[net.micro] Picking a Data Base Package & Computer System

mark@mrstve.UUCP (Mark Smith) (12/13/85)

     I am looking for a multiuser or networked system which can:

		  o Run very fast!!
		  o Handle databases with over 5000 records
		    with little to no change in acces time.
                  o Able to communicate with AT&T 3B2 with
		    little to no conversion.

     One particular system I have been looking at is the IBM AT.  I also
am looking at the Tandy 1200HD which is rumored to between the IBM XT and
the IBM AT speed-wise.  If this is true let me know, because the Tandy is
about 2/3 the cost of the IBM computers.

     Some software packages I have been looking at are:

		  o dBASEIII - I am currently trying to use dBASEIII on the
			       AT&T UnixPC-7300, but dBASEIII is so full of
			       bugs it can't get the job done.  I have also
			       used dBASEIII on the TANDY (PC version) and
			       have had excellent results.  Anybody have any
			       recommendations?

                  o KMAN2 - KMAN is OK if you have the entire package, but does
			    it stand up to other DBMS packages you can get for
			    half the price.  KMAN seems to cost the most, after
			    you've bought 5 or 6 different supplements.

                  o Cornerstone - This is the new one from INFOCOM.  I have only
				  heard good reviews about this package.  I just
				  sent away for the demo disk, but I would be
				  interested to know if anyone has used this
				  package yet.  How does it stack up to the
				  other DBMS packages available?

                  o PC/Focus - This by far is the most impressive software
			       packages I've seen yet.  Purdue University had
			       this demonstrated in their proto-typing class.
			       Has anybody used this in the workplace?  If so
			       how is it?

     With the set-up that will be used, there will be only 1 (maybe 2) terminals
connected to the computer.  Does this constitute a need for a multiuser system?

     Will a MULTILink environment serve the same purpose?

     If so, will access time be cut down by slicing memory and can a single
dbf file be accessed by multiple users in this environment?

     Are there any differences in terminals such as the PC-Shadow, KT-7/PC,
Televideo, etc.  The prices seem to vary greatly.  The PC-Shadow seems to be
the lowest priced (under $200 each).  What is a good compatible terminal to
use with the IBM AT or Tandy?

     Any answers to these questions will be greatly appreciated...



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Ghenis.pasa@xerox.arpa (12/17/85)

A) It seems like you are trying to mix MS-DOS and UN*X systems. Wouldn't
it be easier to keep it consistent? By the way, there are excellent
multi-user DB packages and development environments out there for UN*X
(they are not cheap, though) that you could use on your 7300 and 3B2.
You can also run Xenix on an AT, 6300+ or Tandy 6000. 

B) If you want to go multi-user you cannot use a single-user DBMS (or
has Cornerstone come out with a multi-user version?)

C) Multilink will work for you, but make sure your multi-user DBMS is
compatible with it. Fox-base is one such package (I haven't read any
reviews of it)

In general, if you want multi-user capabilities (as opposed to simple
resource sharing) you will have to pay $$$, but if many users must
access the database you really have no choice. Multilink is a first step
towards lowering cost for such systems, but the DBMSs such as Fox-base
are still expensive.

Good luck!

rlk@chinet.UUCP (Richard L. Klappal) (12/17/85)

Personally I would try to go with a UN*X machine and either
INFORMIX or UNIFY as the data base.  Both of them are available
as UN*X or MS-DOS data base managers, and both have decent C
interface packages (I have never seen a DBM that will do what I
want without custom subroutines).

Choosing the UN*X hardware will simplify data transfer with the
3B?, but only if the transfer is in ASCII.  --- No internal DB
format. 


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vch@rruxo.UUCP (Kerro Panille) (12/21/85)

>     I am looking for a multiuser or networked system which can:
>
>		  o Run very fast!!
>		  o Handle databases with over 5000 records
>		    with little to no change in acces time.
>                  o Able to communicate with AT&T 3B2 with
>		    little to no conversion.
>
>     One particular system I have been looking at is the IBM AT.  I also
>am looking at the Tandy 1200HD which is rumored to between the IBM XT and
...
>     Some software packages I have been looking at are:
...
>                  o PC/Focus - This by far is the most impressive software
>			       packages I've seen yet.  Purdue University had
>			       this demonstrated in their proto-typing class.
>			       Has anybody used this in the workplace?  If so
>			       how is it?
I have had more experience with PC/FOCUS than I care to admit. I found it
powerful, yet it didn't live up to the billing that Information Builders,Inc
give it. (IBI wrote PC/FOCUS as well as it's companion for IBM mainframes,
FOCUS) It is badly documented, technical questions are not answered by IBI
at all - they don't even know their own product, ie. you get conflicting
answers if you call more than once. Basically, they say it can do something
that sounds great, but when you try it, you find out that it can only 
perform under VERY specific conditions. Hardly useful. Also, it's incredibly
slow. At the price of $1500.00, it is NOT WORTH IT. At $200.00 it might be.

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rjd@faron.UUCP (Robert DeBenedictis) (01/03/86)

I am also looking for a powerful database program and computer system.  The
computer will probably end up being an IBM AT.  We are looking for a stable
and reliable development system and good runtime performance.  The
application will have to handle in the tens of thousands of records.  

I have used dBase II and looked at Dataflex.  Here are some questions I have:

	-  How does dBase III differ from II?
	-  Do programs such as Dataflex or dBase take advantage of
	   additional resources of the AT?
	-  How well does Dataflex work?
	-  Are there other programs out there with similar funcionality at
	   lower cost (I think dataflex costs > $1000).
	-  Do "compiled" applications offer considerably better performance?
	-  What does "multi-user" mean in Dataflex?  (Multiple terminals on
	   a single CPU or multi-CPU's with shared disk or something else?)

From what I have seen of Dataflex, it seems that it would suit my current
needs; however, it would be nice to have the potential to move to a
multiuser system in the future without scrapping the entire application.  It
would also be nice to have some potential for interfacing some of the dbms
routines with a high level language.  

Anyone have any recommendations of systems they have found to be reliable?
How about other machine recommendations?  Anyone used Omnis III on networked
Macs?  AT&T 7300?  

Note:  I haven't been reading this group for very long, so if this issue has
been addressed recently, I would appreciate just a mailed response or
perhaps a pointer to a good magazine article.  Thanks.