ddodell@stjhmc.fidonet.org (David Dodell) (08/07/90)
AIDS Treatment News #107, July 20, 1990 Conference Report, Part II Experimental Antivirals AZT, Antiviral Combinations, and Resistance Cryptosporidiosis: Scattered Success, Research Delays Announcements Conference Report, Part II Our previous issue included an overview of the most important practical treatment information from the Sixth International Conference on AIDS, from a public talk by Marcus Conant, M. D. This issue continues our Conference coverage: * New discoveries of potential drugs outside of the dominant preconceptions may offer the most promising possibilities for future development -- because with them, the easy research has not already been done. But these new developments risk being ignored. Newspapers seldom acknowledge their existence, and few scientists, physicians, or reporters have time to read or listen to all the Conference presentations. Our article on experimental antivirals examines two scientific papers which deserve attention. * Many Conference presentations concerned AZT dosage, combination therapy, and antiviral resistance. The article by Michelle Roland on AZT outlines these developments. * Opportunistic infections are potentially easier to treat than HIV, and yet they have often been neglected in the research conducted up to now. As a result, advances against opportunistic infections have been among the most practical of new developments, and at the same time among the most disappointing. In this issue, Denny Smith reviews cryptosporidiosis reports presented at the Conference. Experimental Antivirals by John S. James Dozens of different potential antivirals were mentioned in presentations at the Sixth International Conference on AIDS. But usually the results were too sketchy to be useful, or otherwise relevant to only a handful of specialists. If we were asked to name one "sleeper" at the Conference -- one project which we believe may have great importance but which received little attention -- it would be the work on melanins, described below. It is too early to know if this treatment will be useful -- but it would be easy to find out. By contrast, the paper on Chinese medicines with anti-HIV activity in laboratory tests (below) did attract attention -- partly because virologist David Ho, known for his work on plasma viremia, assisted in the project. As with melanins, we highlighted this work because it offers practical advantages. A medicine already in routine human use can clearly be developed faster as an AIDS/HIV treatment than a new chemical never used before. But Chinese medicines may be unpatentable, and they fit poorly into the Western medical-industrial complex, so the research needed is hard to fund. Community-based organizations should pay special attention to treatments which could be developed rapidly, but may not be developed at all without community pressure. Readers should note that this article is based mainly on information presented at the Conference, as we have not had time to contact the researchers or do other followup. For information on how to obtain the Conference abstracts and tapes referred to in this issue, see "Obtaining Conference Information," under Announcements. Melanins This work, by researchers at Vanderbilt University Medical School, could easily be missed, because the interesting information appeared for only one day on the poster presentation itself (poster #Th.A. 228), not in the published abstract or in an article published by the investigators. To anyone not at the poster that day, melanins would look like just another of the dozens of potential treatments which appear promising in laboratory tests and ought to be investigated further for possible human use for treating AIDS. Melanins are pigments which are already found in the body in hair, skin, and eyes. Although recognized for at least 60 years, their chemical structure is not known, and no therapeutic use for these chemicals has been found. The melanins which occur naturally in the body are insoluble in water, but the synthetic forms studied as an anti-HIV treatment are soluble. Melanins are easy to make, can be given orally, and are inexpensive. The published abstract (reference above) reported that small concentrations of melanins (0.3 to 10 ug/ml) blocked infection of human T-helper cells with HIV in laboratory tests; three different cell lines and three different viruses (including HIV- 2) were used. A more detailed report of the same work was published in April of this year. (Montefiori, D. C. and others. Inhibition of human immunodeficiency virus type 1 replication and cytopathicity by synthetic soluble catecholamine melanins in vitro. Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications, volume 168, number 1, pages 200-205, April 16, 1990.) The mechanism of action is not known, but melanins did not inhibit reverse transcriptase, so clearly they work entirely differently than AZT. (One test suggested that they probably did not get inside the cells.) Another report, apparently of research too recent for inclusion in the published abstract or the journal article, appeared only on the poster itself. Synthetic melanins were given to mice in their drinking water, and their urine had anti- HIV activity even when diluted up to 200 times; control urine of mice given plain water had no effect. The mice showed no toxicity from the chemical, and they ate and drank as much as the control mice during the five-day test. (Much larger doses of melanin given by injection did kill mice, however, and the researchers estimated the lethal dose for the animals at between one and ten grams per kilogram of body weight.) Comment: Although this research is preliminary and much uncertainty remains, we find it especially significant that urine concentration 200 times that needed to show anti-HIV activity could be achieved with no apparent harm to the animals (blood concentrations were not reported). Other reasons why this work deserves high-priority followup is that melanins are considered relatively innocuous, can be given orally (at least in the animal tests), are very easy to produce (the synthesis could be carried out in a high school chemistry lab), and are inexpensive. Also, since melanins work very differently than the available antivirals like AZT, combinations might be especially effective. Many questions can be raised. Melanins worked with laboratory cell lines and viruses; would they work with fresh cells and viruses from patients? What is the toxicity of these chemicals in humans? And melanins may interact with certain antibiotics or other drugs; how might this complicate their use? Yet the existing information suggests a strong possibility that melanins might have an important impact on AIDS/HIV treatment worldwide. We are concerned that this opportunity may not be realized, since under the commercial and regulatory structure of drug development in the United States it will take years before any standard drug could become available from this early research -- due to delays with patents, business negotiations, corporate restructuring, etc., as well as Federal requirements such as excessive animal tests which should not be allowed to impede progress in an emergency. Scattered reforms have been made, but no one has studied the practical operation of drug development from beginning to end, or has the authority necessary to make the changes needed to meet the AIDS emergency effectively. We suggest that community-based and other research organizations -- including institutions outside of the United States -- investigate melanins further, and proceed if justified to develop this information into a practical AIDS/HIV treatment. Chinese Medicines At the UCLA School of Medicine and Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, 57 injectable Chinese medicines were screened against HIV in laboratory-cell cultures; 10 showed activity (poster #Th.A. 237). These ten were then screened against primary HIV-1 isolates (and also against HIV-2). Using primary isolates is important because recently it has been found that tests with cells and viruses which have lived for years in laboratories -- the ones most convenient for scientists to use -- can show very different results than the same tests with cells and viruses taken recently from patients. In the first phase of testing (using cultured cells and viruses), the therapeutic index (ratio between the concentration which was effective and that which was harmful to the cells) ranged from 22 to 333. Of the ten drugs which passed the first test, the two with the greatest therapeutic index were Injection Yin Huang (333), and Injection Co. Dan Shen (174). We do not have the result of the second-phase tests. Comment: Treatments based on Chinese medicine are usually ignored in the U. S. drug-development system. The cultural bias of Western science and medicine is to isolate one or more pure chemicals which are effective, and then hopefully synthesize them -- adding years of research time when an adequate herbal treatment may already be available. Community-based research organizations could make a major and cost-effective contribution by organizing professional investigation of and advocacy for treatments which, due to cultural or commercial biases, are unlikely to get a prompt hearing otherwise. Then small phase I/II trials could obtain initial information about effectiveness in patients, using standard measurements such as T-helper counts, and p24 antigen and antibody levels. These trials could be conducted easily when the treatments being tested are already in widespread human use. AZT, Antiviral Combinations, and Resistance by Michelle Roland Most of the clinically useful information from the Sixth International Conference on AIDS concerned either fine-tuning of the use of drugs that are already approved and in standard use (e.g., AZT, alpha-interferon, and various prophylaxes for pneumocystis), or preliminary suggestions on how to use drugs that are not yet FDA-approved but are likely to become more broadly available in the coming months and years (e.g., the anti-HIV drugs ddC and ddI, and the anti-CMV drug foscarnet). Much of the remaining information was more useful to researchers, doctors who are also involved in designing clinical trials, and policy makers and activists who are trying to implement increasingly efficient and attractive ways to test potential treatments. The major focus of this article will be on information which people can use today in making treatment choices. We will also discuss some of the important information on the use of treatments and combinations of treatments which may be available in the foreseeable future. AZT: When and How Much? Much discussion concerned data already thoroughly critiqued in the past several months about when to start AZT and how much to use. The latest official recommendations suggest 600 mg per day for persons with fewer that 500 T-helper cells. Most physicians now use either 500 or 600 mg. What about AZT for people with more than 500 T-helper cells? Margaret Fischl, M. D., a leading researcher on AZT, reported that the large government-sponsored study with asymptomatic patients has not at this time found a statistically significant difference in disease progression between patients with more than 500 T-helper cells who took AZT and those who took a placebo. However she also noted that this data is inconclusive, and does not show whether or not AZT would be helpful for these people. At this time very few early studies are designed to test the effects of drugs in asymptomatic patients. Pharmaceutical companies may avoid studies in groups of people where the effect may not be big enough to earn FDA approval of their drug. But answers for these patients will become increasingly important to those who are wondering when they should start using an anti- retroviral, or prophylaxis for specific opportunistic infections. One very small study suggested that 300 mg of AZT per day may be effective. This study was designed to test the effect of combining high dose acyclovir with AZT. Only 22 patients were enrolled; approximately half took 600 mg of AZT and the others took 300 mg. Although the addition of acyclovir in half of the patients on each dose did not produce differences in tests used to assess viral activity (p24 antigen and plasma viremia), the 300 mg dose appeared as effective in lowering these measures, and perhaps even more effective in sustaining an increase in T- helper cell counts, as the 600 mg dose. This small study is far from conclusive, but it does suggest that people who have to lower their AZT dosage because of side effects or the use of other drugs which depress blood cell counts may still benefit. It also supports the growing suspicion that we have not yet found the minimum effective dose of AZT. This confusion about dosage has implications for how early tests of anti-viral drugs in humans are designed and interpreted. Currently, the standard approach is to look for what is called the "maximum tolerated dose." As we have seen with the example of AZT, this dose was quite toxic. Yet early studies continue to look for the maximum dose, and then later studies use that dose, because it is the best studied. Treatment activists have long pointed out this flaw in drug development, and have suggested using the infectious-disease approach of seeking the minimum effective dose, instead of the cancer-chemotherapy approach of maximum dose. But pharmaceutical companies have an incentive to use larger doses, because if their drug fails to show efficacy in a controlled trial, they may not get another chance to test it, and their drug will be dead; yet they can reduce the dose later if necessary to manage toxicity. AZT in Combination with Approved Drugs * Acyclovir: It has long been believed that high doses of acyclovir may increase the effectiveness of AZT. One small study reported on AZT plus high dose acyclovir; it did not show any increased anti-viral benefit from the addition of acyclovir. It is important to remember that acyclovir is still useful in treating herpes infections and often in preventing their recurrence. * Alpha Interferon: Alpha interferon is currently approved for the treatment of Kaposi's sarcoma in some people with AIDS. Some scientists and doctors believe that it might increase the effectiveness of AZT. Preliminary data from an ongoing study on the use of alpha interferon with AZT (600 mg) in patients with more than 500 T-helper cells does not yet answer this question. Unfortunately, more subjective and laboratory toxicities have occurred in the combination group than in patients on either drug alone. These side effects included fatigue, loss of appetite, nausea, elevated liver enzymes, and decreased red and white blood cell counts. However, so far the numbers of people who have withdrawn from the three parts of the study are the same (suggesting that there was no great difference in side effects severe enough to require stopping treatment), and dose modifications were required in all three parts to reach safe and comfortable doses. Therefore, if this combination is found to be effective, it may be possible to tailor doses to individual patients to manage side effects. After one year there were no significant differences in changes in T-helper cell counts between the group taking 600 mg AZT with alpha interferon, and the group taking 1200 mg of AZT alone. About 10 percent of the patients were p24 antigen positive when they entered the study and all experienced a decrease in this lab value, which may be a marker of disease progression. Although the numbers are very small (a total of only 10 patients), there appeared to be a more sustained decrease in p24 antigen levels in the combination group than in the AZT- only group. It has been difficult to complete enrollment in the study; therefore the data is incomplete and not entirely useful. [Note: readers should be careful in interpreting statements that "no statistically significant difference" has been found in an incomplete study; this does not mean no difference has been found. There may be a big difference -- but just not enough patients yet to provide statistical proof. Also, the criteria for claiming statistical significance for an incomplete study -- and terminating the study as a result -- are extremely conservative, often several times as severe as the criteria for claiming statistical significance at the end of the study; for background on this statistical quirk, see AIDS TREATMENT NEWS #81, June 16, 1989. In addition, researchers may be reluctant to give out any early information about a trial which is continuing (unless those results are so extreme that they force the trial to be stopped), because early information could cause patients to drop out of the arms which seem less effective, which could bias or otherwise damage the study.] AZT in Combination with Experimental Drugs The only information on the combination of AZT with an experimental drug that was presented at the Conference was on ddC, which works in the same way as AZT as an inhibitor of the enzyme reverse transcriptase, but is different enough that it has different side effects. The idea of combining antiretroviral treatments has three main attractions. First, combining or alternating treatments may make it possible to manage the toxic side effects of each treatment better than with a single treatment. Second, the problem of drug-resistant strains of HIV may be reduced by using more than one drug with a similar mechanism, like the nucleoside analogs AZT, ddC and ddI (more on resistance below). Third, by combining drugs that block different parts of the viral life cycle, it should be possible to limit HIV replication more completely than we have been able to accomplish with a single anti-viral drug alone. The consensus at the Conference was that drug combination (either using the drugs at the same time, or in alternation) is the wave of the future. As more antivirals become available to patients through expanded access programs and eventually through FDA approval, the questions which need to be answered today are how to use these drugs together safely and effectively. The ddC plus AZT studies presented at the Conference show us more about how complex the problem of interpreting and comparing studies has become than about how best to use these drugs together. None of the three studies used the same dose combinations, thus the different ways of combining these drugs cannot be compared across the studies. Two of the studies tested alternating the two drugs every week or month, or using each one intermittently (with a period of no treatment), one in patients who were intolerant to AZT and one in patients who were not intolerant to AZT when they entered the study. The third tested combinations of the drug used concurrently. Each study compared various dose combinations. The worst side effect of ddC is peripheral neuropathy, while the primary side effects of AZT are on the bone marrow, leading to depressed blood cell counts. So the challenge of studying combinations or alternations of these drugs is to minimize peripheral neuropathy and red and white blood cell count depression while maximizing increases in T-helper cell counts and other markers of anti-viral activity. Unfortunately, the major study showed that the most effective dose of ddC (high) was also the most toxic. This toxicity seems to be decreased by alternating AZT and ddC on a monthly rather than weekly schedule. Thus, the conclusion of the researchers who presented this data is that the optimum dosing schedule is monthly alternating high dose ddC with AZT. Although that is one conclusion which could be reached, some people may prefer to continue to look for more desirable combinations of these two drugs. It is important to note that this study used 1200 mg of AZT. In patients who were intolerant of AZT, there was more depression of blood cell counts in the monthly than weekly alternating dose group; the least blood-count toxicity was in the group that used ddC on an intermittent basis without AZT at all. The researchers who conducted this study concluded that monthly alternating low dose ddC with AZT may be an acceptable "salvage therapy" for patients who have failed AZT. Again, some people would probably rather try other combinations, including longer periods on ddC than AZT, and lower doses of AZT, before reaching a conclusion about optimum dosing of these drugs in people who are intolerant of AZT. Finally, the study which tested the use of AZT and ddC at the same time found no statistically significant differences in either safety or effectiveness between the various combinations tested -- at least in the partial data available at this time. It used lower dosages of both AZT and ddC than did the two studies discussed above. Because this study is not completed, the data did not yet provide much useful information. It will be impossible to compare this study directly with the other two because of differences in the dosages used. How can drug combinations be tested better in the future? One approach, called response-surface methodology, was developed in chemical engineering, where it is often necessary to vary the concentrations of two or more chemicals to find the specific combination which works best. In this kind of trial, a matrix of many different dosage combinations of two drugs is tested simultaneously, but very few patients are needed for each "cell" -- each specific dose combination -- perhaps only three or four patients, far too few for an arm of a standard drug trial. The reason so few are needed is that the overall pattern which emerges shows the best combination, although each individual cell may be too small to provide statistical information by itself. As far as we know, response-surface methodology has not yet been used in AIDS research, although it is being discussed. It offers the advantage of testing all reasonable dosage combinations at the same time and for about the same expense and number of patients as a standard trial which only compares a few dosage combinations. HIV Resistance to Anti-Viral Treatments Antiviral drug resistance was a significant topic at the Conference. Because one of the key enzymes involved in the replication of HIV, reverse transcriptase, is quite error prone, HIV mutates frequently. Some of the strains that are formed as a result of the mutations are resistant to antiviral drugs like AZT. AZT-resistant strains of the virus can be found in patients who have never taken AZT, but are most frequently isolated from patients who have been taking AZT for more than 6 months. AZT resistance appears to increase with the amount of time one has taken the drug, although some scientists believe that resistance may develop more slowly when antiretrovirals are started earlier in HIV infection. Fortunately, cross resistance does not seem to be a problem with the nucleoside analogs that are being tested today (AZT, ddC, ddI). Therefore, even if AZT has stopped working because viral resistance has developed, ddI or ddC should still work. The clinical importance of AZT resistance has not been proven. But some scientists believe that all future clinical trials of antiretroviral drugs should include laboratory tests of resistance. Managing the ability of HIV to mutate into resistant forms is one of the reasons that many researchers believe that combination anti-retroviral therapies will be so important. Other viruses that affect people with HIV infection also form drug resistant strains. For example, herpes viruses can become resistant to acyclovir; the good news is that they often still respond to the experimental anti-viral drug, foscarnet. Also, CMV (cytomegalovirus), which often affects the retina of the eye but can also cause problems in the colon, spleen and other organs, has been shown to develop resistance to ganciclovir, the only approved therapy for its treatment. The resistance issue is one of the crucial reasons that test tube and human trials of new antivirals for virally induced opportunistic infections are in great need of research attention and money. For More Information More information is available in the following Conference audio tapes. See "Obtaining Conference Information" in Announcements, below, for ordering information. Note that each of these sessions is recorded on two cassettes. Talk by Margaret Fischl, Thursday plenary session. Tapes #90ICA-10 and 90ICA-11. New Concepts Regarding the Use of Zidovudine (AZT). Tapes #90ICA-46 and 90ICA-47. Clinical Trials with New Antiretrovirals. Tapes #90ICA-50 and 90ICA-51. CMV and Other Viral Opportunistic Infections. Tapes #90ICA-60 and 90ICA-61. Resistance to Antiretrovirals. Tapes #90ICA-66 and 90ICA-67. In addition, information from the following abstracts was used in this article: On viral resistance: S. B. 81 through S. B. 88. Foscarnet for acyclovir-resistant herpes: Th.B. 446 and Th.B. 447 Ganciclovir resistance in CMV retinitis: F. B. 93. AZT plus alpha interferon: Th.B. 22. ddC studies: Th.B. 23, S. B. 425, S. B. 426. AZT plus acyclovir: Th.B. 24. Cryptosporidiosis: Scattered Success, Research Delays by Denny Smith Several antibiotics and antidiarrheals were among the treatments discussed at the International AIDS Conference last month for use against AIDS-related infections of Cryptosporidium parvum. Rosemary Soave, M. D., has been investigating new therapies for cryptosporidiosis at Cornell University. She presented results of her studies of diclazuril and spiramycin, as well as data on other agents under investigation. The results regarding diclazuril were approximately the same as those reported in our last update on treatment for cryptosporidiosis (see AIDS TREATMENT NEWS #95, Jan. 19, 1990). Various responses of symptom improvement and decreases in counts of the parasite's oocysts were seen using doses ranging from 200 mg to 600 mg a day, with stronger responses at the higher doses. Dr. Soave noted that serum (blood) levels of diclazuril were measurably higher in participants who had the strongest response. The drug used in these studies was hastily prepared for human consumption after a veterinary version for treating parasites in poultry, under the trade name Clinicox, was also discovered recently to be useful in some people. Ironically, the original compound formulated for chickens was apparently better absorbed than the newer "human" version. We have not heard of any ill effects in people who tried the veterinary product. Dr. Soave is eager to continue studies of diclazuril, but the manufacturer claims there are limited supplies of the drug for humans. We spoke to Mr. Bob Lagendre, spokesperson for Janssen Pharmaceutica in the U. S., who said that they are now revising the formulation to improve absorption and that within a few months the manufacturing headquarters in Belgium hopes to make available two new analogs, dubbed "clazuril" and "letrazuril." These will be studied in six new trials around the U. S. In the past, oral spiramycin did not appear to affect cryptosporidiosis significantly. But administered intravenously, spiramycin is now obtaining some good results. Of fifteen patients who completed a regimen of IV spiramycin, four experienced a complete response in symptom improvements and a decrease in cyst counts. Two of the four exhibited a complete absence of parasites in stool specimens after the treatment. Other therapies presented at the Conference included hyperimmune bovine colostrum, transfer factor, paromomycin, loperamide oxide, and two analogs of the drug somatostatin, SMS 201-995 and Vapreotide. Hyperimmune colostrum has been discussed now for several years as a potential therapy for cryptosporidiosis. The particular study presented at the Conference was authored by several Danish institutions and offered mildly positive results. Another study of colostrum was recently reported in AIDS (volume 4, number 6) by researchers at St. Vincent's Hospital in New York. A very small study of five patients produced results which warrant larger, more carefully-designed trials of colostrum. The transfer factor discussed by Dr. Soave was an extract of lymphocytes derived from infected cows. Fourteen people who received this transfer factor demonstrated both improved symptoms and decreased cyst counts. Neither hyperimmune colostrum nor transfer factor are widely accessible now to people diagnosed with cryptosporidiosis. Paromomycin, a prescription drug available under the brand name Humatin, is used for treating intestinal parasites. Park Plaza Hospital in Houston presented a 24-month chart review of 23 episodes of gastrointestinal cryptosporidiosis in 12 patients who were treated with paromomycin. All the patients showed some degree of symptom improvement after receiving the antibiotic, and in seven patients' stools the organism became undetectable. Minimal toxicity was reported. The dosing ranged from 1500 to 2000 mg daily, for a median duration of two weeks. Loperamide, marketed as an antidiarrheal under the trade name Imodium, and the investigational somatostatin analogs were discussed as attempts to control AIDS-related diarrhea, and not as a cryptosporidia treatment per se. Managing the debilitating symptoms of diarrhea and weight loss of cryptosporidiosis is a critical measure, though only a stop-gap one. Meanwhile, a truly effective treatment for eradicating this infection is urgently needed. References The Conference tape of Dr. Soave's presentation is tape #90ICA- 63. (For information on ordering Conference tapes or abstracts, see "Obtaining Conference Information," below.) The following references are to the three-volume set of abstracts of the Sixth International Conference on AIDS: Gathe, J and others. Treatment of gastrointestinal cryptosporidiosis with paromomycin. Park Plaza Hospital, Houston, Texas. Abstract #2121. Girard, PM and others. Preliminary results of Vapreotide (a new somatostatin analog) in AIDS related diarrhea. Hopitaux Bichat- C Bernard, Necker, St Antoine, Paris, France. Abstract #Th.B365. Hojlyng, N and others. Cryptosporidium diarrhoea in AIDS patients treated with hyperimmune bovine colostrum. Statens Seruminstitut, Copenhagen, Denmark. Abstract #Th.B. 521. Mallolas, J and others. Efficacy and tolerance of SMS 201-995 (a somatostatin analog) in HIV infected patients with diarrhea. Hospital Clinic, Barcelona, Spain. Abstract #Th.B. 364. Mukololo, P and others. Efficacy of loperamide oxide in HIV- related diarrhoea. University Teaching Hospital, Lusaka, Zambia. Abstract #2025. Soave, R and others. Oral diclazuril therapy for cryptosporidiosis. Cornell Medical Center, New York University and St. Luke's/Roosevelt, New York. Abstract #Th.B. 520. Announcements Michelle Roland to Write for AIDS TREATMENT NEWS Michelle Roland, well known among AIDS treatment activists in San Francisco, will contribute occasional articles to AIDS TREATMENT NEWS, starting with this issue. Ms. Roland has worked with ACT UP/San Francisco since 1987, and with its Treatment Issues committee since last year. She has worked with NIH and FDA officials on issues of drug development and regulation. She also worked as interviewer for a year and a half for the Biopsychosocial AIDS Project, University of California San Francisco, and presented a poster on this work at the 1989 AIDS conference in Montreal. Ms. Roland is currently a medical student at the University of California, Davis, and is student coordinator at the Medical Center AIDS Clinic there. She is spearheading an effort to create an AIDS curriculum for medical students -- a curriculum which could become a national model. She is also developing a computer model which might be able to replace placebo controls in certain clinical trials. Obtaining Conference Information The most important reference from the Sixth International Conference on AIDS is the three-volume set of abstracts. The set costs $50. To order a copy, call the Sixth International Conference, 415/550-0880. The papers deemed most important by the Conference organizers were given time for oral presentation. 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