chris@groucho (12/12/90)
I haven't ordered anything from the Adobe ps-file-server in a while, but when I've tried during the past week or so, I get "Host adobe.com unknown". Do I have the wrong address? As far as I know, our nameserver is OK; it can find other addresses with relative ease... The address I have for the server is ps-file-server@adobe.com. Sorry to be dumb, but it's been one of those days... Oh, by the way, I've tried this on three different connections U of Idaho has to the internet, and all of them do the same thing... Thanks, Paul ----------- Paul Kearns, Support Technician Ag Computing Services agcomp2@idui1.csrv.uidaho.edu University of Idaho ----------- Disclaimer??? I don't even know her!!!!
alo@kampi.hut.fi (Antti Louko) (12/12/90)
In article <1990Dec12.022137.25202@groucho> agcomp2@idui1.csrv.uidaho.edu (Paul Kearns) writes: >I haven't ordered anything from the Adobe ps-file-server in a while, but when >I've tried during the past week or so, I get "Host adobe.com unknown". Do I >... Adobe should cooperate with some friendly Internet-connected site which could put all current and new files in Adobe file server under anonymous ftp. After this also all non-Internet sites could get files from there because there are ftp-mail gateways in Internet. What do you say, Adobe??? Antti Louko (alo@hut.fi) Helsinki University of Technology Computing Centre tel. work +358 0 4514314 telefax +358 0 464788
jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski) (12/13/90)
In article <1990Dec12.110241.20350@santra.uucp> alo@kampi.hut.fi (Antti Louko) wrote: > > Adobe should cooperate with some friendly Internet-connected site > which could put all current and new files in Adobe file server under > anonymous ftp. I *very* much hope this happens. I never make use of the Adobe server because I despise mail servers. Using GNU Emacs and ange-ftp.el I can run dired on remote ftpable directories, and read things at my leisure without having to for the stuff to be sent to me. -- Jamie
izumi@fugitive.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) (12/13/90)
In article <JWZ.90Dec12105404@sunvalleymall.lucid.com> jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski) writes: >In article <1990Dec12.110241.20350@santra.uucp> alo@kampi.hut.fi (Antti Louko) >wrote: >> >> Adobe should cooperate with some friendly Internet-connected site >> which could put all current and new files in Adobe file server under >> anonymous ftp. > >I *very* much hope this happens. I never make use of the Adobe server because I also would like to see this happen. Meanwhile, try the address: adobe!ps-file-server@decwrl.dec.com I've used this address yesterday/today and got a few files fine. Response time was less than 8 hours for a 100k file. Yes, the server is working fine. Izumi Ohzawa, izumi@violet.berkeley.edu
tj@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Terry Jones) (12/13/90)
1) Yes I think it should be an ftp site 2) But yes it is working. This week I sent an index request and it came to me OK. I used adobe.com from way up here in Canada.
woody@chinacat.Unicom.COM (Woody Baker @ Eagle Signal) (12/14/90)
In article <JWZ.90Dec12105404@sunvalleymall.lucid.com>, jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski) writes: > In article <1990Dec12.110241.20350@santra.uucp> alo@kampi.hut.fi (Antti Louko) > wrote: > > > > Adobe should cooperate with some friendly Internet-connected site > > which could put all current and new files in Adobe file server under > > anonymous ftp. > > I *very* much hope this happens. I never make use of the Adobe server because > I despise mail servers. Using GNU Emacs and ange-ftp.el I can run dired on Internet access costs to much for most folks. My node does not have it, it would cost $15,000.00 per year for internet access and FTP. Probably more people are in that boat than have FTP access. The mail server is more general, *everyone* can get at a mail server. If you want to be an anti-mail server person, fine, but the mail server should stay. If you choose not to use it, it is your loss. Cheers Woody
tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) (12/14/90)
Don't forget there are THREE different options for distributing files on demand: 1. Mail based archive server (MBAS) 2. Anonymous FTP 3. Anonymous UUCP These are not mutually exclusive! A properly configured site can offer all of them, or any subset. The big argument for anonymous FTP over MBAS is that it relieves intermediate sites of the burden of routing and carrying all that traffic. But the problem is that it leaves UUCP-only sites out in the cold. Well, that's where anonymous UUCP comes in. I ain't gonna be the one to do it, but it would be a big blessing if someone who administers a big archive site would promulgate a document telling how to set up a dual FTP-UUCP archive. -- 'The Nazis have no sense of humor, so why -| Tom Neff should they want television?' -- Phil Dick |- tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM
izumi@fugitive.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) (12/14/90)
In article <1745@chinacat.Unicom.COM> woody@chinacat.Unicom.COM (Woody Baker @ Eagle Signal) writes: [about FTP archive for ps-file-server@adobe.com] >Internet access costs to much for most folks. My node does not have it, >it would cost $15,000.00 per year for internet access and FTP. Probably >more people are in that boat than have FTP access. The mail server is >more general, *everyone* can get at a mail server. I think the problem is primarily legal rather than cost. Adobe can certainly find plenty of FTP sites that are willing to maintain the archive for them with no cost to them. And, the FTP sites and mail server do not have to be mutually exclusive. I once inquired about uploading a few of Adobe documents to an FTP site, and an Adobe person replied that they don't (their legal department doesn't) allow this. She didn't tell me the reason for this, and I didn't ask. As for me, I don't have any gripe about the mail server. It works well for me, although I would do FTP if the stuff were available that way. Izumi Ohzawa, izumi@violet.berkeley.edu
cet1@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.E. Thompson) (12/15/90)
In article <1990Dec12.022137.25202@groucho> agcomp2@idui1.csrv.uidaho.edu (Paul Kearns) writes: >I haven't ordered anything from the Adobe ps-file-server in a while, but when >I've tried during the past week or so, I get "Host adobe.com unknown". Do I >have the wrong address? As far as I know, our nameserver is OK; it can find >other addresses with relative ease... The address I have for the server is >ps-file-server@adobe.com. Sorry to be dumb, but it's been one of those days... It is working OK through the Janet-Internet gateway (ps-file-server@com.adobe, but you all know that we write addresses backwards here, don't you?) In article <JWZ.90Dec12105404@sunvalleymall.lucid.com> jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski) writes: > {w.r.t. making Adobe fileserver contents available via Internet ftp} >I *very* much hope this happens. I never make use of the Adobe server because >I despise mail servers. Using GNU Emacs and ange-ftp.el I can run dired on >remote ftpable directories, and read things at my leisure without having to >for the stuff to be sent to me. I am sure that many people would find it useful to have ftp access, but for <%deity>'s sake keep the mail server mechanism as well. Not everyone in the world has access to Internet FTP, and even when we do it may require an inordinate amount of time and effort to use. Chris Thompson JANET: cet1@uk.ac.cam.phx Internet: cet1%phx.cam.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski) (12/15/90)
In article <1745@chinacat.Unicom.COM> woody@chinacat.Unicom.COM (Woody Baker @ Eagle Signal) wrote: > > Summary: tisk, tisk ... > Internet access costs to much for most folks. My node does not have it, > it would cost $15,000.00 per year for internet access and FTP. Probably > more people are in that boat than have FTP access. The mail server is > more general, *everyone* can get at a mail server. First of all, you're way wrong about the cost of inet access, it's not that high. Second, I didn't say anything about the mail server going away; just that those of us with real network connections shouldn't have to stuff elephants through needle-eyes using bass ackwards technology like mail servers. Third, it doesn't need to be Adobe running the FTP site; I'm sure they could find someone willing to do it for free. Fourth, even if it was Adobe, and the only way to get at the stuff was through FTP, there are numerous sites running mail servers which will do FTPs for you and mail you the results. > Summary: tisk, tisk Screw you, Woody. -- Jamie
rcd@ico.isc.com (Dick Dunn) (12/18/90)
woody@chinacat.Unicom.COM (Woody Baker @ Eagle Signal) writes in favor of the mail-based file server... > ...The mail server is > more general, *everyone* can get at a mail server... It's not that easy. It depends on the indulgence of the sites along the mail path from the server to your machine. Many sites have limits which prevent sending large files via mail--common limits are 1000 lines and 100 Kb; I know of a major Internet site with a 50 Kb limit. The reason for these limits is that it doesn't make sense to transfer large files with a store-and-forward mechanism when you can establish an end-to-end connec- tion. Files available from the Adobe file server have numerous hacks to get around problems of mailing large files--split into pieces, compress, uuencode...and the server also has to do some load-limiting because of the low bandwidth of mail pathways. The mail-based server is useful, particularly for the little guys, but there really ought to be a way to ftp the stuff too. -- Dick Dunn rcd@ico.isc.com -or- ico!rcd Boulder, CO (303)449-2870 ...Mr. Natural says, "Use the right tool for the job."