dick@slvblc.UUCP (Dick Flanagan) (03/19/88)
In article <5551@swan.ulowell.edu> boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu (SoftXc Coordinator) writes: > Since another discussion has broken out of the "Do we need a moderator" > battle about the creation of a discussion group about binaries posted to > comp.binaries.ibm.pc, I will tally the votes for the creation of the > newsgroup [comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d]. . . . Isn't it a bit premature to be voting on the creation of a *.d newsgroup when the jury is still out on whether comp.binaries.ibm.pc is even going to be moderated in the first place? Personally, I feel very strongly that comp.binaries.ibm.pc SHOULD be moderated (Rahul, where are you?) and that a comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d newsgroup SHOULD be created. I'm just wondering if perhaps we don't have horse-and-cart problem here. (No follow-ups to comp.binaries.ibm.pc, please) Dick -- Dick Flanagan, W6OLD GEnie: FLANAGAN UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucscc!slvblc!dick Voice: +1 408 336 3481 Internet: slvblc!dick@ucscc.UCSC.EDU LORAN: N037 04.7 W122 04.6 USPO: PO Box 155, Ben Lomond, CA 95005
boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu (SoftXc Coordinator) (03/19/88)
Since another discussion has broken out of the "Do we need a moderator"
battle about the creation of a discussion group about binaries posted to
comp.binaries.ibm.pc, I will tally the votes for the creation of the
newsgroup. Here are the specifics:
Name of group: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
Purpose: To create an unmoderated forum for discussion about
binaries posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc, hopefully
relieving traffic through comp.sys.ibm.pc, which will be
maintained for discussions on the technical aspects of IBM
systems.
I will accept votes via e-mail until April 18. Remember: only votes received
by e-mail will count towards the total. Votes posted to the groups are
ignored. There must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes for the
group to be created.
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Brian O'Neill University of Lowell
boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu - boneill@hawk.UUCP ...!ulowell!hawk!boneill
MS-DOS Software Exchange Coordinator - E-mail for detailsjkg@gatech.edu (Jim Greenlee) (03/19/88)
In article <5551@swan.ulowell.edu> boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu (SoftXc Coordinator) writes: >I will accept votes via e-mail until April 18. Remember: only votes received >by e-mail will count towards the total. Votes posted to the groups are >ignored. There must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes for the >group to be created. Just a slight clarification - the "official rules" (Rules? We don't need no steenkin' rules! :-) state that at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes must be tallied _within a 30 day period_ (hence the cut-off date of April 18th). So many people seem to be ignorant as to the procedure for creating a news group that I just thought I'd point this out (What? You don't read the news.* groups? For shame! :-). Brian is completely correct about the voting requirements. E-mail votes are the only ones that count, so please let's not clutter this discussion any more than necessary. We thank you for your support. Jim Greenlee -- The Shadow...!{decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,linus,rutgers}!gatech!jkg Jryy, abj lbh'ir tbar naq qbar vg! Whfg unq gb xrrc svqqyvat jvgu vg hagvy lbh oebxr vg, qvqa'g lbh?!
merlin@hqda-ai.UUCP (David S. Hayes) (03/20/88)
In article <5551@swan.ulowell.edu>, boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu (SoftXc Coordinator) writes: > comp.binaries.ibm.pc, I will tally the votes for the creation of the > newsgroup. Here are the specifics: A nice gesture, but we should not be voting yet. The steps for creating a new group are: 1. Someone proposes a new group. (done) 2. Some discussion ensues. 3. A formal vote is proposed, and votes counted. We (as well as most other groups) seem to keep skipping step 2. This is important. The discussion is where the rest of us get to suggest improvements to the original proposal. Let's take another week or two, to be sure that we get the best possible proposal. -- David S. Hayes, The Merlin of Avalon PhoneNet: (202) 694-6900 UUCP: *!uunet!cos!hqda-ai!merlin ARPA: ai01@hios-pent.arpa
merlin@hqda-ai.UUCP (David S. Hayes) (03/20/88)
In article <5551@swan.ulowell.edu>, Brian O'Neill writes: > Name of group: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d > Purpose: To create an unmoderated forum for discussion about > binaries posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc, hopefully > relieving traffic through comp.sys.ibm.pc, which will be > maintained for discussions on the technical aspects of IBM > systems. Creation of yet another group will not relieve the discussion present in comp.binaries.ibm.pc. The easiest thing for people to do when reading an interesting article is to hit the 'followup' key. The followups automatically go to the same group. To send the followup to a different group (comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d) would require that people edit their newsgroup lines. Numerous experiences, in this group and many others, teaches us that people are too lazy to do this. I fear that this new group would not achieve its purpose, because it is dependent on everyone on the net actively doing something. A better solution would be to moderate comp.binaries.ibm.pc. The moderator would be flooded with followups, but could redirect them to some other group, like comp.sys.ibm.pc. -- David S. Hayes, The Merlin of Avalon PhoneNet: (202) 694-6900 UUCP: *!uunet!cos!hqda-ai!merlin ARPA: ai01@hios-pent.arpa
boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu (SoftXc Coordinator) (03/22/88)
In article <1275@hqda-ai.UUCP> merlin@hqda-ai.UUCP (David S. Hayes) writes: >In article <5551@swan.ulowell.edu>, boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu (SoftXc Coordinator) writes: >> comp.binaries.ibm.pc, I will tally the votes for the creation of the >> newsgroup. Here are the specifics: > > A nice gesture, but we should not be voting yet. The steps >for creating a new group are: > > 1. Someone proposes a new group. (done) > 2. Some discussion ensues. > 3. A formal vote is proposed, and votes counted. > >We (as well as most other groups) seem to keep skipping step 2. >This is important. The discussion is where the rest of us get to >suggest improvements to the original proposal. Let's take another >week or two, to be sure that we get the best possible proposal. >-- >David S. Hayes, The Merlin of Avalon PhoneNet: (202) 694-6900 As far as the extra two weeks, voting continues until April 18 anyways, giving the 30 days allotted by the Net-Gods. Discussion on the creation of the group was and is taking place now. People will be allowed to change their votes if they want, but are allowed only one vote. I am still collecting the votes for the creation of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d. Please, e-mail votes ONLY. Someone already posted a vote, but these DO NOT COUNT. For the specifics on the proposed newsgroup, please see the original posting, Creation of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d. ============================================================================ Brian O'Neill University of Lowell boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu - boneill@hawk.UUCP ...!ulowell!hawk!boneill MS-DOS Software Exchange Coordinator - E-mail for details
keithe@tekgvs.TEK.COM (Keith Ericson) (03/24/88)
In article <1276@hqda-ai.UUCP> merlin@hqda-ai.UUCP (David S. Hayes) writes:
< Creation of yet another group will not relieve the discussion
<present in comp.binaries.ibm.pc. The easiest thing for people to
<do when reading an interesting article is to hit the 'followup'
<key. The followups automatically go to the same group. To send
Not "automatically" but "by default"
<the followup to a different group (comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d) would
<require that people edit their newsgroup lines.
The original poster can add a Followup-To: line which will
deposit followup postings into the specified newsgroup.
Still takes work, but only by the originator, the person
posting to the binaries group.tracer@stb.UUCP (Jeff Boeing) (03/25/88)
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d ?!? Come ON, that's five subdirectories deeper than "news"! What's next, comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d.humor.misc ??? -- Jeff Boeing (which is not my real name) | ...!uunet!stb.uucp!tracer ------------------------------------------|---------------------------- "All right, you weak bosons! You're not dealing with some obscure 9th-level by-the-book paladin anymore!" -- Sick Sword
jay@splut.UUCP (Jay Maynard) (04/01/88)
From article <10101@stb.UUCP>, by tracer@stb.UUCP (Jeff Boeing): > comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d ?!? > > Come ON, that's five subdirectories deeper than "news"! > What's next, comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d.humor.misc ??? Nope. comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d.humor.misc.funny. A moderated group. Brad should have little trouble finding time to do it... -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC...>splut!< | GEnie: JAYMAYNARD CI$: 71036,1603 uucp: {uunet!nuchat,academ!uhnix1,{ihnp4,bellcore,killer}!tness1}!splut!jay Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity. The opinions herein are shared by none of my cats, much less anyone else.
smith@ncoast.UUCP (Phil Smith) (04/02/88)
> Article <1276@hqda-ai.UUCP> From: merlin@hqda-ai.UUCP (David S. Hayes) > In article <5551@swan.ulowell.edu>, Brian O'Neill writes: > > Name of group: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d > > Purpose: To create an unmoderated forum for discussion about > > binaries posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc, hopefully > > relieving traffic through comp.sys.ibm.pc, which will be > > maintained for discussions on the technical aspects of IBM > > systems. > > Creation of yet another group will not relieve the discussion > present in comp.binaries.ibm.pc. The easiest thing for people to > do when reading an interesting article is to hit the 'followup' > key. The followups automatically go to the same group. To send > the followup to a different group (comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d) would > require that people edit their newsgroup lines. Numerous > experiences, in this group and many others, teaches us that people > are too lazy to do this. > Of course they are and people should realize that others are not likely to edit the newsgroups line. The poster of an article MUST take the responsibility to include a Followups line in his/her article to force followups into the proper group. I have already offerred to take votes on the subject of the group comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d, but there seems to be considerable apathy on the net about it as I have yet to receive ANY votes. Please vote via mail with a ONE line message saying YES or NO direct longer messages to news.groups or /dev/null -- decvax!mandrill!ncoast!smith ncoast!smith@cwru.csnet (ncoast!smith%cwru.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA)
boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu (SoftXc Coordinator) (04/04/88)
Just a reminder - you have until April 18 to vote for or against the
creation of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d. I will accept any votes arriving until
midnight April 19 dated before the 18th.
Just to let you know, the current totals are:
YES: 117
NO: 19
Very, very close to the 100 needed...
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Brian O'Neill, MS-DOS Software Exchange Coordinator
ArpaNet: boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu
UUCP : {(backbones),harvard,rutgers,et. al.}!ulowell!hawk!boneillrgr@m10ux.UUCP (Duke Robillard) (04/05/88)
>Just a reminder - you have until April 18 to vote for or against the >creation of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d. I will accept any votes arriving until >midnight April 19 dated before the 18th. > >Brian O'Neill, MS-DOS Software Exchange Coordinator >ArpaNet: boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu >UUCP : {(backbones),harvard,rutgers,et. al.}!ulowell!hawk!boneill I'd like advocate the creation of this newsgroup. It seems that if you're gonna distribute programs (source or binaries) for some machine, you need a place to talk about 'em, too. Some people might say "put it in comp.sys.ibm.pc," but when I come in on Monday, I've got about 100 unread messages in there. If I spent the time necessary to weed through all that stuff, I'd never get to talk.bizarre :-) And if you've been watching comp.binaries.ibm.pc lately, you know that 80% of the stuff that's been on it really belongs in comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d. So get your act together and vote YES. -- + | Duke Robillard | AT&T Bell Labs m10ux!rgr@ihnp4.UUCP | Murray Hill, NJ {any biggy}!ihnp4!m10ux!rgr
boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu (SoftXc Coordinator) (04/20/88)
Voting is now closed for the creation of the discussion group
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d, and the final counts are:
YES 181
NO 36
So, the group will be created. A list of votes received will be posted to
news.groups.
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Brian O'Neill, MS-DOS Software Exchange Coordinator
ArpaNet: boneill@hawk.ulowell.edu
UUCP : {(backbones),harvard,rutgers,et. al.}!ulowell!hawk!boneill