heart's content on the editor you like best after you have pared the monster to a size your editor can easily handle. Then use the DOS append command to reunite the beast if you must. Good luck. Bill -- : gray@rsvl.unisys.com : : : : My gun is safer than Ted : : Unisys has enough problems without being : Kennedy's car. : : blamed for my personal opinions. : :
d89peter@odalix.ida.liu.se (Peter Eriksson) (01/30/91)
hf@marvin.e17.Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hannes Faestermann) writes: >kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen) writes: >>In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >>>I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >>>I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >...stuff deleted... >Try EMACS from the FSF (Free Software Foundation): It's able to load >files >1MB and there are lots of macro packages written in a sort of >lisp. >You can get the newest version by anonymous ftp from prep.ai.mit.edu >in the directory pub/gnu >The newest version is 18.57 and it's size is about 4MB as a tar'ed and >compressed file Uuu.... Sure, GNU Emacs can load files up to 16MB in size, but due to the way it is written you don't wanna edit huge files with it unless you have your own workstation with some >16MB RAM (or more). With smaller machines the pageing resulting from editing huge files in Gnu Emacs is horrible.. (It loads the whole file into the memory and keeps it there until you save you changes..) /Peter -- Peter Eriksson pen@lysator.liu.se Lysator Computer Club ...!uunet!lysator.liu.se!pen University of Linkoping, Sweden Support the LPF!
andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) (01/30/91)
I once edited a 16Mb + file using Brief ... seemed to handle it okay although a little slow. Then I exited and the (full) disk's FAT was garbage. I'm not blaming Brief (I'd sooner blame Messy-DOS) but it was anoying (had to restore the FAT from the backup copy ... one useful thing that MS-DOS does). Andy. -- Andrew Newman, Software Engineer. | Net: andy@research.canon.oz.au Canon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone: +61 2 805 2914 P.O. Box 313 North Ryde, NSW, Australia 2113 | Fax: +61 2 805 2929
einari@rhi.hi.is (Einar Indridason) (01/30/91)
In article <1991Jan28.215941.22369@world.std.com> jstone@world.std.com (Jeffrey R Stone) writes: >Roggie Boone writes: >>I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >>I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >>I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard Don't laugh, but edlin will. Yes. That old tiny edlin will edit that file. (any flames about edlin are to go to: /dev/null :-) -- Internet: einari@rhi.hi.is | "Just give me my command line and drag UUCP: ..!mcsun!isgate!rhi!einari | the GUIs to the waste basket!!!!" Surgeon Generals warning: Masking the 8th bit can seriously damage your brain!!
crowley@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Charlie Crowley) (01/30/91)
boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: > I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. > I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and > I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard > and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not have to > load all of the program at once (ie. it can use disk swapping as needed) > although I do have 4 MB of RAM available. > > I would prefer to get PD editors from ftp sites, but I would appreciate > any info. I wrote a PC editor called Point that was bundled with the Logitech mouse for a year or two (no longer, I was replaced by a shell, alas) that uses a virtual memory-like method and can editor files of any length. Anyone who is interested can have the code (it is a bit lengthy 10,000 lines) or can ftp an .exe file. I also am preparing an X windows version of the editor which pretty much works (although there are some bugs that crash it occasionally). I would love to have someone else try it out. It uses the mouse very extensively. Email me for more info. Charlie Crowley Univ. of New Mexico Computer Science Dept.
kebera@alzabo.uucp (Krishna E. Bera) (01/30/91)
kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen) writes: >In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >>I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >>I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >>I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard >>and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not have to >I would guess that, for a file of that size, you would have to go commercial. >I am unaware of any PD or shareware product that can handle a 1 Meg file (of >course, now watch somebody pop in here and make a fool out of me :) ). Try the Whitney Editor from Whitney Software who may be contacted at: P.O.Box 4999 Walnut Creek, CA 94596 It uses all available expanded memory and is shareware. -- Krishna E. Bera Programmer/Analyst kebera@alzabo.ocunix.on.ca MIL Systems Engineering Inc. nrcaer!alzabo!kebera Ottawa, Canada
scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) (01/30/91)
In article <1991Jan28.205844.19802@ariel.unm.edu> kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen) writes: >In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >>I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >>I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >>I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard >>and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not have to >>load all of the program at once (ie. it can use disk swapping as needed) >>although I do have 4 MB of RAM available. > >I would guess that, for a file of that size, you would have to go commercial. >I am unaware of any PD or shareware product that can handle a 1 Meg file (of >course, now watch somebody pop in here and make a fool out of me :) ). Well, funny you should say that, but Jove 4.14 (freeware, source provided, should be on SIMTEL20 I think) is said to handle files up to 25000 lines with no file-size limitation, running on a 640k PC. Actually the number of lines is dependent on compile-time options which allow you to build compact versions. The file is kept in a temporary file, but on a reasonbly fast hard disk it's not *too* slow. Jove is an Emacs-type editor (so you'll either love it or hate it :-) and looks a lot like GNU Emacs, except that it is non-programmable. It also runs on generic MS-DOS machines, Unix and (would you believe) Macs. The DOS source is compatible with MS C 5.0 upwards. While I'm on the subject, has anybody fixed Jove for 50-line VGA mode? It has a 43-line EGA mode, but it hits the metal a lot and doesn't work too well on a VGA card. Should be fairly simple to fix, but I don't think I've got the space on my hard disk to start hacking it :-). _____________________________________________________________________________ | Scott Telford, Dept of Computer Science, scott@cs.hw.ac.uk | | Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, UK. scott%hwcs@ukc.uucp | |_____ "Expect the unexpected." (The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy) ______|
dcrowley@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au (David Crowley) (01/31/91)
In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: >I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard >and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not have to >load all of the program at once (ie. it can use disk swapping as needed) >although I do have 4 MB of RAM available. > I find that WordStar (urghhh :-[) in non-document mode will edit any size file and never crash. It is also reasonably fast. David... -- -----------------=\|/= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = David Crowley --@-- Database Programmer, Macquarie University, Australia ----------------- /|\ email: dcrowley@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au At MacUni - Phone = 61 2 805-8742 Room = EsevenB 238
andy@mks.com (Andy Toy) (02/01/91)
Try vi. -- Andy Toy <andy@mks.com> UUCP: ...!uunet!watmath!mks!andy Technical Support <support@mks.com> Phone: +1-519-884-2270 Mortice Kern Systems Inc. <inquiry@mks.com> Phone: +1-519-884-2251 35 King Street North, Waterloo, Ontario N2J 2W9, CANADA Fax: +1-519-884-8861
bob@ns.UUCP (Bob Mathias) (02/04/91)
In article <1991Feb1.003823.4969@mks.com> andy@mks.com (Andy Toy) writes: >Try vi. I couldn't think of a poorer editor for large files than vi! The vi's I've used on 386 systems have real small limits for things like deleting ( I believe it was around 5000 to 6000 lines). I also believe that the buffers are also limited. -- Bob Mathias uucp: ...!uunet!ccicpg!uis-oc!ns.UUCP!bob Unisys Corporation voice: (714) 727-0323 A and V Series Systems Engineering fax: (714) 727-0350 Irvine, California
bg11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian E. Gallew) (02/04/91)
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d: 30-Jan-91 Re: editors for > huge files Krishna E. Bera@alzabo.u (981) > kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen) writes: > >In article <1991Jan28.201452.27323@athena.cs.uga.edu> > boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes: > >>I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. > >>I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and > >>I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, > Blackbeard > >>and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not > have to > >I would guess that, for a file of that size, you would have to go commercial. > >I am unaware of any PD or shareware product that can handle a 1 Meg file (of > >course, now watch somebody pop in here and make a fool out of me :) ). Of course, there is always edlin ;-> -Brian You drop the bomb -more- It goes off... -more- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am *NOT* as think as you dumb I am!! | This space for rent (241-6939) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) (02/06/91)
From the keyboard of bob@ns.UUCP (Bob Mathias):
:In article <1991Feb1.003823.4969@mks.com> andy@mks.com (Andy Toy) writes:
:>Try vi.
:I couldn't think of a poorer editor for large files than vi! The vi's I've
:used on 386 systems have real small limits for things like deleting (
:I believe it was around 5000 to 6000 lines). I also believe that the
:buffers are also limited.
So get a real vi then.
Actually, I do use emacs on files of size O(10**6) or better (worse?).
Or shove it through a sed or perl script.
--tom
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U=brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu; echo "/From: $U/h:j" >>~/News/KILL; expire -f $Ucurtaip@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Patrick Curtain) (03/01/91)
>>I am looking for an ASCII editor that will let me edit huge files. >>I have a program file (21000+ lines) that is over 1 megabyte in size and >>I need to edit it, preferably on a PC. I've tried Personal Editor, Blackbeard >>and Qedit but none of them load the entire file. The program does not have to >>load all of the program at once (ie. it can use disk swapping as needed) >>although I do have 4 MB of RAM available. Of the programs I've seen mentioned the easiest and most powerful I know of is Sage Professional Editor. I've had 45,000 lines in a window and a 1Mg binary file in another with NOoo problems. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=][=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Patrick D. Curtain . i'll claim all those Internet: curtaip@jacobs.cs.orst.edu . disclaimed opinions...