[sci.med.aids] AIDS protest last night

GERRI@IBM.COM (Gerri Oppedisano) (01/25/91)

I would consider myself in support of the effort to fight AIDS, get more
public awareness, gain governmental support for AIDS research and for the
decent and fair treatment of AIDS or HIV+ patients. But I must say that
last night's protests dissappointed me. AIDS is not the only killer in this
world and NOT the only important issue for our country to focus on. I think
AIDS lobbyists or any lobbyist begin to lose credibility when they demonstrate
such a completely narrow, self centered view based on their cause. Where is
ACT UP's concern for the importance of innocent people dying in this war with
Iraq??? .. I realize cancer is an old desease, but there are still MANY dying
from it today. Where is the day to day concern and focus on cancer research
in the news? When I see a protest like the one organized last night I want to
tell these people to just get a grip on reality. Their cause is one of many,
and it's hypocritical to behave as if their's is the one of most importance..
I suspect if the war going on now continues on for years there will be less
of a complete focus on it as time passes; just like any other important
crisis.

What exactly was the AIDS supporters' protest about? What in particular was
the gripe? Perhaps I missed something.

gerri@ibm.com

flar@Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham) (01/25/91)

In article <1991Jan24.225506.18241@cs.ucla.edu>, GERRI@IBM.COM (Gerri
Oppedisano) writes:

|> I would consider myself in support of the effort to fight AIDS, get more
|> public awareness, gain governmental support for AIDS research and for the
|> decent and fair treatment of AIDS or HIV+ patients. But I must say that
|> last night's protests dissappointed me. AIDS is not the only killer in this
|> world and NOT the only important issue for our country to focus on. I think
|> AIDS lobbyists or any lobbyist begin to lose credibility when they
|> demonstrate
|> such a completely narrow, self centered view based on their cause.
|> Where is

While there are many other concerns in our world these days, there are
also many aspects of AIDS which make it "special" and therefore an
urgent crisis.

It is an infectious disease(?) with an incredible long asymptomatic
incubancy period and no known cure, vaccine, or reliable long-term
treatment that is currently very widespread (more among certain groups
than others).

While many other diseases share one or more of these aspects, how
many share all of them?

There is a very serious potential for this disease to wipe out a
major portion of our population in the not so distant future on a
scale wider than any currently known disease or war.

That is why ACT-UP does what they do.

|> Where is
|> ACT UP's concern for the importance of innocent people dying in this
|> war with
|> Iraq???

Where is everyone elses concern for the *innocent* people dying of AIDS?
Also, I believe that they were calling for an end to the war, so they did
show some concern for those dying.  And, while broadcasting news of the
war to the standard citizen serves little purpose beyond giving us a front
seat in the war so that we can gawk, broadcasting news of AIDS gives the
standard citizen useful information that he needs to fight a war that is
going on in his own backyard in which he may be one of the soldiers.  AIDS
awareness is directly important to the population.  War gawking is only
indirectly important (it raises his awareness of foreign policy and world
events and maybe provides information that is important if he has family
overseas or is planning to travel to certain areas in the near future).

|>  .. I realize cancer is an old desease, but there are still MANY dying
|> from it today. Where is the day to day concern and focus on cancer research
|> in the news?

But as far as I'm aware, cancer is not infectious and many forms of cancer
are treatable with varying degrees of success.

Also, I've always seen cancer as an undesireable natural enemy.  There are
certain aspects of our environment which can accelerate the formation of
cancerous cells, but the older you get, the more likely that the cumulative
chance of a cell in your body going cancerous will eventually catch up to
you.  It is like a "design flaw" in our biology that we are still trying
to correct rather than an external enemy which we need to protect against.

Does anybody care to comment on that viewpoint?

|> When I see a protest like the one organized last night I want to
|> tell these people to just get a grip on reality. Their cause is one of many,
|> and it's hypocritical to behave as if their's is the one of most
|> importance..

But, it could very well mean a complete and utter change in the human
race in very short order if we don't fight it now.  It should not be
taken lightly.  People keep getting complacent about the state of the
AIDS threat (something that our own "Wounded Bird" was recently lamenting).
Also, it is everyone's cause, not just the group that demonstrated.

|> I suspect if the war going on now continues on for years there will be less
|> of a complete focus on it as time passes; just like any other important
|> crisis.

But, as the threat from AIDS continues to grow (people are still being
infected in very large numbers even now that we are aware of it), the
threat of war will peak, die down and eventually fade (when it ends which
is hopefully very soon).  AIDS is just growing and has the potential to
grow exponentially which means that right now is the time to focus on
it, not later.

Here is a question:  How have the infection rates changed since AIDS was
first discovered?  Is there an exponential curve?  I realize that failure
to report infections skews the statistics drastically, but is there any
recognizeable trend?

|> What exactly was the AIDS supporters' protest about? What in particular was
|> the gripe? Perhaps I missed something.

Basically, something close to what I've said above (although someone from
ACT-UP may know more).  It was actually a simultaneous peace protest and
AIDS awareness demonstration (I believe they chanted "Fight AIDS, not Arabs").

Whether or not the media is dwelling on the war at this time is probably
personal opinion, but actually I agree that it did seem a bit premature
to be complaining about the recent war monopoly in the media which was
already dying down within a few days after it started.

					...jim

th1h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Timothy J. Haggerty) (01/26/91)

Protest and anger are not measured, rational responses; nor does one
movement of the body politic take precedence over another.I guess what
bothers me the most about this kind of reaction to protest is that they
always seem to start with some sort of disclaimer e.g.: "that while I'm
in favor of increased AIDS funding, I would prefer that people on the
way to early deaths would just be a little more quiet and polite about
it . . .is that too much to ask?" YOU BET IT IS.  ACT UP has always
pissed people off--that's their job, for Christ's sake!   Why is it
hypocritical to behave as if AIDS issues, to those intimately involved,
are the issue of most importance?  Are HIV infected people supposed to
patiently queue up until their issue reaches the top of some (imagined)
national agenda?  Does the war in the Gulf effect my life as
immediately?  Can I change that world?  Unfortunately, AIDS protesters
have a grip on a reality that is all too real.  To claim that issues, as
they pass through time, will inevitably lose importance is a banal
justification for someone who needs to be amused by current events
rather then compelled into action by them.  What really seems to annoy
people ACT UP is its insistance upon confrontation rather then
entertainment.  Street theatre was fun; political demands are boring.   
 

dgreen@uunet.UU.NET (01/30/91)

lever!max@uunet.UU.NET (Max J. Rochlin) writes:

|> > What exactly was the AIDS supporters' protest about? What in particular was
|> > the gripe? Perhaps I missed something.
|> 
|> The gripe is that the US has spent more in the past _week_ for Desert Storm
|> than its spend in the past _decade_ for AIDS research.  
|> 
|> It's pretty appalling to think that the United States has all this money for
|> war and we have to squeeze Congress for every red cent for AIDS research.

Indeed.  About twice as many Americans have died from AIDS as died
in the Vietnam War.  The contagion aspect makes AIDS more insidious
than cancer: estimates of 235,000 more dead by 1993 illustrates the
exponential expansion of the AIDS epidemic.  Over 1 million Americans
are presently infected.  Half are likely to be dead by 1995.  We could
easily compare these numbers with those of a nuclear attack on a major
city.  Unfortunately, the slowness of the disease has numbed us to its
overall consequences; war makes for much more interesting TV news.

I happen to support US involvement in the Iraqi war, precisely because
I worry about Hussien's genocidal potential.  I also strongly support
ACT-UP.  One can equate the magnitude of the problems; clearly they
are inequitably funded.  Thanks for making a stink!  Keep it up.

Play safe,
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