rissa@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Patricia O Tuama) (05/09/88)
In article <4491@hoptoad.uucp> gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) writes: >richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) wrote: >> Now nobody has the right to say "you cant do say that", but we would >> politely request that the newsgroup: >> alt.birthright >> Any objections ? > >Yes, I object. Alt is not a trashcan. If you don't like talk.bizarre, >just stop carrying it until (if & when) the bozos let it go. Or complain >to the management of the bozos' sites. Or talk to the sites that connect >to the bozos, and get them to stop feeding them. ("Do not feed the bozos"). Oh, we like talk.bizarre just fine. Our problem is that K*nt P. Dolan seems to have arbitrarily decided that t.b is the most relevant place for his presidential campaign, much to the dismay of many t.b readers. Our feeling is that he and his followers should be free to discuss presidential politics as much as they wish without the interference of regular talk.bizarre conversation. I agree that alt. is not a trashcan. But the fact that it does seem to be home to a number of other more personal, relevant and timely subjects (such as alt.sex or alt.sca) leads us to believe that it is the most appropriate place for the birthright party newgroup. . Patricia O Tuama
karl@saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (Karl Kleinpaste) (05/11/88)
rissa@bu-cs.BU.EDU writes:
Oh, we like talk.bizarre just fine. Our problem is that K*nt P. Dolan
seems to have arbitrarily decided that t.b is the most relevant place
for his presidential campaign, much to the dismay of many t.b readers.
One could of course argue that this is suitable revenge being brought
down on the t.b population for the abuse of a large fraction of the
other 400-or-so worldwide newsgroups caused by that population due to
inappropriate crossposting.
But personally, I don't give a hoot whether alt.birthright comes into
existence or not. It looks like we're going to get a dandy little
newgroup/rmgroup ctrl msg war; on one of the systems I administer,
loquat.cis.ohio-state.edu, alt.birthright came into existence and then
had its removal requested within the span of 10 minutes.
--Karlgreg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gregory Nowak) (05/12/88)
In article <12984@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> karl@saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (Karl Kleinpaste) writes: >rissa@bu-cs.BU.EDU writes: > Oh, we like talk.bizarre just fine. Our problem is that K*nt P. Dolan > seems to have arbitrarily decided that t.b is the most relevant place > for his presidential campaign, much to the dismay of many t.b readers. > >One could of course argue that this is suitable revenge being brought >down on the t.b population for the abuse of a large fraction of the >other 400-or-so worldwide newsgroups caused by that population due to >inappropriate crossposting. You're unaware of the details, Karl. Regular readers of talk.bizarre almost NEVER crosspost "out of" talk.bizarre; the biggest problem is with people who have a bad experience getting their tires rotated, write a 100-line article to rec.autos, and then think, "Duh, that was bizarre," and crosspost it to talk.bizarre -- never even having read the group. Then all the rec.autos people who want to talk about having their tires rotated follow up the article with completely non-bizarre messages, fail to edit the newsgroups line, and send dozens of messages to talk.bizarre. The talk.bizarre population has grown weary of this, and has tried both gentle and not-so-gentle methods of warning offending populations about this. Ask any regular reader of rec.arts.startrek. If you check the new netstats on percentages of articles crossposted, you'll find that talk.bizarre place high at all. I think it didn't even make the top 40. So, first of all, crossposting isn't a major problem with talk.bizarre, and secondly, the problem that does exist there is crossposts "into" the group rather than "out of" it. -- gatech!phoenix!greg Gregory A Nowak/Phoenix Gang/Princeton NJ 08544 "Take 2*3*5*7*11*13. It's divisible by 59." --Matt Crawford
richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) (05/13/88)
Kleinpaste from ohio sez: > >One could of course argue that this is suitable revenge being brought >down on the t.b population for the abuse of a large fraction of the >other 400-or-so worldwide newsgroups caused by that population due to >inappropriate crossposting. This brough to you from the engage mouth, start brain school of posting. The crossposting nightmares in talk.bizarre are caused by, moistly first year college kiddies that think something is just so wucking funderfull that they must share it with all of t.b, and dont have the synaptic fortitude to investigate the radical concept, known apparantly only to a few: "Followup-to". -- noalias went. it really wasn't negotiable richard@gryphon.CTS.COM rutgers!marque!gryphon!richard
klortho@inco.UUCP (Klortho the Exalted) (05/13/88)
In article <12984@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> karl@saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (Karl Kleinpaste) writes: >rissa@bu-cs.BU.EDU writes: > Oh, we like talk.bizarre just fine. Our problem is that K*nt P. Dolan > seems to have arbitrarily decided that t.b is the most relevant place > for his presidential campaign, much to the dismay of many t.b readers. > >One could of course argue that this is suitable revenge being brought >down on the t.b population for the abuse of a large fraction of the >other 400-or-so worldwide newsgroups caused by that population due to >inappropriate crossposting. I hardly think that t.b is the only source of cross-posting abuse, and I might add that it's a two-way street (since my cliche generator is back from the shop.) In fact, t.b is generally rather cliquish; the regulars (with the exception of KPD and handful of others) rarely cross-post. Of course, they also rarely edit the newsgroups line... >But personally, I don't give a hoot whether alt.birthright comes into >existence or not. It looks like we're going to get a dandy little >newgroup/rmgroup ctrl msg war; Well, someone else will have to conduct the pro side of the conflict. I created alt.birthright because it was requested by several people who presented a reasonable (by my lights) rationale for its existence. This is a hell of a lot more than can be said for alt.rock-n-roll. STella and others have said that the alt net isn't a trashcan. They are correct. It's a ghetto. This is where the groups that the "real" net won't tolerate end up. alt.birthright has been created. Individual sysadmins can decide whether or not they want it. I personally don't give a damn who carries it. If there are any actual newsgroup creation guidelines for the alt net, I'd be interested in hearing about them. Especially if they're more meaningful than the ones on the "real" net. And my very special thanks to Brian Reid, for attempting to save us all from the annoyance of having to do our own thinking. Do you suppose there's actually anyone out there who built their news software without defining MANUALLY? Dave Mack mack@inco.UUCP aka klortho@inco.UUCP aka postmaster@inco.UUCP aka root@inco.UUCP