billwolf%hazel.cs.clemson.edu@hubcap.clemson.edu (William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 ) (03/13/90)
From ted@grebyn.com (Ted Holden): > From: William Thomas Wolfe @hubcap.clemson.edu >> That's interesting, Ted... according to the Proceedings of the >> Eighth Annual National Conference on Ada Technology (p. 140), >> STANFINS-R was completed on time and within budget, [...] > > I'm not going to call people liars over the net, Mr. Wolfe, but one of us is > misinformed and I don't think it's me. I have friends who work with > that project and they tell me it's at least 100% over budget and between > 8 and 20 months behind schedule, according to your point of view. I suggest that you directly contact the person in charge of ensuring the satisfaction of cost/scheduling constraints for STANFINS-R by its implementor, Computer Sciences Corporation: Mr. William H. Pitts Chief, Field Accounting Systems Division Department of the Army U.S. Army Information Systems Software Development Center Fort Benjamin Harrison Indianapolis, IN 46249-0901 (317) 543-6595 The source is: Proceedings of the Eighth Annual National Conference on Ada Technology, page 140, column 2, paragraph 2, last sentence. >> Regrettably for Mr. Holden, object-oriented Ada is available right >> now. Software Productivity Solutions has a product called Classic >> Ada which serves as a Smalltalk-based object-oriented preprocessor >> for Ada-language software developers. Another object-oriented approach >> along the lines of Zetalisp's Flavors (InnovAda) will soon be on the >> market as well. But Ted Holden will never let reality interfere with >> his point of view, as he has so repeatedly demonstrated. > > And you know perfectly well that Ada code thus generated would be > unmaintainable (as Ada code), Not necessarily. > ungodly slow (as if ordinary Ada wasn't), Which it isn't (neither Classic Ada nor Ada itself are slow). > and against the religion. Ada, unlike research languages, is subject to systematic, controlled revision in accordance with the 10-year revision cycle associated with ISO standards. Preprocessors such as Classic Ada are designed to meet immediate requirements for which the 10-year revision point is too distant. Bill Wolfe, wtwolfe@hubcap.clemson.edu
xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nigel Tzeng) (03/14/90)
In article <8354@hubcap.clemson.edu>, billwolf%hazel.cs.clemson.edu@hubcap.clemson.edu (William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 ) writes... ^From ted@grebyn.com (Ted Holden): ^> From: William Thomas Wolfe @hubcap.clemson.edu ^>> That's interesting, Ted... according to the Proceedings of the ^>> Eighth Annual National Conference on Ada Technology (p. 140), ^>> STANFINS-R was completed on time and within budget, [...] ^> ^> I'm not going to call people liars over the net, Mr. Wolfe, but one of us is ^> misinformed and I don't think it's me. I have friends who work with ^> that project and they tell me it's at least 100% over budget and between ^> 8 and 20 months behind schedule, according to your point of view. ^ ^ I suggest that you directly contact the person in charge of ensuring ^ the satisfaction of cost/scheduling constraints for STANFINS-R by ^ its implementor, Computer Sciences Corporation: ^ ^ Mr. William H. Pitts ^ Chief, Field Accounting Systems Division ^ Department of the Army ^ U.S. Army Information Systems Software Development Center ^ Fort Benjamin Harrison ^ Indianapolis, IN 46249-0901 ^ ^ (317) 543-6595 ^ ^ The source is: Proceedings of the Eighth Annual National Conference ^ on Ada Technology, page 140, column 2, paragraph 2, last sentence. ^ ^ Bill Wolfe, wtwolfe@hubcap.clemson.edu Gee Bill...this isn't meant as a flame but you don't seriously believe everything you read do you? Especially from SW-Eng conferences. I would bet that the grunt programmers on a project know the real scoop...I've heard some mighty, ah-hem, interesting things at these conferences that were not exactly true. These "Everthing went Perfect" reports should be taken with a grain of salt...I can't think of anything more humorous than hearing things about projects that you know isn't true...Of course this has never happened to me ;-). NT Nothing I said in this post was said by me...trust me... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A| Nigel Tzeng xrtnt@csdr.gsfc.nasa.gov // m| STX Inc. xrtnt@csdr.span.nasa.gov // i| \\ // g| Standard Disclaimer Applies: The opinions expressed are my own. \X/ a| | "Hmmmm." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------