clark@ttidca.TTI.COM (Ralph Clark) (04/12/88)
Now, in addition to the self-extracting ARCs, we are blessed with a
posting containing self-returning carriages, closely followed by a
much appreciated tool to delete the generously embedded carriage returns.
Who is supposed to be the audience of this group? Postings of DOS text
files, and self-extracting archives, seem to be useful only to those
who read this newsgroup while running DOS. I would have thought that the
vast majority of readers of this group are reading it under UNIX, and
would prefer to receive postings in a form that can be examined, maybe
by arc -t or arc -v, and then downloaded to a DOS machine using a comm
program that does NL -> CR/LF translation where appropriate. DOS text
files within ARCs seem to be handled correctly on UNIX by the UNIX arc -p.
Personally, I'd rather see vanilla postings, with no favors done. I have
enough standard, generally available UNIX and DOS tools to get the stuff
from a VAX to my PC Jr.
--
Ralph Clark (clark@TTI.COM)
Citicorp(+)TTI
3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (213) 452-9191, x2965
Santa Monica, CA 90405 {csun|philabs|psivax|trwrb}!ttidca!clarkW8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) (04/13/88)
clark@ttidca.TTI.COM (Ralph Clark) writes: > Now, in addition to the self-extracting ARCs, we are blessed with a > posting containing self-returning carriages, closely followed by a > much appreciated tool to delete the generously embedded carriage returns. Maybe I should have restated something I thought everyone knew: rz/sz runs on more than just Unix hosts. We have it running here on TOPS20. It's becoming somewhat universal, so much so that I keep the latest sources in PD1:<MISC.ZMODEM> instead of PD2:<UNIX-C.XYZMODEM> on SIMTEL20. I'm sure that if I had posted the sources with Unix newlines I would have received a large number of complaints from non-Unix users. Someone once said you can't please all of the people all the time. > Who is supposed to be the audience of this group? Postings of DOS text > files, and self-extracting archives, seem to be useful only to those > who read this newsgroup while running DOS. I would have thought that the > vast majority of readers of this group are reading it under UNIX, and > would prefer to receive postings in a form that can be examined, maybe > by arc -t or arc -v, and then downloaded to a DOS machine using a comm > program that does NL -> CR/LF translation where appropriate. DOS text > files within ARCs seem to be handled correctly on UNIX by the UNIX arc -p. The audience of this newsgroup is MSDOS users, many of whom do *not* have a working version of ARC on their Unix hosts. Many are not even on Unix hosts. Some use MSDOS machines running UUPC. This newsgroup also goes to BITNET, I'm told. > Personally, I'd rather see vanilla postings, with no favors done. I have > enough standard, generally available UNIX and DOS tools to get the stuff > from a VAX to my PC Jr. If you are still using ascii downloads from your host you are wasting a lot of time. Far better to download the ARCs than the individual member files. DSZ and rz/sz outperform Kermit by a wide margin. Are you saying you don't want any new Unix tools to deal with the MSDOS files posted here? I am testing a new version of SHAR which allows automatic recombining of multiple part postings. DSZ0329.ARC was the first such posting. If the parts were saved with names such as dsz.shar1, dsz.shar2, and dsz.shar3 they can be unshared with one command using the following shell script with the command unshar dsz.* #!/bin/sh # # unshar shell - unpack one or more shar files # # Copyright 1988 bill davidsen # this program may be used by any person for any purpose. for Name in $* do sed -n '/^[:#]/,$p' $Name | sh done These tools are for the readers of this newsgroup. The new SHAR will be posted when the author, Bill Davidsen, feels it has been fully tested. --Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS archives at SIMTEL20.ARPA Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uunet,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz
silvert@dalcs.UUCP (Bill Silvert) (04/14/88)
In article <KPETERSEN.12390032892.BABYL@SIMTEL20.ARPA> W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) writes: >If you are still using ascii downloads from your host you are wasting >a lot of time. Far better to download the ARCs than the individual >member files. DSZ and rz/sz outperform Kermit by a wide margin. Keith misses the point of the posting to which he is replying. Many of us choose to examine files on none-MS-DOS machines, regardless of whether these are Unix systems or not. For example, I normally extract the documentation and print it on the good printer at work rather than on the small printers attached to the MS-DOS machines I use. I can also delete any uninteresting files (such as unwanted source code) before downloading to micros. This in no way prevents me from using x/y/zmodem for the next step of the transfer. The use of non-standard packaging methods is creating a lot of headaches for many users. One obvious problem is that programs that cannot be extracted on a mainframe cannot be inspected for Trojans. Another is that sysop's (such as myself) cannot easily see what is being posted. Until now I've normally extracted arc files on an Atari ST, which easily emulates the PC, but the extraction process is a lot faster and more efficient if I don't have to do it DOS emulation mode -- loosing that facility is a pain. By the way, has anyone in this group ever considered the Dumas encoding package? Developed for the ST, it is in vanilla C and runs on anything -- I use it on the ST and several Unix engines. It is fully compatible with the old style encode used in this group, but far more robust and it doesn't require combining files in the editor to decode multiple part postings. I have the source code (although a new version is due out later this month), but no MS-DOS C compiler, so I can't post it. -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division. Bedford Institute of Oceanography, Dartmouth, NS, Canada B2Y 4A2 UUCP: ...!{uunet,utai,watmath}!dalcs!biomel!bill CDN or BITNET: biomel@cs.dal.cdn
W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) (04/16/88)
It appears that this group does not want to see any Unix utilities
posted, even though they were intended to assist this group in
downloading to MSDOS machines. I shall not post any future versions
of rz/sz. Chuck Forsberg will have to do that himself to the
appropriate moderated unix-sources group. It's a real pitty because
by the time they appear there they are obsolete.
--Keith Petersen
Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Uucp: {decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uunet,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdzwnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf N. Paul) (04/16/88)
In article <2835@dalcs.UUCP> bill@biomel.UUCP, biomel@cs.dal.CDN writes: > >By the way, has anyone in this group ever considered the Dumas encoding >package? Developed for the ST, it is in vanilla C and runs on anything >-- I use it on the ST and several Unix engines. It is fully compatible >with the old style encode used in this group, but far more robust and it >doesn't require combining files in the editor to decode multiple part >postings. I have the source code (although a new version is due out >later this month), but no MS-DOS C compiler, so I can't post it. >-- I am sure you would not get assassinated for posting it in source :-) How about sending it to comp.sources.misc or alt.sources, if you have too many qualms about posting it here? Then somebody else could compile it and post the binary. -- Wolf N. Paul * 3387 Sam Rayburn Run * Carrollton TX 75007 * (214) 306-9101 UUCP: ihnp4!killer!dcs!wnp ESL: 62832882 INTERNET: wnp@EESDES.DAS.NET or wnp@dcs.UUCP TLX: 910-280-0585 EES PLANO UD
pjh@mccc.UUCP (Peter J. Holsberg) (04/18/88)
In article <KPETERSEN.12390792765.BABYL@SIMTEL20.ARPA> W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) writes:
== It appears that this group does not want to see any Unix utilities
== posted, even though they were intended to assist this group in
== downloading to MSDOS machines. I shall not post any future versions
NOT TRUE!!! This is primarily a UNIX network and some (a lot?) of us
WANT to see rzsz right here!
(Sorry about posting text to this group!)feg@clyde.ATT.COM (Forrest Gehrke) (04/18/88)
In article <KPETERSEN.12390792765.BABYL@SIMTEL20.ARPA>, W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) writes: > It appears that this group does not want to see any Unix utilities > posted, even though they were intended to assist this group in > downloading to MSDOS machines. I shall not post any future versions > of rz/sz. Chuck Forsberg will have to do that himself to the > appropriate moderated unix-sources group. It's a real pitty because > by the time they appear there they are obsolete. I am sure that most of us reading this group are on Unix machines. Because a few are not, and have squawked, doesn't mean the rest of us don't want to see Unix tools which assist downloading to Msdos machines. I certainly agree with your comment about the timing when such tools appear in the Unix sources group, and would desire that you continue posting them. Of course, when this group becomes moderated, that will be up to the moderator, but I would encourage continuance of postings of these kinds of tools. Forrest Gehrke
jpederse@encad.Wichita.NCR.COM (John Pedersen) (04/23/88)
In article <KPETERSEN.12390792765.BABYL@SIMTEL20.ARPA> W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) writes: |>It appears that this group does not want to see any Unix utilities |>posted, even though they were intended to assist this group in |>downloading to MSDOS machines. I shall not post any future versions |>of rz/sz. the Thats too bad, some of us that are just beginning to get the tools necessary to do anything in this newsgroup have heard my good things about rz/sz but don't have it and are looking for it. So what unix.binaries group would that be? -- John.Pedersen@Wichita.NCR.COM NCR Engineering & Manufacturing EMC Engineering Wichita KS 316-636-8837