haapanen@watdcsu.UUCP (Tom Haapanen [DCS]) (11/05/85)
In article <467@brl-sem.ARPA> abc@brl-sem.ARPA (Brint Cooper) writes: >If companies are REALLY concerned about their phone bills (and not about >oneupsmanship), they'll immediately direct their host administrators to >shut off net.bizarre, net.jokes, net.women, net.singles, net.social, >net.motss, net.religion.xxx, net.games (except for, perhaps, the game >companies!), net.rec, and the like. I make no argument for net.jokes, net.flame or any others, but, BUT, *BUT*! There has been much discussion about people posting freeware on net.sources.mac, and how the net should not be used for monetary gain, and therefore we should go for mod.sources.mac or get rid of the whole thing and blah blah blah. Well, then, WHAT GIVES A MULTI-MILLION-DOLLAR CORPORATION THE RIGHT TO POST 300 LINES OF OBVIOUS ADVERTISING ON THE NET WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMMER IS NOT ALLOWED TO POST HIS PROGRAM? Do big companies have more rights? Could you answer this, Brint? Or how about you, Clif? Sorry about the flame --- I feel better now. \tom haapanen watmath!watdcsu!haapanen Don't cry, don't do anything No lies, back in the government No tears, party time is here again President Gas is up for president (c) Psychedelic Furs, 1982
jabusch@uiucdcsb.CS.UIUC.EDU (11/08/85)
Perhaps the key note here is that this is not net.sources.mac
or whatever. There have been many postings here in the past of shareware
software developed by people on the net. Some of us have gained a lot
by reading this notesfile. I expect to be able to find interesting things
in here, and a little hype never hurt anyone, especially when you have
the ability to skip the note altogether (my, what these machines won't
do today! :). If people don't like shareware in net.mac, fine. Let them
gripe. You can bet that for each person who complains, there are several,
perhaps more, who will sit quietly and grab the code and put it on their
machines and run it, and have the sense not to complain about a good thing.
Intel, while not supplying free code, is supplying free information.
Perhaps what you object to is that people can learn about some new product
that comes from a company that you for some reason despise. Are you afraid
that people will buy it and use it and it will become popular? While Intel
chips have not been the most popular in the past for many programmers, they
have been a big factor in shaping the way we see personaly computing.
I prefer to be able to keep up with the expansions in the industry,
especially with those advances which will effect us tomorrow. I would
like to thank Clif and all who believe in free information.
Perhaps, however, in the future, the Intel folks should give the
details on the product, leaving out the personal backpatting, and leave
it to us out here to pat them instead... (if we approve, of course) I'm
sure that approach would reduce the number of flames, and hence some of
the more useless traffic on the net.
<put standard disclaimers here>
John W. Jabusch
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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ARPA: jabusch@uiuc.arpaabc@brl-sem.ARPA (Brint Cooper ) (11/09/85)
Re the Intel Flap: Folks should post anything to the newsgroups that their system administrators will allow. If the readership does not wish to read some item, they simply don't read it. Should someone in the community find this unsatisfactory, he or she can offer to moderate mod.computer.micro! The opportunities afforded Intel are available to everyone on the net. I am inundated with information and could easily have missed the announcement of the 386. I discard nearly every piece of 3rd class mail I receive. Therefore, I welcome announcements in this group by Intel, AMD, Motorola, Zilog, and anyone else who has a new product to announce. Equally useful are the articles claiming that the 386 is not so significant when they are made on technical grounds. All the rest belong in net.flame -- which I do not read! Brint In article <1839@watdcsu.UUCP> haapanen@watdcsu.UUCP (Tom Haapanen [DCS]) writes: . > >I make no argument for net.jokes, net.flame or any others, but, BUT, >*BUT*! There has been much discussion about people posting freeware >on net.sources.mac, and how the net should not be used for monetary >gain, and therefore we should go for mod.sources.mac or get rid of the >whole thing and blah blah blah. Well, then, WHAT GIVES A >MULTI-MILLION-DOLLAR CORPORATION THE RIGHT TO POST 300 LINES OF >OBVIOUS ADVERTISING ON THE NET WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMMER IS >NOT ALLOWED TO POST HIS PROGRAM? Do big companies have more rights? > >Could you answer this, Brint? > > > > \tom haapanen > watmath!watdcsu!haapanen